David Coscina 4 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 I would have been more interested in a Silvestri pirate score than Zimmer. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Clearly Sea Hawk! Great score (and the uncredited "father" of Williams' Hook score. Williams even references the earlier score in a very touching homage during the flight to tink/flight scene near the beginning). Hook is a clear second too. Not a patch on Sea Hawk, but still an incredible score, and a plethora of new and fun themes! For those people who say that Hook is not a pirate score, listen again! The prologue, Presenting the Hook, The Sea Hawk homage, The Battle... etc etc. It is very much a pirate score! Just like Peter Pan is a fantasy for kids (young and old!) who still find excitement in pirate stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Well, yes, some tracks of PotC are quite nice, or rousing, the problem I have with it is, those do not make up the majority of the score, and almost all of that is quasi-plagiated from Gladiator and the likes. And then there's so much stuff in there like the pirates-in-the-moonlight-scrubbing-the-deck-scene, and that stuff is plain awful. A friend of mine, very musical guy, walked out of the room at that point, saying he couldn't take it anymore. I can understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 It's decent at times on itself, but this is supposed to accompany a swashbuckling mega-adventure. I don't want to hear the same kind of music in it as I would in any cop action movie of the last 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I probably shouldn't debate Figo over matters relating to Korngold and Gerhardt, but what the hell.What's to debate? Gerhardt-endorsed or not, I hated the new cut. I'm all for remixing -- the Newman album sounds especially bad -- but I'm glad they didn't go through and re-edit the entire series. If it ain't broke, for the love of God, don't fix it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,244 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Can anybody reccomend a good recording of Sea Hawk?As mentioned above, the Gerhardt cues are great (at least those on the Errol Flynn compilation, I still haven't heard the Sea Hawk Korngold compilation), as is Kojian's recording of the score, which more like a soundtrack album compared to Gerhardt's suite arrangements. Previn is very slow, and therefore very unexpected, but not bad once you get used to it (but definitely not my first choice). And Morgan & Stromberg are considering recording Sea Hawk, which must great fantastic if they do it (just listen to their take on Robin Hood).Marian - who voted for blood! Blood! BLOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Hook is by far the best pirate score of the lot. No score has ever come close to being as piratey. The pirate themes just nail it. The rest are largely swashbuckler scores, not pirate scores. Muppet Treasure Island has a great pirate theme though. Morlock- who does not think Korngold has ever written pirate music, only the finest swshbuckling music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 But pirates were all about buckling their swashes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,244 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Pirates usually travel on ships. Korngold's scores sound much more like ships and the sea than Hook does, though it does of course also have some nice piratey music.Marian - giving a honorable mention to Goodwin's concert piece Drake 400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_burke 0 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Won't somebody please think of Ennio Morricone's "The Island"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I'm just gonna choose...Sea Hawk. Yeah, I'm one of those movie music newbies who hasn't heard half the scores on the list - only Hook, in fact - but I've heard Korngold before (Kings Row), and he was a GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 You know, when this thread was started I voted for The Sea Hawk, because I did never heard Captain Blood. Now that I have, my vote would have be for The Sea Hawk. It was hard to not vote for Hook, but I think The Sea Hawk...is more pirate.I don't hate Pirates of the Caribbean, but it's boring after the first 2 tracks. It's basically the same 2 themes repeated forever.So, I like these kind of scores. I'd like to expand my pirate scores collection...any other suggestions?And with this thread, I commented all the threads which I was interested in, during my 2 weeks self-forced vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hook is a pirate score, I think not.I agree it's kind of like a more sucky Harry Potter with pirates in it.Justin - Who still thinks that Peter Pan should be on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 If I didn't voted for Hook it doesn't mean I don't like it.I love it, and the "Prologue" track is one of my favourite JW cue ever (and IMO, one of his best opening cues) and "We don't wanna grow up" has a very funny music, partially ruined by the vocals.But, still, Hook is not "pirate" enough, compared with The Sea Hawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Hook is a rich and brilliant score. If only it were a couple of hours longer, it would be as cohesive as all those wonderful themes deserve it to be. And I still make the distinction between pirate and swashbuckling/sailing music. Pirate music is very specific. Korngold did not write pirate music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Hook is a rich and brilliant score.I agree.If only it were a couple of hours longer, it would be as cohesive as all those wonderful themes deserve it to be.A couple of hours longer? Man the complete score is on 3 CDs!!! I hope you mean the OST. Otherwise, you're crazy.You're crazy, indeed, but I agree with this too.And I still make the distinction between pirate and swashbuckling/sailing music. Pirate music is very specific.So...where are the examples? Names names names I want the names! Korngold did not write pirate music.But The Sea Hawk and Captain Blood are two good pirate scores. And, like Mr. Crichton said, honorable mention to Monkey Island. Michael Land, Clint Bajakian and Peter McConnel...Mirko - who wants to expand his collection of these kind of scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 A couple of hours longer? Man the complete score is on 3 CDs!!! I hope you mean the OST. Otherwise, you're crazy. No, the whole score. Listening to the complete score (in the movie and on CD) you really hear it all coming together towards the end in a particularly fantastic way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 If you had quoted the whole phrase, I said you're right and I agree with you. Now asnwer to the other phrases!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,244 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 And I still make the distinction between pirate and swashbuckling/sailing music. Pirate music is very specific. Korngold did not write pirate music.I still make the same distinction. Korngold wrote swashbuckling pirate music. Williams wrote piratey swashbuckling music.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 My vote goes to Cutthroat Island. Sorry John but I LOVE that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Any other good scores like those in the list? I'd like to expand my collection of this kind of music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Justin - Who still thinks that Peter Pan should be on this list.Indeed, Peter Pan is greatness. It's pretty pirate-ish, too!~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTennisBallKid 17 Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Big thanks to those who reccomended Gerhardt, I'm listening to Sea Hawk (the longer pressing) now, and the Captain Blood CD is in the mail. I also have the Citizen Kane CD and plan to get more of these. Fabulous! 8O ttbk 8O Strike For The Shores Of Dover! 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I got CutThroat Island yesterday. Sounds pretty cool. I need to get me some Korngold now.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari 279 Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 And Morgan & Stromberg are considering recording Sea Hawk, which must great fantastic if they do it (just listen to their take on Robin Hood).John Morgan confirmed today on the FSM board that they are indeed going to record Sea Hawk (2 CDs) for release next year.You can read about it hereYeah!Kathy, who voted for Captain Blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Oh boy! Oh boy!! Oh boy!!! Oh boy!!!!Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,244 Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8OMarian - hoping there will also be a DVD-A/SACD/something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTennisBallKid 17 Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Yeah!ttbk, who had been listening the Gerhardt suite earlier today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Neat. Why the re-recording? Are the originals lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,244 Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 The originals aren't lost, and were in fact released by Tsunami. However, it was recorded in 1940, so it sounds a little...antique.Marian - who will be waiting for Captain Blood when this one is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 How old is this thread???Justin - Getting tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 741 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Does anyone know what piratey movies have got good music? I like music for pirate movies very much indeed and am trying to get anything good I can get my greedy hands on. At the moment I have the following soundtracks:- Captain BloodErich Wolfgang KorngoldRating: No ratingI only have a few tracks in horrid sound quality. Nice main theme though.- Cutthroat IslandJohn DebneyRating: *****I have the full 2-CD soundtrack and I really love it. As far as I know, best overly amazing score for a pirate movie ever. So far, none of the others have impressed me quite as much.- HookJohn WilliamsRating: *****I have the original soundtrack and an extended 3-CD version, but the latter has stupid clicks and plops. Definitely a great score indeed!- Master and Commander: The Far Side of the WorldChristopher GordonRating: *Dul, boring, hardly anything to like here. "The Battle" must be the most boring battle track ever. Works in the movie though.- Mutiny on the BountyBronislau KaperRating: *****I have the 3-CD set, but haven't listened to it in it's entirety yet. What I did listen to sounded absolutely awesome. I love track 2 "Main Title/Portsmouth Harbor".- Peter PanJames Newton HowardRating: No rating - I think *** would doDidn't really sound very piratey. Nice enough though. Sounded a bit Hookish in the movie every now and then.- Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black PearlKlaus Badelt and co.Rating: **When I first heard it, I really liked it. After I heard Cutthroat Island, I have become unimpressed with it. Having now heard even more proper pirate-movie scores, I don't really like it anymore at all.- Sinbad, Legend of the Seven SeasHarry Gregson-WilliamsRating: *****Great fun, great music, absolutely excellent.- The Sea HawkErich Wolfgang KorngoldRating: No rating yet - I think ****, but it might be ***** after allNice main theme. I haven't listened to the rest of the music yet, but what I heard sounds nice. [sacrilege]Didn't seem quite as impressive as Cutthroat Island though. And Mutiny on the Bounty also impressed me more after the first few tracks.[/sacrilege]- Treasure PlanetJames Newton HowardRating: ***Some nice piratey parts. Definitely a good soundtrack. Not overly impressive though. The modern touches are great for the film, but I would've liked the music better without it. Last track is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 - The Sea HawkErich Wolfgang KorngoldRating: No rating yet - I think ****, but it might be ***** after allNice main theme. I haven't listened to the rest of the music yet, but what I heard sounds nice. [sacrilege]Didn't seem quite as impressive as Cutthroat Island though. And Mutiny on the Bounty also impressed me more after the first few tracks.[/sacrilege]Cutthroat Island benefits from the huge orchestra, beefed up orchestrations and superiour recording technology.But without Korngold, the score as Debney composed it would simply not excist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 799 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Voted for Hook, because of it's diversity and emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Because it's John Williams right...Fess up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 there is nothing really wrong with the MV sound per se. the problem is that with zimmer's 'clones' on the loose, it has begun to appear with an increasing frequency...much to my annoyment. in other words, its spread to thin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,728 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hook followed by Seahawk and Cutthroat Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 there is nothing really wrong with the MV sound per se. the problem is that with zimmer's 'clones' on the loose, it has begun to appear with an increasing frequency...much to my annoyment. in other words, its spread to thinYou can hear cheap knock-offs in far to many films and TV shows too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 there is nothing really wrong with the MV sound per se. the problem is that with zimmer's 'clones' on the loose, it has begun to appear with an increasing frequency...much to my annoyment. in other words, its spread to thinYou can hear cheap knock-offs in far to many films and TV shows too.true, i've noticed MV-ish music in Bruckheimer's Amazing Race (not sure who did the music) and definitely The Contender (I'm sure I glanced Zimmer's name in the credits for this one before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie 1 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hook. IMO, Williams best ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0hawk 1 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End.You all really need to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hook.I agree that POTC: At World's End is my all time favorite pirate film score. But then again, Hook and Pirates can't be compared. They are totally different types of scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hook is my favorite Pirate score. Dead Man's Chest is my favorite Pirates score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hook.I agree that POTC: At World's End is my all time favorite pirate film score.I think Marian just died of shock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 741 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 As long as Cutthroat Island exists, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End can never be the best pirate score. As far as I'm concerned anyway. I only consider Hook to be an extremely good score with piratey elements; not a pirate score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 165 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 As long as Cutthroat Island exists, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End can never be the best pirate score. As far as I'm concerned anyway. I only consider Hook to be an extremely good score with piratey elements; not a pirate score.Exactly. Hook is superb, no doubt about it. It's one of my favourite work by Williams. BUT it is not a pirate score. It has pirate elements (Prologue theme, Pirates theme...) but most of is a fantasy score, similar to Star Wars with more childish elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,244 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I agree that POTC: At World's End is my all time favorite pirate film score.I think Marian just died of shock!Nothing surprises me anymore. At least he picked the enjoyable one of the three scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Obviously, the Dutch know nothing about piracy.What about the Flying Dutchman?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dutch_pirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Favourite score for a swashbuckler: Debney's "Cutthroat Island", Gregson-Williams' "Sinbad" and Zimmer's (and co.'s) "PotC:AWE".Special mention: Korngold's scores - I am not a great fan of Golden Age sound, but on the other hand, Korngold created the swashbuckler music and that's why he deserves everlasting respect.Special Prize - "Hook". It's more in 'Peter Pan movie music' cathegory, but still involves a lot of pirates, so that's why the special prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 This is sort of a pointless poll, because this is a Williams forum and Hook is going to win.Exactly, I knew everyone would immediately click Hook or Cutthroat Island, so I decided to give Hansy a little credit.Muppet Treasure Island has some great music, some of Zimmer's best. It has hints of Hook in it, with some preludes to a developing Pirates Of The Caribbean theme.If we've voting on Pirate scores, where the hell is Pirates Of The Caribbean and Peter Pan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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