Popular Post LSH 969 Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 24/04/2022 at 7:28 AM, Naïve Old Fart said: @LSH, the shot of Sarah, sitting on her bed, is lovely. Cameron should have left this whole scene in, and trimmed some of the action. I agree with everything apart from trimming the action. Sorry, but Terminator 2 is a textbook example of how to make an action film. It's the 'in-between the action' beats that makes the pacing of the film so incredible. I would have kept that Reese and Sarah dream sequence, absolutely (and the CPU reset scene in the garage). No trimming of action necessary whatsoever. Holko, Chen G. and Naïve Old Fart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Agreed, but, definitely, no smiling Arnie! LSH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Agreed, but, definitely, no smiling Arnie! Nothing wrong with this whatsoever, what are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Gordon Willis Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 @Stu, are you sure it's not Sven Nykvist? Seriously, though, which film is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: @Stu, are you sure it's not Sven Nykvist? Seriously, though, which film is that? Woody Allen’s Interiors. Considering how indebted it is to Bergman, the Nykvist comparison is spot on (and Allen would later work with Nykvist on several films). But this is during his run of films with Willis. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Thanks for that, @Stu. As much as I like Willis' overall work, I still think that his magnum opus (and I'm including the Godfather trilogy and ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN) is MANHATTAN. Every time I watch it, I want to commit interstellar perversion with Diane Keaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Let's do something different! Not a favorite shot ... The whole lighting (and production design too, BTW) in this scene (the entire scene) in Blade Runner 2049 has always baffled me. It's completely flat, dull and lifeless. Even on a basic level, the lighting is boring. To make things come alive in the original movie, Ridley Scott always used smoke, rain, shaft of lights, blinking neon, ... Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 BR 2049 is nothing less than the emperor's new clothes. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 To me, it's the color grading. You know that satisfying feeling when you peel the protective vinyl off a new device screen and it looks so clean and clear? I want to do that to that picture. Just peel away the teal. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I don't think I ever had a problem with color grading, as long if it's part of the original movie, that is, because sometimes they change the look of a movie during remastering. And while I see color grading as a creative tool (today more than ever) and part of the mood or feel the filmmaker wants to convey, the Final Cut of Blade Runner doesn't look anything like the original movie in 1982. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Out of interest, how much of BR 2049's look was manipulated, in post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 It's the typical either green or orange look (depending on the scene) they love to do for Science Fiction movies. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 If that is the case, then why are cinematographers getting nominated for films which have been altered, and, potentially, bear little resemblance to their original work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, AC1 said: I don't think I ever had a problem with color grading, as long if it's part of the original movie, that is, because sometimes they change the look of a movie during remastering. And while I see color grading as a creative tool (today more than ever) and part of the mood or feel the filmmaker wants to convey, the Final Cut of Blade Runner doesn't look anything like the original movie in 1982. Interesting, could you clarify more what you mean? Are you saying the Final Cut has been graded in a revisionist way? I haven't noticed personally, the way I have with the original Star Wars trilogy. That frame from 2049 above looks like it could've been pulled from Solo: A Star Wars Story. It is very dead looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: If that is the case, then why are cinematographers getting nominated for films which have been altered, and, potentially, bear little resemblance to their original work? Drastic or subtle, color grading is the finishing touch that the cinematographer makes (with the approval of the director). Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 A tweak here and there, I have nothing against. For the longest time, I didn't realise that the entire pre-title sequence of DAD was graded digitally. I didn't mind this as it suited the atmosphere of the sequence. There comes a time, however, when, if the image that is projected in cinemas is so far removed from what was shot, and can be altered in post, then the cinematographer becomes redundant, and no film is "photographed", anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Andy said: Interesting, could you clarify more what you mean? Are you saying the Final Cut has been graded in a revisionist way? Exactly. If you have the box set containing the original(s) and the Final Cut, you can compare all the different versions and see the difference . Scott says he always wanted to color The Final Cut this way (rather blue-ish) but back then there was no time. Alien has been newly color graded as well. Andy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, AC1 said: Drastic or subtle, color grading is the finishing touch that the cinematographer makes (with the approval of the director). Is that always the case, though? I have two assumptions I'm not 100% sure of: 1. Color grading generally happens in post-production alongside editing and is often futzed with right up until the end 2. Cinematographers are generally only on a project for the actual production/filming, then they move on, and are usually not present during post Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Andy said: I haven't noticed personally, the way I have with the original Star Wars trilogy. Personally I was vey impressed with the 4K versions I saw on Disney. They look like they were shot yesterday. 3 minutes ago, Stu said: Is that always the case, though? Unless the project is taken out of their hands, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, AC1 said: Personally I was vey impressed with the 4K versions I saw on Disney. They look like they were shot yesterday. STAR WARS especially looks very dull compared to 4k77. The OT problem he was referring to was the pink oversaturatedness of the DVDs and blus I assume. Nick1Ø66 and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, AC1 said: They look like they were shot yesterday. Isn't that the point? I don't want the OT to look as if it was shot yesterday. I want it to look as if it was shot in 1976, 1979, and 1982. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Isn't that the point? I don't want the OT to look as if it was shot yesterday. I want it to look as if it was shot in 1976, 1979, and 1982. In 1977 Star Wars looked like it was shot yesterday in 1977: A fresh, clean and undamaged print, not yet subjected to decay. Watching (checking actually) the 4K versions on Disney felt like the movies didn't age a day. That's what I meant. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Ah! I'm with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 19 hours ago, Holko said: STAR WARS especially looks very dull compared to 4k77. That's because Lucas used the 4K remaster to take the saturation out of the skies in any shot of Tatooine: appearantly, early on in the Tunisia shoot in 1976, a storm dusted up the skies and created this dull look that Lucas deemed appropriately otherworldly, but which was not maintained throughout the shoot (and certainly not in subsequent visits to Tatooine) as the storm died down and as about half of the shots were ultimately done back in the US. Such a silly man: yes, I guess it does look kinda otherworldly, but its also dull. Totally takes out whatever joy there could have been in the desert cinematography, which in some of the entries (ahem, Attack of the Clones) is one of the few good things in the movie! Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I like it, @Marian Schedenig, but... what film is this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 The Legend Of 1900 ... Marian's favorite movie. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Thanks, Alex. Now... just a quick Google, here, and...ooh er... the film with Tim Roth? It certainly has a good cast, and a great director. It also has an original song by Morricone and...Roger Waters???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 11 hours ago, AC1 said: The Legend Of 1900 ... Marian's favorite movie. Not my single favourite, but certainly an eternal member of the club of my special favourites. And stuff with gorgeous shots like a Leone film (plus some of the shoddiest CGI I've seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted August 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2022 A24, Holko and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 THE DEER HUNTER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Yes, with cinematography by Vilmos Zsigmond. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: THE DEER HUNTER? You weren't sure, Richard? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I know, I know. I was pretty sure, but not 100%. Because of the steeltown, and Vietnam, settings, it's often regarded as an bit of an ugly film, but these stills are really quite beautiful. Zsigmond's cinematography is almost as good as CE3K...almost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 There's some striking stuff in the Vietnam scenes as well, and a couple that I would have included but couldn't find on Google. But the hunting/nature scenes are clearly designed for maximum contrast to those. And I'm always game for a good split diopter shot. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Hmm. That's nice. Where's it from, Stu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 An unexpectedly arresting shot of Christopher Lloyd's vagrant burglar in Dennis the Menace (1993). Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 123 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 love that scene! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 …and of course the split diopter shot, although Google can only find a poorly chosen low quality frame where you barely notice the split: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 @Marian Schedenig, what film are there shots from? On 23/04/2018 at 7:10 PM, JoeinAR said: I personally thought automatically of Jaws when the camera shoot through the great white shark jaw in Quint's bathhouse. Its a beautifully shot sequence in that near perfect film. Now, just a damn minute! Wha'da mean "near perfect"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: @Marian Schedenig, what film are there shots from? It's from Last Night in Soho Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 This (Rachael at the piano undoing her hair) in 70mm (if you sat in the middle of the theater you had to turn your head to the left left so see Rachael) was indescribable. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 It's amazing how, just by letting her hair down, Rachel's entire character changes. 23 minutes ago, AC1 said: This in 70mm was indescribable. Agreed, but it wasn't as jaw-dropping as the opening shot of L.A., or the ball of flame reflected in the eyeball. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: It's amazing how, just by letting her hair down, Rachel's entire character changes. Agreed, but it wasn't as jaw-dropping as the opening shot of L.A., or the ball of flame reflected in the eyeball. No, but the opening shot of L.A., jaw-dropping as it was, didn't make me teary (for the reason you state with your first sentence). Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Yeah. I guess I was being a bit obvious by mentioning the opening shot. The shot of Rachel is - not in execution, but in style - very Bergman-esque. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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