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I'm not overly familiar with the score but I thought it was reasonably short? That's a lot of cues.

Posted
2 hours ago, Josh500 said:

 

Nixon is the second longest movie JW scored, at around 3 hours and 20 minutes! It's not his longest score, but it's far from short.

 

This is one score I'd like to see the Complete Edition of, along with Born on the Fourth of July and JFK. 

What is his longest?

 

As well as everyone else.

Posted
2 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

What is his longest?

 

I believe Schindler's List is longer.

1 hour ago, Incanus said:

If I remember correctly there are quite a few shorter tracks in the film following Stone's rather collage-styled editing of many sequences. The OST album contains many of the longer cues from the film and some tracks where JW has in his classic style combined cues from several scenes from all over the film. But I would love a complete score release of this one. I think it might be a minor revelation especially as there are so many little pieces here that foreshadow Williams' writing for e.g. the Star Wars Prequels. Plus I love the mix of brooding grand darkness and nostalgic Americana solidity Johnny conjures with this music.

 

Nixon might be one of the most underrated John Williams scores! For the longest time I hardly listened to this (especially since I never saw the movie), but this score is actually fantastic and almost every track offers something surprising and unexpected.

 

Initially, I thought this very dissonant and unlistenable, but maybe my musical tastes have matured. These days I find this endlessly fascinating.

Posted

Nixon is 212 minutes,

JFK is 206 minutes,

Schindler's List is 195 minutes.

Posted
22 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

JFK is 206 minutes

 

That's the expanded Director's Cut.

 

The theatrical version was 188 minutes.

22 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Nixon is 212 minutes

 

Same here. The theatrical version was 192 minutes.

Posted
7 hours ago, Josh500 said:

That's the expanded Director's Cut.

 

The theatrical version was 188 minutes.

 

Same here. The theatrical version was 192 minutes.

The one and only cut of both movies. The Theatrical Cut of JFK is not even available in my country.

Posted
1 hour ago, Brundlefly said:

The Theatrical Cut of JFK is not even available in my country.

 

Which is which country? 

 

The theatrical cut was the version in the theatre when it came out. Duh.

Posted

I place Nixon within my top 5 Williams scores, so you can imagine how much I'd love a complete release. :)

Posted
13 hours ago, Sharky said:

I place Nixon within my top 5 Williams scores, so you can imagine how much I'd love a complete release. :)

 

Really?

 

Which cues especially are among your favourites? And why? 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

Which cues especially are among your favourites? And why? 

 

This feels like a deposition. :P

 

I”ll answer later.

Posted
1 hour ago, Sharky said:

 

This feels like a deposition. :P

 

I”ll answer later.

 

You have to think about the answer? 

 

I thought this score is in your Top 5! 😂 

Posted
47 minutes ago, Sharky said:

 

Well, I could just reply "Because it's fucking awesome. That's why" followed by this:

 

 

Not much thought involved!

 

My question was which cues are your favourites. But whatever.

 

I agree the score is awesome.

Posted
15 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

 

My question was which cues are your favourites. But whatever.

 

Mate, I told you 2 weeks ago to this very day!

 

On 4/20/2018 at 11:51 PM, Sharky said:

Hard to choose, but if I had to.

 

Main Title... The White House Gate

The 1960s; The Turbulent  Years

Growing Up in Whittier

The Meeting with Mao

The Miami Convention 1968

I Am That Sacrifice

The Farewell Scene

 

Are you trying to gaslight me?

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Sharky said:

 

Mate, I told you 2 weeks ago to this very day!

 

Oh yeah, I forgot that was you. That was in another thread, though.

1 hour ago, Sharky said:

Are you trying to gaslight me?

 

 

Get over yourself! I don't care enough about you to "gaslight" you. 😂 

 

I'm just trying to get different opinions on this score, that's all.

Posted
On 2/5/2018 at 7:44 AM, Corellian2019 said:

A while ago, out of sheer chance I stumbled upon the cue titles registered under GEMA for the complete score to Nixon.

Is it possible to find the cue titles of ALWAYS?

3 of them are:

Dorinda and Pete (and alternate)

Among the Clouds

Dorinda Survives

Posted

I tried, but no luck. However, looking at BMI a while ago, I found:

 

Pete At The Refrigerator

Explosion Of Pete's Plane

Dorinda's Flying Entrance

Dorinda Survives

 

Posted
7 hours ago, filmmusic said:

Is it possible to find the cue titles of ALWAYS?

3 of them are:

Dorinda and Pete (and alternate)

Among the Clouds

Dorinda Survives

 

How complete is the Always OS album anyway? How much music is missing? It can't be much.

Posted
1 hour ago, Josh500 said:

 

How complete is the Always OS album anyway? How much music is missing? It can't be much.

yes, I checked the film yesterday with the ost.

It's missing 2 brief cues if I'm not mistaken, 1,30 minute in total.

  • 1 year later...
Posted

Revisited the film today (theatrical cut), and here is the chronological order of the cue titles to the best of my recollection:

 

Break In Revisited

Did I Approve

TV Debate

Election Results

I Hate To Lose

Mother's Faithful Dog

Football To Campaigning

Nixon Plays

I Want A Divorce

You Won't Have Nixon To Kick Around

The Jones Ranch

Johnson's Speech

Flashback To Cuba

A Day At The Races

Talking With Lincoln

Harold's Death

Ship Meeting

Kitchen Talk

Nixon Tries To Explain

Battle Hymn-Ending

It's A Lie

Sounds Like Mother

Lewis J. Fielding M.D. (Part 2)

China Bells

Mitchell Must Go

We Failed Him

The Bridge

Firing Of Associates

Father-Daughter Scene

The News

Mother Appears

Nixon To Hospital

Back To Life

I'm Not A Crook

You Have The Army

If There Was Another Recording

Praying

Farewell Speech

 

Also, can anyone identify the vocal track heard during the end credits?

Posted
1 hour ago, Corellian2019 said:

Also, can anyone identify the vocal track heard during the end credits?

If I remember correctly, they use at least Shenandoah (below info from IMDB):

SHENANDOAH 
Traditional; Arranged by James Erb 
Performed by The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square; Jerold Ottley, Conductor 
Courtesy of London Records 
by arrangement with PolyGram Film & TV Licensing 

 

  • 2 years later...
Posted

So apparently this lengthy 10+ minute scene is exclusive to the director's cut (wasn't in the theatrical at all) but it's scored almost entirely with JW music.

 

Does anyone know if they just tracked music from elsewhere in the film or did JW score the scene before it was deleted? I've never seen the film so I have no idea if the music is from elsewhere.

 

 

Also, revisiting the OST for this score and I have to say... this soundtrack is an underrated gem! I would absolutely love to hear a deluxe expansion someday (along with everything else!)

 

Any ideas how much music is unreleased overall? Seems to be a lot...

Posted

It's very much a proto-ROTS, yes! The ominous dark passages, the big brassy fanfares, the elegiac adagio-esque string passages, it's remarkably varied! 

 

And what a stunning performance from the orchestra too, they recorded some very impressive scores in LA throughout the 90s.

Posted

This score is pretty much at the top of my most-wished-for JW expansions. A great score mated to a great film. It would be a delight to see it expanded in 2022. Let’s not forget that a 27th anniversary is one of the special ones, right??

  • 2 years later...
Posted

Does anyone have a comparison between the released score and the stuff that’s unreleased. I want to create a bootleg album for this.

  • 1 year later...
Posted

As I started my film music collecting and obsession with Jurassic Park, the following year saw the release of Nixon and Sabrina. At that stage of my collecting, they were something of a letdown. I wasn’t after brooding drama or gentle romantic comedy JW. Over the years I’ve come to appreciate both hugely and loved the Sabrina expanded edition, and would very much welcome the same for Nixon.

 

Giving this a listen the other day, the question that immediately struck me was… why is track 9 called “Track 2 and the Bay of Pigs”?! The latter half of the name I get. The former… not so much.  

Posted
28 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said:

Giving this a listen the other day, the question that immediately struck me was… why is track 9 called “Track 2 and the Bay of Pigs”?! The latter half of the name I get. The former… not so much.  

 

Track II was another name for Project FUBELT, the covert CIA operation to instigate regime change in Chile during the Nixon era. As I recall, parts of this operation are depicted and/or discussed in the film.

Posted
11 minutes ago, John Takis said:

 

Track II was another name for Project FUBELT, the covert CIA operation to instigate regime change in Chile during the Nixon era. As I recall, parts of this operation are depicted and/or discussed in the film.

That makes sense now... in the context of a track listing it looks like a weird typo! I think I did watch Nixon once but don't really have any strong recollections of it. Feel like I should give it another look. Many thanks.

Posted
3 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

As I started my film music collecting and obsession with Jurassic Park, the following year saw the release of Nixon and Sabrina. At that stage of my collecting, they were something of a letdown. I wasn’t after brooding drama or gentle romantic comedy JW. Over the years I’ve come to appreciate both hugely

 

That's 100% my experience too.

  • 2 months later...
Posted

Anyone have a chronological order for the ost album? I know there's some suites and combined cues etc. Just looking for roughly the same order the cues might play in the film.

I loved the comments that this is sort Williams' proto-ROTS score. I've never seen Nixon, but in listening to the score, I was surprised at how bespoke/dramatic some of the cues are. (If you've seen the film, did it seem..."overscored"?)
If you didn't know it was from a presidential biopic you certainly would imagine a more sweeping space/historical war epic, perhaps. There are moments akin to War Horse, Indiana Jones/Star Wars villain music, and even Jurassic Park in places.

They don't score dramatic Oscar-bait films like this these days! 

Posted

For the expansion experts in the forum: What are the odds of a Nixon expansion happening? It'd be Intrada territory (Disney movie), right?

 

Since BOT4J already has a bootleg and JFK is Warner Bros (:angryfire:), I'd say Nixon is the most "urgent" JW/Stone expansion, though I wouldn't be sad with Born on the Fourth.

  • 6 months later...
Posted

I watched Nixon for the first time this week. (It was just added to Prime Video.) All that I can say is "wow." It's going to take me a while to process the film and the feelings it elicited in me toward President Nixon. 

 

I was already familiar with the score via the album. That album's first track drew me to the score initially and was my favorite. After hearing the complete score in context, I now find myself more appreciative of the subtlety, nuance, and (in some instances) restraint of the score proper more than the bombast of that music for the trailer. 

 

The score is dissonant, yet beautifully so. Somehow, the music fosters a nostalgia for Nixon's youth, a particularly ugly period of his life. @Incanus previously described this score better than I ever could. 

 

Does anyone else hear a similarity between the melody of Growing Up In Whittier and Dobby's theme? Is it the contour? 

 

Nixon has been in my JW top ten ever since I first heard the album. Please, please let it be one of Intrada's five JW titles this year! 

 

P. S. Am I the only one who gets confused reading the album's spine? I often find myself wondering what the hell "NOXIN" is! :lol:

Posted
53 minutes ago, johnmillions said:

P. S. Am I the only one who gets confused reading the album's spine? I often find myself wondering what the hell "NOXIN" is! :lol:

Sorry? It says "NIXON" in my cd spine.. :huh:

 

By the way, I hope you watched the theatrical cut, and not the extended one..

Posted
10 hours ago, johnmillions said:

Am I the only one who gets confused reading the album's spine? I often find myself wondering what the hell "NOXIN" is!

 

Not on the spine, weirdly, but absolutely on the CD if I don't put it back in the case the right way up!

Posted

I won't talk politics as per the rules, but the film has Oliver Stone's brilliant eye for capturing expressions, angles and shots that seem to work wonders with Williams' music which rightly underpins that uneasy  atmosphere.

Noxin can't hurt you.

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Posted

Today is Presidents Day in the U.S. So there couldn't be a better time for Intrada to announce NOXIN, I mean NIXON!

 

At Intrada, there are five JW releases planned for 2026. I assume that they'll space them out, so we can anticipate a JW release every two-to-three months. 

 

I'm ready! Are you?

 

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Posted
27 minutes ago, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said:

 

Why?

I always prefer the theatrical cuts, and I think there is a reason for deleting some scenes.

And certainly for first viewing, I would recommend the theatrical cuts, and then out of curiosity to watch extended ones.

Anyway, the extended edition (although it's long since I've seen it), I believe drags a bit..

I think the only theatrical cut I've heard is no good at all, is the US theatrical version of Once Upon a Time in America.

Posted
2 hours ago, filmmusic said:

I always prefer the theatrical cuts, and I think there is a reason for deleting some scenes.

 

Which is why most director's cuts have still have plenty of scenes deleted compared to the work print.

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