Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I have. And it's still not his most intellectual or complex score. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It is. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thor, you've said yourself many times that you have no deep technical knowledge of music. You're out of your depth on those matters, and the thought that the score is eminently intellectual on a dramatic level falls flat as well. You made a questionable claim, and it's been questioned. Perhaps just be wary of making sweeping statements in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Thor, you've said yourself many times that you have no deep technical knowledge of music. You're out of your depth on those matters, and the thought that the score is eminently intellectual on a dramatic level falls flat as well. So then you have no frame of reference here Thor, you're like a child who wonders in the middle of movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I thought about quoting that. Of course while I do disagree, I'm only giving Thor a hard time since he's such an interesting specimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thor's entire online persona is sweeping generalizations. It's not "I feel a lot of thought goes into film score albums and I can't related to the desire to own the music that isn't on them", it's "ALL ALBUMS ARE SUPERIOR TO C&C EXPANSIONS, AND LABELS ARE CRAZY FOR WORKING ON THEM INSTEAD OF SCORES THAT AREN'T RELEASED AT ALL!" A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 You've noticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 22 minutes ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Thor, you've said yourself many times that you have no deep technical knowledge of music. You're out of your depth on those matters, and the thought that the score is eminently intellectual on a dramatic level falls flat as well. You made a questionable claim, and it's been questioned. Perhaps just be wary of making sweeping statements in the future? No, you are the one who has made a questionable claim, i.e. to say that IMAGES is not very intellectual which is ludicrous and factually wrong. I REALLY also want to take on the guy who used the word 'simpler' in comparing JAWS to the other titles of the poll, but that wasn't you, if memory serves. My main concern (for both JAWS and IMAGES, really, but especially IMAGES) is the score's complexity in relation to the story. I'm just waiting for an opportunity to go in-depth about that, which I DO know something about. Let me know when you're ready to be specific. Perhaps better suited for an IMAGES thread. 15 minutes ago, Jay said: Thor's entire online persona is sweeping generalizations. It's not "I feel a lot of thought goes into film score albums and I don't like there's so much discussion about the music that isn't on them", it's "ALL ALBUMS ARE SUPERIOR TO C&C EXPANSIONS, AND LABELS ARE CRAZY FOR WORKING ON THEM INSTEAD OF SCORES THAT AREN'T RELEASED AT ALL!" I stand by all of that, and I believe I've gone in-depth about WHY I think so on multiple occasions, unlike the opponents who have been more concerned with personal attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Go ahead and be specific right now. What's stopping you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Go ahead and be specific right now. What's stopping you? First, because this is not a thread about IMAGES. I couldn't find any in the search engine. Do you know of one we could ressurect, Jay? Or should we start a new one? Second, you were the one who claimed IMAGES was not 'intellectual' (to which I responded it most certainly was), so custom dictates that you should be the first to explain your views. But if you insist, I'll go first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just be forewarned, it's not a discussion that interests me (as very few incarnations of the "this is more x than that" discussion do), so I won't be joining in, actually. I don't particularly feel I need to defend my posturing as this is JWFan and not a bleedin' thesis board, but go right ahead with it yourself if you need. Also, you've used, intentionally or not, the classic tactic of misunderstanding to start an argument. I never said Images isn't intellectual. But it's not Williams' most intellectual or complex score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 13 minutes ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Also, you've used, intentionally or not, the classic tactic of misunderstanding to start an argument. I never said Images isn't intellectual. But it's not Williams' most intellectual or complex score. Fair enough. I still disagree. You were the one who said I was all about sweeping statements, so I thought maybe a more detailed, to-the-point discussion would be more up your alley. I'll wait untill I've heard from Jay regarding a former IMAGES thread, and post some thoughts there if I have the energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just post whatever you want to say here! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 JP. On 2016-12-17 at 2:23 PM, Jay said: Indeed. When I saw the thread title, I assumed it was asking to compare Jaws to JP (so the first score to each franchise). But if the poll includes the second JP score, why not the second Jaws score too? Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yes, to come back to the question, I think I prefer these two pretty equally. Jaws might very slightly edge out in front due to its presence in my mind as a balmy summer night score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Jurassic Park is the more memorable and impactful score both in the film and as an OST but Lost World is the one I return to again and again because it is more interesting to explore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 My goal with this thread was to establish the particulars of the crime that is the current status of JW fandom. More people prefer Jurassic Park to Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: I have. And it's still not his most intellectual or complex score. Sorry. Wrong, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Never been a fan of Jaws, so it's between JP and TLW for me. That's a tough choice. JP has the more iconic moments, but as has been said previously, TLW has more elements to discover and has a different dramatic focus. I want both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 18 hours ago, Richard said: Wrong, as usual. Oh, that must have really stung for you to reprise it vengefully here. Sad, dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 To me this is like deciding whether I like my left leg or right leg better. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Oh, that must have really stung for you to reprise it vengefully here. Sad, dear. I'm merely treating you as you treated me. I thought you wanted it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I take it you're not a fan of The McLaughlin Group, Saturday Night Live, or Watchmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Thor said: You were the one who said I was all about sweeping statements, so I thought maybe a more detailed, to-the-point discussion would be more up your alley. I'll wait untill I've heard from Jay regarding a former IMAGES thread, and post some thoughts there if I have the energy. On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Jay said: Just post whatever you want to say here! Did this discussion ever take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I bet a score such as Raiders is way more complex than Images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Quintus said: I bet a score such as Raiders is way more complex than Images. More notes to play, unquestionably. But it stops there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 On 17-12-2016 at 5:28 AM, Disco Stu said: Jaws and it's not close. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 On 21/12/2016 at 8:21 AM, TheGreyPilgrim said: I take it you're not a fan of The McLaughlin Group, Saturday Night Live, or Watchmen? The who? The what? If that was a SNL quote, then I take back my remark, and one kadam to honour the Hebrew God, whose ark this is. While we're on the subject: what, exactly, is "intellectual music"? I'm not a musicologist, nor a music critic. I can read music, but as long as it's in the bass clef (I sing bass). For me, music bypasses my brain, and appeals directly to my heart. T'was ever thus. Does this mean that, for instance, THE BLUE DANUBE, with its pretty tune, and 3/4 time signature is "non-intellectual music"? Is TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS any more "intellectual" than DON'T YOU WANT ME? What makes IMAGES, or CE3K more intellectual (if indeed, they are) than JAWS? I'd welcome JWfaners' thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 That was the whole point-of-departure for the earlier discussion -- there are any number of ways to define 'intellectual music' (or 'complexity', to be more precise), in sound, application, structure, you name it. One needs to decide on a common parameter first, in order to have any kind of meaningful exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, Richard said: The who? The what? If that was a SNL quote, then I take back my remark, and one kadam to honour the Hebrew God, whose ark this is. So you return seven months later to find that the initial source of your animosity was... a missed quote? Hallelujah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 This poll is insanity. Jurassic Park beats Jaws and The Lost World gets only a few votes? Signal the retreat. Use the Osterhagen Keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 ON NO ACCOUNT ARE YOU TO USE THE OSTERHAGEN KEY!!!!! 15 hours ago, Thor said: That was the whole point-of-departure for the earlier discussion -- there are any number of ways to define 'intellectual music' (or 'complexity', to be more precise), in sound, application, structure, you name it. One needs to decide on a common parameter first, in order to have any kind of meaningful exchange. Quincy Jones (I think) once said: "all music is just twelve notes. It's either beautiful, or it ain't". Deciding in a "common parameter", will, probably, be a bit tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Not too tricky, but you'd still need to specify further. For example, if you decide on complexity in sound, are you talking density of notes? The degree of dissonance? etc. If you're talking about complexity in application, are you talking about split-second timings within scenes? The level of organic quality in relation to the sound effects? The thematic diversity and use? The more abstract, symbolical, visceral depth of music in certain scenes? etc. Just saying that one piece is more "complex" than the other without specifying further, will you get you nowhere fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Somehow this poll missed my attention. All three effective scores for their respective movies. Jaws is clearly the better film, but I would say I enjoy Jurassic Park more as a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 In Nighty's defence...how can a subjective opinion be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Especially when I'm objectively right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I cannot respect your wrong opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Search your feelings, you know it to be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 What is happening? Why does The Lost World just get so little votes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Don't know. I thought it was big around here. I like Jurassic Park, though. Early 90s Williams is dear to my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 JAWS for both. No contest. End of. Lock now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Brundlefly said: What is happening? Why does The Lost World just get so little votes?! Unimaginable bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Brundlefly said: What is happening? Why does The Lost World just get so little votes?! Because Jurassic Park and Jaws are better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 29.6.2017 at 6:10 PM, nightscape94 said: All three effective scores for their respective movies. Jaws is clearly the better film, but I would say I enjoy Jurassic Park more as a score. All this separating the score and the film only goes so far, though. The score was, after all, concieved through watching those visuals and made to conform to them. Being that these are also leitmotivic scores, than the power of the music lies in its association to the visuals: When you hear a specific variation on a specific theme, it will evoke the corresponding imagery in the film in your mind. If you like the imagery that pops up in your mind, you'll be more inclined to like the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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