Popular Post Corellian2019 484 Posted May 2, 2018 Popular Post Posted May 2, 2018 A while ago, out of sheer chance I stumbled upon the cue titles registered under GEMA for the complete score to Nixon. I have organized them here in two batches. The first is in more or less chronological order, keeping in mind that it's been ages since I've seen the whole film. The second batch is in alphabetical order because I don't remember their placement within the narrative. Regardless, for those with better memory, feel free to snoop around and organize all the titles as you see fit. Without further ado: Did I Approve TV Debate Election Results You Won't Have Nixon To Kick Around Flashback To Cuba A Day At The Races The Jones Ranch Ship Meeting Kitchen Talk Hoover's Death Talking With Lincoln China Bells China Clouds Mitchell Must Go The Bridge Firing Of Associates I'm Not A Crook Nixon To Hospital Back To Life You Have The Army If There Was Another Recording Praying Farewell Speech Air Pocket Battle Hymn-Ending Break In Revisited Cuban Meeting Dinner Scene Dinner Scene (Part 2) Drums Early Days Early Days (Part 2) Family Chat Family Chat (Part 2) Father-Daughter Scene Football To Campaigning Harold's Death Hunt I Hate Losing I Want A Divorce It's A Lie Johnson's Farewell Johnson's Speech Lewis J. Fielding M.D. (Part 2) Meeting On The Potomac Meeting On The Potomac (Part 2) Mother Appears Mother's Faithful Dog The News Nixon's Order Nixon Plays Nixon Tries To Explain Sounds Like Mother Talking About The Options They Want To Believe The President To Washington Walk To Press Meeting We Failed Him filmmusic, Josh500, crumbs and 4 others 4 3
crumbs 15,908 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I'm not overly familiar with the score but I thought it was reasonably short? That's a lot of cues.
Popular Post Josh500 1,620 Posted May 2, 2018 Popular Post Posted May 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, crumbs said: I'm not overly familiar with the score but I thought it was reasonably short? That's a lot of cues. Nixon is the second longest movie JW scored, at around 3 hours and 20 minutes! It's not his longest score, but it's far from short. 2 hours ago, Corellian2019 said: A while ago, out of sheer chance I stumbled upon the cue titles registered under GEMA for the complete score to Nixon. I have organized them here in two batches. The first is in more or less chronological order, keeping in mind that it's been ages since I've seen the whole film. The second batch is in alphabetical order because I don't remember their placement within the narrative. Regardless, for those with better memory, feel free to snoop around and organize all the titles as you see fit. Without further ado: Did I Approve TV Debate Election Results You Won't Have Nixon To Kick Around Flashback To Cuba A Day At The Races The Jones Ranch Ship Meeting Kitchen Talk Hoover's Death Talking With Lincoln China Bells China Clouds Mitchell Must Go The Bridge Firing Of Associates I'm Not A Crook Nixon To Hospital Back To Life You Have The Army If There Was Another Recording Praying Farewell Speech Air Pocket Battle Hymn-Ending Break In Revisited Cuban Meeting Dinner Scene Dinner Scene (Part 2) Drums Early Days Early Days (Part 2) Family Chat Family Chat (Part 2) Father-Daughter Scene Football To Campaigning Harold's Death Hunt I Hate Losing I Want A Divorce It's A Lie Johnson's Farewell Johnson's Speech Lewis J. Fielding M.D. (Part 2) Meeting On The Potomac Meeting On The Potomac (Part 2) Mother Appears Mother's Faithful Dog The News Nixon's Order Nixon Plays Nixon Tries To Explain Sounds Like Mother Talking About The Options They Want To Believe The President To Washington Walk To Press Meeting We Failed Him This is one score I'd like to see the Complete Edition of, along with Born on the Fourth of July and JFK. filmmusic, Yavar Moradi and Sharkissimo 3
Brundlefly 2,401 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Josh500 said: Nixon is the second longest movie JW scored, at around 3 hours and 20 minutes! It's not his longest score, but it's far from short. This is one score I'd like to see the Complete Edition of, along with Born on the Fourth of July and JFK. What is his longest? As well as everyone else. 1977 1
Popular Post Incanus 5,884 Posted May 2, 2018 Popular Post Posted May 2, 2018 3 hours ago, crumbs said: I'm not overly familiar with the score but I thought it was reasonably short? That's a lot of cues. If I remember correctly there are quite a few shorter tracks in the film following Stone's rather collage-styled editing of many sequences. The OST album contains many of the longer cues from the film and some tracks where JW has in his classic style combined cues from several scenes from all over the film. But I would love a complete score release of this one. I think it might be a minor revelation especially as there are so many little pieces here that foreshadow Williams' writing for e.g. the Star Wars Prequels. Plus I love the mix of brooding grand darkness and nostalgic Americana solidity Johnny conjures with this music. Once, Sharkissimo and crumbs 3
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: What is his longest? I believe Schindler's List is longer. 1 hour ago, Incanus said: If I remember correctly there are quite a few shorter tracks in the film following Stone's rather collage-styled editing of many sequences. The OST album contains many of the longer cues from the film and some tracks where JW has in his classic style combined cues from several scenes from all over the film. But I would love a complete score release of this one. I think it might be a minor revelation especially as there are so many little pieces here that foreshadow Williams' writing for e.g. the Star Wars Prequels. Plus I love the mix of brooding grand darkness and nostalgic Americana solidity Johnny conjures with this music. Nixon might be one of the most underrated John Williams scores! For the longest time I hardly listened to this (especially since I never saw the movie), but this score is actually fantastic and almost every track offers something surprising and unexpected. Initially, I thought this very dissonant and unlistenable, but maybe my musical tastes have matured. These days I find this endlessly fascinating.
Brundlefly 2,401 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 Nixon is 212 minutes, JFK is 206 minutes, Schindler's List is 195 minutes.
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 22 hours ago, Brundlefly said: JFK is 206 minutes That's the expanded Director's Cut. The theatrical version was 188 minutes. 22 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Nixon is 212 minutes Same here. The theatrical version was 192 minutes.
Brundlefly 2,401 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Josh500 said: That's the expanded Director's Cut. The theatrical version was 188 minutes. Same here. The theatrical version was 192 minutes. The one and only cut of both movies. The Theatrical Cut of JFK is not even available in my country.
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: The Theatrical Cut of JFK is not even available in my country. Which is which country? The theatrical cut was the version in the theatre when it came out. Duh.
Sharkissimo 1,977 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 I place Nixon within my top 5 Williams scores, so you can imagine how much I'd love a complete release.
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Sharky said: I place Nixon within my top 5 Williams scores, so you can imagine how much I'd love a complete release. Really? Which cues especially are among your favourites? And why?
Sharkissimo 1,977 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Which cues especially are among your favourites? And why? This feels like a deposition. I”ll answer later. 1977 1
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Sharky said: This feels like a deposition. I”ll answer later. You have to think about the answer? I thought this score is in your Top 5! 😂
Sharkissimo 1,977 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: You have to think about the answer? Well, I could just reply "Because it's fucking awesome. That's why" followed by this: Not much thought involved! Yavar Moradi and Gnome in Plaid 2
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, Sharky said: Well, I could just reply "Because it's fucking awesome. That's why" followed by this: Not much thought involved! My question was which cues are your favourites. But whatever. I agree the score is awesome.
Sharkissimo 1,977 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Josh500 said: My question was which cues are your favourites. But whatever. Mate, I told you 2 weeks ago to this very day! On 4/20/2018 at 11:51 PM, Sharky said: Hard to choose, but if I had to. Main Title... The White House Gate The 1960s; The Turbulent Years Growing Up in Whittier The Meeting with Mao The Miami Convention 1968 I Am That Sacrifice The Farewell Scene Are you trying to gaslight me?
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Sharky said: Mate, I told you 2 weeks ago to this very day! Oh yeah, I forgot that was you. That was in another thread, though. 1 hour ago, Sharky said: Are you trying to gaslight me? Get over yourself! I don't care enough about you to "gaslight" you. 😂 I'm just trying to get different opinions on this score, that's all.
Sharkissimo 1,977 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Josh500 said: Get over yourself! Physician heal thyself.
filmmusic 3,081 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 7:44 AM, Corellian2019 said: A while ago, out of sheer chance I stumbled upon the cue titles registered under GEMA for the complete score to Nixon. Is it possible to find the cue titles of ALWAYS? 3 of them are: Dorinda and Pete (and alternate) Among the Clouds Dorinda Survives
Corellian2019 484 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 I tried, but no luck. However, looking at BMI a while ago, I found: Pete At The Refrigerator Explosion Of Pete's Plane Dorinda's Flying Entrance Dorinda Survives filmmusic 1
Josh500 1,620 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 7 hours ago, filmmusic said: Is it possible to find the cue titles of ALWAYS? 3 of them are: Dorinda and Pete (and alternate) Among the Clouds Dorinda Survives How complete is the Always OS album anyway? How much music is missing? It can't be much.
filmmusic 3,081 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: How complete is the Always OS album anyway? How much music is missing? It can't be much. yes, I checked the film yesterday with the ost. It's missing 2 brief cues if I'm not mistaken, 1,30 minute in total. Josh500 1
Corellian2019 484 Posted August 12, 2019 Author Posted August 12, 2019 Revisited the film today (theatrical cut), and here is the chronological order of the cue titles to the best of my recollection: Break In Revisited Did I Approve TV Debate Election Results I Hate To Lose Mother's Faithful Dog Football To Campaigning Nixon Plays I Want A Divorce You Won't Have Nixon To Kick Around The Jones Ranch Johnson's Speech Flashback To Cuba A Day At The Races Talking With Lincoln Harold's Death Ship Meeting Kitchen Talk Nixon Tries To Explain Battle Hymn-Ending It's A Lie Sounds Like Mother Lewis J. Fielding M.D. (Part 2) China Bells Mitchell Must Go We Failed Him The Bridge Firing Of Associates Father-Daughter Scene The News Mother Appears Nixon To Hospital Back To Life I'm Not A Crook You Have The Army If There Was Another Recording Praying Farewell Speech Also, can anyone identify the vocal track heard during the end credits? BrotherSound 1
Incanus 5,884 Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Corellian2019 said: Also, can anyone identify the vocal track heard during the end credits? If I remember correctly, they use at least Shenandoah (below info from IMDB): SHENANDOAH Traditional; Arranged by James Erb Performed by The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square; Jerold Ottley, Conductor Courtesy of London Records by arrangement with PolyGram Film & TV Licensing
crumbs 15,908 Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 So apparently this lengthy 10+ minute scene is exclusive to the director's cut (wasn't in the theatrical at all) but it's scored almost entirely with JW music. Does anyone know if they just tracked music from elsewhere in the film or did JW score the scene before it was deleted? I've never seen the film so I have no idea if the music is from elsewhere. Also, revisiting the OST for this score and I have to say... this soundtrack is an underrated gem! I would absolutely love to hear a deluxe expansion someday (along with everything else!) Any ideas how much music is unreleased overall? Seems to be a lot... Tom and BrotherSound 2
Popular Post Tom 6,459 Posted December 30, 2021 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2021 I don't know the answer to your question, but, yes, it is underrated (and I am usually quite adverse to that term). I think the full-scale dark, tragic operatic sound represents a unique entry for Williams (though he would do the same for ROTS 9 years later). I love this score. While no one would see it, it would make for a power LTP experience. crumbs, BrotherSound and blondheim 3
crumbs 15,908 Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 It's very much a proto-ROTS, yes! The ominous dark passages, the big brassy fanfares, the elegiac adagio-esque string passages, it's remarkably varied! And what a stunning performance from the orchestra too, they recorded some very impressive scores in LA throughout the 90s. BrotherSound 1
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,655 Posted December 30, 2021 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2021 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Also, revisiting the OST for this score and I have to say... this soundtrack is an underrated gem! I would absolutely love to hear a deluxe expansion someday (along with everything else!) Any ideas how much music is unreleased overall? Seems to be a lot... Let's see: 1M3 Opening Credits [unreleased section replaced by insert] 1:00 1M6 They Want To Believe The President 1:15 1M7 It’s The Lie 3:00 3M1 Did I Approve 0:20 3M3 T.V. Debate 0:30 3M4 Election Results 1:30 3M5 I Hate Losing 2:30 4M1 Mother’s Faithful Dog 1:00 4M2 Sound Like Mother 1:00 4M4 Football In Whittier 0:15 4M4R Football To Campaigning 0:45 4M7ABC Early Days (Pat And Dick Theme) Alternate Version 2:45 4M8 I Want A Divorce 1:20 7M1 Johnson's Farewell [unreleased opening] 0:35 8M7 Talking With Lincoln 1:20 9M1 Harold’s Death 1:15 10M3 Meeting On The Potomac 2:45 12M2 Family Chat 3:30 12M5+6 It’s The Lie 3:30 13M4 Hoover’s Death And The Jones Ranch 3:45 17M2 Nixon To The Hospital 1:15 17M4 Back To Life 0:45 21M1 Praying 2:15 Tape Machine Motif 0:30 Those are estimated timings based on the sheet music. That's approximately 38 minutes of unreleased underscore. The OST is actually surprisingly short at 47 minutes! So, definitely enough score to require 2 CDs, but with plenty of leftover space, so I imagine the OST assembly should be included, especially since it's been out of print for a number of years now. There's also a couples minutes of unreleased source: 5M3/6M1 Camelot Overture [composed by Frederick Loewe] 2:00 Funeral Cortège Drums 0:15 43 minutes ago, crumbs said: It's very much a proto-ROTS, yes! The ominous dark passages, the big brassy fanfares, the elegiac adagio-esque string passages, it's remarkably varied! The beefed-up brass section used for the most dramatic cues (Trailer, Love Field, The Miami Convention) also anticipates the prequel scores: blondheim, Edmilson, MaxMovieMan and 2 others 2 3
Bayesian 1,589 Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 This score is pretty much at the top of my most-wished-for JW expansions. A great score mated to a great film. It would be a delight to see it expanded in 2022. Let’s not forget that a 27th anniversary is one of the special ones, right?? blondheim and filmmusic 2
MaxMovieMan 342 Posted April 28, 2024 Posted April 28, 2024 Does anyone have a comparison between the released score and the stuff that’s unreleased. I want to create a bootleg album for this.
Tom Guernsey 3,658 Posted May 13, 2025 Posted May 13, 2025 As I started my film music collecting and obsession with Jurassic Park, the following year saw the release of Nixon and Sabrina. At that stage of my collecting, they were something of a letdown. I wasn’t after brooding drama or gentle romantic comedy JW. Over the years I’ve come to appreciate both hugely and loved the Sabrina expanded edition, and would very much welcome the same for Nixon. Giving this a listen the other day, the question that immediately struck me was… why is track 9 called “Track 2 and the Bay of Pigs”?! The latter half of the name I get. The former… not so much.
John Takis 394 Posted May 13, 2025 Posted May 13, 2025 28 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Giving this a listen the other day, the question that immediately struck me was… why is track 9 called “Track 2 and the Bay of Pigs”?! The latter half of the name I get. The former… not so much. Track II was another name for Project FUBELT, the covert CIA operation to instigate regime change in Chile during the Nixon era. As I recall, parts of this operation are depicted and/or discussed in the film. Tom Guernsey 1
Tom Guernsey 3,658 Posted May 13, 2025 Posted May 13, 2025 11 minutes ago, John Takis said: Track II was another name for Project FUBELT, the covert CIA operation to instigate regime change in Chile during the Nixon era. As I recall, parts of this operation are depicted and/or discussed in the film. That makes sense now... in the context of a track listing it looks like a weird typo! I think I did watch Nixon once but don't really have any strong recollections of it. Feel like I should give it another look. Many thanks.
Thor 9,337 Posted May 13, 2025 Posted May 13, 2025 3 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: As I started my film music collecting and obsession with Jurassic Park, the following year saw the release of Nixon and Sabrina. At that stage of my collecting, they were something of a letdown. I wasn’t after brooding drama or gentle romantic comedy JW. Over the years I’ve come to appreciate both hugely That's 100% my experience too.
WampaRat 1,887 Posted August 7, 2025 Posted August 7, 2025 Anyone have a chronological order for the ost album? I know there's some suites and combined cues etc. Just looking for roughly the same order the cues might play in the film. I loved the comments that this is sort Williams' proto-ROTS score. I've never seen Nixon, but in listening to the score, I was surprised at how bespoke/dramatic some of the cues are. (If you've seen the film, did it seem..."overscored"?) If you didn't know it was from a presidential biopic you certainly would imagine a more sweeping space/historical war epic, perhaps. There are moments akin to War Horse, Indiana Jones/Star Wars villain music, and even Jurassic Park in places. They don't score dramatic Oscar-bait films like this these days!
bruce marshall 1,965 Posted August 7, 2025 Posted August 7, 2025 A great film Seek out the longer version!
Edmilson 11,810 Posted August 7, 2025 Posted August 7, 2025 For the expansion experts in the forum: What are the odds of a Nixon expansion happening? It'd be Intrada territory (Disney movie), right? Since BOT4J already has a bootleg and JFK is Warner Bros (), I'd say Nixon is the most "urgent" JW/Stone expansion, though I wouldn't be sad with Born on the Fourth. GerateWohl and Yavar Moradi 2
Popular Post Jay 45,403 Posted August 7, 2025 Popular Post Posted August 7, 2025 I can't see any reason why a Nixon expansion couldn't happen. Intrada has been a releasing a steady stream of these Hollywood/Touchstone films owned by Disney Edmilson, blondheim, johnmillions and 1 other 3 1
johnmillions 124 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 I watched Nixon for the first time this week. (It was just added to Prime Video.) All that I can say is "wow." It's going to take me a while to process the film and the feelings it elicited in me toward President Nixon. I was already familiar with the score via the album. That album's first track drew me to the score initially and was my favorite. After hearing the complete score in context, I now find myself more appreciative of the subtlety, nuance, and (in some instances) restraint of the score proper more than the bombast of that music for the trailer. The score is dissonant, yet beautifully so. Somehow, the music fosters a nostalgia for Nixon's youth, a particularly ugly period of his life. @Incanus previously described this score better than I ever could. Does anyone else hear a similarity between the melody of Growing Up In Whittier and Dobby's theme? Is it the contour? Nixon has been in my JW top ten ever since I first heard the album. Please, please let it be one of Intrada's five JW titles this year! P. S. Am I the only one who gets confused reading the album's spine? I often find myself wondering what the hell "NOXIN" is! Incanus and Arpy 2
filmmusic 3,081 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 53 minutes ago, johnmillions said: P. S. Am I the only one who gets confused reading the album's spine? I often find myself wondering what the hell "NOXIN" is! Sorry? It says "NIXON" in my cd spine.. By the way, I hope you watched the theatrical cut, and not the extended one..
Popular Post The Score Cleaner 9,645 Posted February 11 Popular Post Posted February 11 4 hours ago, filmmusic said: Sorry? It says "NIXON" in my cd spine.. Incanus, filmmusic, bruce marshall and 1 other 3 1
QuartalHarmony 969 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 10 hours ago, johnmillions said: Am I the only one who gets confused reading the album's spine? I often find myself wondering what the hell "NOXIN" is! Not on the spine, weirdly, but absolutely on the CD if I don't put it back in the case the right way up! johnmillions 1
Arpy 4,249 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 I won't talk politics as per the rules, but the film has Oliver Stone's brilliant eye for capturing expressions, angles and shots that seem to work wonders with Williams' music which rightly underpins that uneasy atmosphere. Noxin can't hurt you. johnmillions 1
QuartalHarmony 969 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 20 hours ago, filmmusic said: Sorry? It says "NIXON" in my cd spine.. We must have different editions: filmmusic and johnmillions 2
johnmillions 124 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Today is Presidents Day in the U.S. So there couldn't be a better time for Intrada to announce NOXIN, I mean NIXON! At Intrada, there are five JW releases planned for 2026. I assume that they'll space them out, so we can anticipate a JW release every two-to-three months. I'm ready! Are you?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,938 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 On 10/02/2026 at 11:29 PM, filmmusic said: By the way, I hope you watched the theatrical cut, and not the extended one.. Why?
filmmusic 3,081 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 27 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said: Why? I always prefer the theatrical cuts, and I think there is a reason for deleting some scenes. And certainly for first viewing, I would recommend the theatrical cuts, and then out of curiosity to watch extended ones. Anyway, the extended edition (although it's long since I've seen it), I believe drags a bit.. I think the only theatrical cut I've heard is no good at all, is the US theatrical version of Once Upon a Time in America.
Marian Schedenig 11,428 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 2 hours ago, filmmusic said: I always prefer the theatrical cuts, and I think there is a reason for deleting some scenes. Which is why most director's cuts have still have plenty of scenes deleted compared to the work print.
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