Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: Wonder will Gatwa's title sequence reinstate the Doctor's face briefly appearing? Last seen during the Capaldi era. That's a Moffat thing, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 well Rusty is a Moffat fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Tallguy said: That's a Moffat thing, isn't it? Actually, now I think about it ... yep. No Eccleston or Tennant's face in theirs during RTD's first run, and no Whittaker's in hers during Chibnall's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 I'd assume the sequence from these three is what it will be going forward. Still think the new theme arrangement is too orchestrationally fancy. It started life as an electronic piece and the simplicity of the melody feels like it's being diluted a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,539 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Tallguy said: That's a Moffat thing, isn't it? Yes it was, but only, if memory serves, starting with "The Snowmen", or, possibly, "The Bells Of St. John". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I've been reading a lot of discussion lately about the show, and made me curious to want to check it out, but there's a huge amount of material out there. I read somewhere that since there isn't a lot of continuity between the different incarnations, the christmas specials where a good place to start, so I was wondering if these three new Disney+ specials would be a great place to jump in for a newcomer. If not, then where would you recommend me to start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 51 minutes ago, Knight of Ren said: I've been reading a lot of discussion lately about the show, and made me curious to want to check it out, but there's a huge amount of material out there. I read somewhere that since there isn't a lot of continuity between the different incarnations, the christmas specials where a good place to start, so I was wondering if these three new Disney+ specials would be a great place to jump in for a newcomer. If not, then where would you recommend me to start? Probably The Eleventh Hour. Season Five, episode 1. Some might argue The Christmas Invasion, season 2. I would say The Pilot, season 10. All New Who. I don't think the latest three are a good intro. But maybe they are. I have a feeling this Christmas might be a great place to start. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enderdrag64 624 Posted December 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Knight of Ren said: I've been reading a lot of discussion lately about the show, and made me curious to want to check it out, but there's a huge amount of material out there. I read somewhere that since there isn't a lot of continuity between the different incarnations, the christmas specials where a good place to start, so I was wondering if these three new Disney+ specials would be a great place to jump in for a newcomer. If not, then where would you recommend me to start? Yeah I heard the three new specials are heavily reliant on the last 3 series + series 4. I'd personally recommend just starting with New Who series 1 from 2005. Anything later and you're missing context for earlier stories, anything earlier will be long and boring for modern audiences without already having a love for the show Bofur01, CatastrophicJones and mstrox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 hours ago, enderdrag64 said: I'd personally recommend just starting with New Who series 1 from 2005. The reason I don't do that is that I know several people who decided to "try this Doctor Who thing" with Rose and they hated it. OTOH I started watching Doctor Who with The Pirate Planet. So maybe you just learn that he's a person (who was one time a she) who travels in space and time in a machine that looks like a 1960's police box and is bigger on the inside than the outside. If you must know the show changes the lead actor every few years for reasons. Sometimes the show is very silly. Sometimes it's kind of scary (in a ten year old fashion of scary). It's almost always fun. So just watch it and have a good time. My kids have been watching "seriously" (it's really a thing they watch with Dad) since Jodi Whittaker. They've seen bits of David Tennant. My daughter and I just watched Matt Smith's first season and my son and I just watched Christopher Eccleston's second episode because he realized that CE is the one Doctor he's seen almost nothing of. (Again, there are many wonderful qualities about the Ninth Doctor but I do not recommend that season for newcomers just on the question of budget and technology alone.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Tallguy said: Probably The Eleventh Hour. Season Five, episode 1. Some might argue The Christmas Invasion, season 2. I would say The Pilot, season 10. All New Who. I don't think the latest three are a good intro. But maybe they are. I have a feeling this Christmas might be a great place to start. yeah it's most likely series 1 (or series 2), series 5, series 10, and probably the next one. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Amy's intro to the Tardis is definitely the one I remember most. That whole episode is a great intro to the format and to my personal favourite Doctor after Tennant. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: and to my personal favourite Doctor after Tennant. i would list my favourite doctors of modern who (but not stories, that's different) in this way from my favourite to the least: 12, 11, 9, 14, 10, 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I’d go 12, 10, 13, 11, 9 (haven’t seen the new specials yet). I like the 11 companions but not particularly Matt Smith and definitely not some of the plotting of those seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 10, 11, 12 for me, then Eccleston and Whittaker on the same footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Fifteen's sonic is a curious beast. The question is, does it finally have a setting for wood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 that's the worst prop i've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 It’s an upgrade from the sonic sunglasses at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 at least that turned out to have a context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Maybe 15 has a good reason to be carrying around a sonic vibrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 it comes in handy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badzeee 110 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 6:43 PM, Richard Penna said: I'd assume the sequence from these three is what it will be going forward. Still think the new theme arrangement is too orchestrationally fancy. It started life as an electronic piece and the simplicity of the melody feels like it's being diluted a bit. The new version of the theme is kitchen sink, bells, whistles, anything that makes a sound thrown down the deepest mine shaft to make as much clatter as possible. Murray Gold wasn't subtle last time RTD was showrunner, although he calmed a great deal under Stephen Moffat's stewardship of the show. Apparently, RTD's producer Phil Collinson always wants things "louder," so that's what we've got... again. To my ears, there's always too much going on... it's become the aural style of the RTD era(s). I really liked Segun Akinola's take on the theme tune, which was both a respectful and atmospheric update of the original. Retained a sense of the sinister, too. I actually quite liked Gold's 11th Doctor take, too... but this new version (especially the end titles) sounds bloated to the point of distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2023 Finally someone who also appreciates Akinola's version! For me, the strength of this theme is in the simplicity of the theme with that driving baseline, and not in adding a full orchestra just to make it bigger and more colourful. Brónach, TSMefford and Badzeee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Akinola made the best version of it in New Who to be fair murray is probably being told to make it warm and family friendly and adventurous and i think he hilariously mentioned this in an old interview Badzeee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Seems there's an explanation for the weird edit of the title sequence. From the BBC iPlayer Commentary for "The Giggle": Quote David Tennant: We filmed a bit to go in the title sequence. Talk us through it, producers. Russell T Davies: Alright then. Tennant: What happened there? Davies: What do you think, Phil. Phil Collinson: I think you should speak. Davies: I think, I think I’m the only person that liked it!... We shot a sequence in the middle of this in the title sequence where David and Catherine hang out of the TARDIS doors, which then we shot it for Ncuti and Millie as well. Hanging out of the TARDIS with all the time vortex going past... Literally, it was like a war of attrition. Collinson: Everyone who watched it, hated it. Davies: Everyone just…. I loved it! Collinson: I liked it! Do like it! Davies: Enlighten me! Collinson: I told you I liked it! Davies: Eventually, it was Moffat who happened to see it. Tennant: What’s he got anything to do with anything anymore?! Davies: I play it to him, “Look, what a great big title sequence we’ve got.” He went “Oh that’s absolutely brilliant. Cut that shot.” Literally lethal. “Cut that shot.” I went, “Don’t you like that?.” “Cut that shot.” “But isn’t it…” “Cut that shot.” Tennant: No debate? Davies: No debate. Collinson: No debate. I don't think what they're talking about sounds like a bad idea. I would've been curious to see it. I agree with Tennant though - what's Moffat got to do with this anymore? enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 51 minutes ago, TSMefford said: what's Moffat got to do with this anymore? Heh heh heh heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Can't say I'd object if he was tempted back as a writer. Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 RTD is a big fan, they've worked together, he shows him stuff, it makes sense. And if he writes something it would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: Can't say I'd object if he was tempted back as a writer. He's done that Moffat thing where he categorically denies that he's coming back in such a specific way that I'm 99% sure he's coming back. BTW, as clever as Mof can be, we just watched The Impossible Astronaut and when 11 is trying to regenerate after being shot nobody (including the Doc) is surprised that he's going to regenerate. So he didn't come up with the (admittedly clever) math that 11 had already had twelve regenerations yet. Yes, yes, I know. It's a show. It isn't real. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 but eleventh already knows what he is doing, and the rest don't necesarily know about tentoo or the war doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,539 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 As long as Moffat doesn't bring back those bloody stupid Angel things, I'll be happy. 3 hours ago, Brónach said: but eleventh already knows what he is doing, and the rest don't necesarily know about tentoo or the war doctor "tentoo"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 the metacrisis doctor that was left with rose. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,539 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Ooooh! Right. Thanks. Now there's three versions of 10 running around. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I read some say that what happened was too new and weird and i was like "oh no they did that again". but perhaps the second time is cooler than the first, all details considered. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Yep. The 'metacrisis' Doctor is pretty much why I have no issue rolling with the 'bigeneration'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Christmas special trailer - The fact that seeing the Doctor clubbing is far, far weirder than seeing him clinging to a ladder which is dangling from a flying galleon crewed by what appear to be actual goblins sums up the show rather neatly, lol. Tom Guernsey and Brónach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,539 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 The Doctor is no longer "The Doctor". He's just an adventurer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 some of this actor related usually. ncuti dances, peter plays the guitar and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Ah, just the same trailer from the end of the last episode. I wonder who it was who came across this library track and thought... yes.. Doctor Who. (for the record, I don't go looking for these things - there are tools that make identifying library tracks stupendously easy) Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Brónach said: some of this actor related usually. ncuti dances, peter plays the guitar and so on Ah yes. If memory serves, in a bit of 'metaness' one of the things Capaldi was heard to play was the theme tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 he also played clara's theme by the time of the second, they were already incorporating parts of the actor into the character, and sometimes you do have to get stuff from somewhere, but i've also seen people question some of these things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: Ah yes. If memory serves, in a bit of 'metaness' one of the things Capaldi was heard to play was the theme tune. Well. He played Beethoven's Fifth and then the same guitar was heard in the opening credits. Probably Capaldi but not necessarily the Doctor. Or was there a more explicit reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Is it not the theme he's playing when he enters on the tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: Is it not the theme he's playing when he enters on the tank? Nope. I don't think it is. If is it's a really muddled arrangement. And then he plays Pretty Woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 The Xmas special is going to need a rewatch methinks. Initial impression was 'mixed bag'. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,200 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 I watched it yesterday. Great fun! A few silly bits (the song was half fun half too silly, but that's better than many other RTD song sequences). And it wasn't clear to me why the Doctor was waiting for Ruby at the end (new companion, sure, but usually you see when he decides to take on a new one, unless it happens by accident), or what made her join him without question or argument. But who cares, when all the fun and excitement I expect from Who was there. Gatwa and Gibson make a great team, and Gold is having fun again, too! (Also, mavity is back. And I expect Ruby's origin story may form an arc of some point. Plus, what's up with the elderly neighbour at the end? Maybe just some 4th wall breaking - but in that case it's very goofy, so I'd hope there's a bit more to it… probably not though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 15 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I watched it yesterday. Great fun! A few silly bits (the song was half fun half too silly, but that's better than many other RTD song sequences). And it wasn't clear to me why the Doctor was waiting for Ruby at the end (new companion, sure, but usually you see when he decides to take on a new one, unless it happens by accident), or what made her join him without question or argument. But who cares, when all the fun and excitement I expect from Who was there. Gatwa and Gibson make a great team, and Gold is having fun again, too! (Also, mavity is back. And I expect Ruby's origin story may form an arc of some point. Plus, what's up with the elderly neighbour at the end? Maybe just some 4th wall breaking - but in that case it's very goofy, so I'd hope there's a bit more to it… probably not though) There is almost certainly more to Mrs. Flood than meets the eye, she knows way more than she should and is putting up the appearance of just being a normal nosy neighbour. The fourth wall breaking feels more like a hint to her connection to these new supernatural occurences I would say I think the episode establishes both 15 and Ruby as very much the kind of people that just go with the flow. 15 is now unburdened by a lot of the past anxieties and so there feels like there's less deliberation behind his actions, like he very much operates off vibes as opposed to consternating about whether he should risk taking another companion, which I think is something that hung over pretty much every other occurence of this in Nu Who. I could see this getting them both into trouble though, The Doctor might learn a lesson about over-correcting into being too carefree. In addition, I think 15 feels a lot of kinship with Ruby as both foundlings and is feeling that absence of family especially since 14 essentially gets to have one while he rushes off into the wilderness of time and space From a first watch the episode was very frantic but that's par for the course with Christmas Specials so I look forward to when the regular run starts so we can really sit with these characters EDIT: Just watched the commentary and yep, my intuition is very right. They've got plans for Mrs. Flood and that final scene was not just a gag Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Had to lol at comments elsewhere that 'the Goblin King's let himself go since Labyrinth' and at others comparing him to post-transformation Chet from Weird Science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,539 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Current internet-based theories re: Mrs. Flood:- 1/ Ruby's mom (if so, why did she leave her outside the church, but stay close?) 2/ Missy 3/ The Rani 4/ Romana (unlikely, but possible) 5/ The Doctor's mom (also unlikely, but also possible) 6/ Another Time Lord (Chancellor Flavia; Rassilon; Cardinal Barousa; someone The Doctor hasn't met yet) 7/ An agent for any of the above, or for another party 8/ Angie Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badzeee 110 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 It would be kind of hilarious if Mrs Flood really did just turn out to be Angie Watts. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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