#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 By the way, am I the only one who thinks there might be an important plot point in that Rory keeps dying, at least apparently?Yeah it's either lazy writing, or significant.So? When you write, you do it on top of what came before, regardless of what you were thinking back then!Oh sorry, I was being too practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 So? When you write, you do it on top of what came before, regardless of what you were thinking back then!Oh sorry, I was being too practical. Actually I think this is the proof, other than the obvious "they're not killing the main character", that Eleven is going to survive getting shot by the weird astronaut, so there can be new faces after him. Moffat's own timey wimey might betray him at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Yeah I kinda agree with that. I think it will be reversed at some point. Probably Amy will prevent it, though I have a feeling it will cost her. (either her life, Rory or the child) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 All that "half-Human" shit is just bollocks, and it's not cannon!Well if the 8th Doctor is canon, I don't see how this part cannot be?In the Big Finish audios which are quasi-cannon (depending on who you ask I suppose) in one story McGann said it wasn't true and that he was just going through a bit of amnesia and got confused. He actually gets amnesia quite a bit in the audios so its actually become I suppose a congenital defect of the 8th doctor. As for Amy, a lot would be resolved with everything if she was Romana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Oh God no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 My.....head.....hurts.....!Sorry to go a little off topic guys, but I have a nearly-new (still great condition) Region 2 "New Beginnings" box set that I would love to trade for either E-Space Trilogy or the Black Guardian Box.....just putting that out there....pop me a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 what are those then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Caught a bit of an episode the other day. Must say I was surprised as hell to see Weatherfield's feisty Karen Macdonald turn up in Doctor Who!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf1hHOtZ-4&feature=youtube_gdata_player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Yeah I did not know the actress and decided to Google her.Very hot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 what are those then?"New Beginnings" contains the final two Tom Baker stories - "The Keeper of Traken" (which introduces Nyssa - yum - and brings back The Master) and "Logopolis" in which Tegan turns up, and Tom battles The Master and has a bit of an accident...but the way has been prepared....and the final story in the box is "Castrovalva" with Peter Davison and some surprisingly good set design....and Adric gets all tied up. The Black Guardian trilogy re-introduces an old foe and has two good stories and one OK one, and has several scenes filmed at my old university...the E-Space Trilogy contains 2 good stories and one excellent one....involving vampire bats and an awful, awful lot of blood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Right now I'm waiting for the subtitles of the latest episode to show up somewhere. I need my weekly dose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 It was a decent romp - entertaining without being amazing....and the cliffhanger was completely spoiled by press and a rather obvious setup....think there might be a surprise or two to come from the conclusion though....."early technology", anyone?Nestene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I saw no spoilers for tonight at all, and I don't think the setup for the final reveal was at all obvious. Is it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Saw it. Interesting. Maybe not done to its full potential. I like the problem of having the same person exist twice at the same time. How to solve it other than killing?By the way...What if one of the two Doctors is the one who dies in The Impossible Astronaut? Or is it too obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I'm looking forward to how they tackle Rory's role in the episode. it's obvious he's feeling empathy for the gangers, seeing as he was an Auton with Rory's memories once upon a time. I'm expecting a payoff scene, I just hope it's written and directed well. Not enough Rory in this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Interesting ep with some creepy stuff. I saw the cliffhanger coming a mile away.What if one of the two Doctors is the one who dies in The Impossible Astronaut? Or is it too obvious?Certainly possible, though that doctor had memories of future events (Jim The Fish). Liked the Rory angle. Liked the fact the Doctor knows more then he is saying. Maybe it's the nestene, but they are plastic duplicates, these are almost perfect flesh and blood duplicates. So in a way even as "early technology" they are already better.The line "I have to get to that cockerel before all hell breaks loose."and then "I never thought I'd get so say that again." Could they be significant to the plot, or it is a reference to The Doctor saying that line once before in an earlier season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 The line "I have to get to that cockerel before all hell breaks loose."and then "I never thought I'd get so say that again." Could they be significant to the plot, or it is a reference to The Doctor saying that line once before in an earlier season?I think that was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 But to what is is referring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 It's a strange sentence, I doubt anyone would need to say it once in their life let alone twice. That's the joke. it doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 But he says that it's the second time he's saying it. Meaning at some point he's said it before right?This episode appears to be a prequel of sorts to the season 2 episode New Earth. The New Humans were also called The Flesh. Though that story takes place in year five billion and twenty-three in the M87 galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 But he says that it's the second time he's saying it. Meaning at some point he's said it before right?Yes, but as we (the audience) have never heard him say it before, it's safe to say it was an unrelated event. I think you're reading way too much into this.Then again, it could be this season's tweed jacket, and end up being hugely important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Then again, it could be this season's tweed jacket, and end up being hugely important.Yes, that exactly what I mean!What is so important about a tweed jacket?BTW, the mood of the episode reminded me a lot of The Hungy Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 BTW, the mood of the episode reminded me a lot of The Hungy EarthI felt the same, but I think this one was way better. I'm really into the "Lost World" kind of stories but The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood was a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 They were OK. A bit predictable though, apart from Rory dying and being forgotten about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Bleh. Did not like. Kept checking the clock to see how much was left. And a whole 'nother second part to go yet. Ugh.Matthew Graham should NEVER write for Doctor Who again. First Fear Her, now this. Bleh.I did enjoy Amy in her tight jeans, though. That was about it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 What about Steven Thompson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Funny you should say that. This is my favourite episode of the season so far. The opening two-parter was very good, but overall unsatisfying due to the sheer amount of unresolved issues at the end. This story is beautifully self contained (at least it seems to be so far!). The atmosphere and make up effects were a little "Waters of Mars", but that's no bad thing. Looking forward to part 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 For me it's like this:1) The Doctor's Wife. ***** It only needs these minutes that were cut. Great concept, clearly written by a fan for the fans.2) The Impossible Astronaut. **** Epic and mysterious. Funny. Brilliant set up.3) The Rebel Flesh. *** Good sep up. Predictable. Interesting development of Rory: every time they hint at his story as the plastic centurion he's suddenly the best companion in the new series so far. 4) Day of the Moon. *** The hardest kind of episode to evaluate, I just don't know what's on purpose and what's a plot hole. Unsatisfying, but full of great bits anyway.5) The Curse of the Black Spot. * Boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I'll have to see the second part before I can adequately rate this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I thought this episode was quite good and definitely had that classic Doctor Who mood. And honestly, after The Doctor's Wife most people are going to be let down by this story so I'll be more interested in what people have to say about this a year from now. Also, I think "early technology" has to do with the Sontarans. They of course are know for cloning and the whole war aspect really made me get that vibe. I don't know who the Rutans would be in the mix but maybe next week will deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 What is so important about a tweed jacket?The important bit about the tweed jacket goes back to a scene in the 5th season "Flesh and Stone", where the doctor appeared briefly with his jacket on in the middle of a bunch of shots where he had taken it off...there were some saying it was just a gaffe, and some saying that given the things he said whilst wearing the jacket, it might become important later....which turned out to be spot on ("The Big Bang"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Oh yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Here's the extended trailer for Torchwood: Miracle Day. Much as I love America (my wife is American, and I have now lived here for 13 years!) I am not a huge fan of most American TV. Every now and then we get a terrific show like West Wing, but for the most part it all seems very dull and generic-looking. Especially the sci-fi which always looks terribly cheesy and cheap, and has next to no humour or quirkiness. I'm nervous that Torchwood will look like every other generic US sci-fi show thanks to the involvement of the Starz network, and the fact that all the actors are now sculpted-looking US TV drones. The first three seasons of Torchwood were very realistic in their depiction of the human race. The cast were not all ex-models. Some of them had (shock horror!) a little extra weight! Sometimes a lot! We will see. I'm always excited for new Torchwood, but the American-ness (which is very evident in this trailer) is hard to ignore. Misgivings aside, it is a very interesting-looking premise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I was not a fan of the first two seasons of Torchwood, it ranged from okay to freaking awful."Children of Earth" was one of the most gripping and brilliantly executed television series I've ever seen.So I don't really know what to think of this series! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Children of Earth was not just the best series of Torchwood (by a country mile), it was one of the best British sci-fi series ever made IMO. Perhaps the finest British sci-fi miniseries since Quatermass and the Pit back in the late 1950s. Like the greatest science fiction stories it manages to use fantastic elements to highlight very real human flaws and emotions. The show was not about the aliens at all (which were more of a Hitchcockian "MacGuffin") but rather about the reactions from the all-too-human cast of characters. Brilliantly written, and heartstoppingly dramatic. Miracle Day has an impossibly tough act to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 One thing I liked about the first 2 seasons of Torchwood it the Welsh-ness of it, for lack of a better word. As Pixie described, fairly ordinary looking people having extraordinary problems. Even the shows lead actress being no typical TV babe (she's hot though).Moving it to the US will probably change that. So we'll be seeing a lot of perfectly tanned, great looking people with perfect teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I wonder if Starz tried to get Eva Myles to get her teeth fixed? It wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Haha one thing I loved in the trailer:"I'm Welsh". *kicks that chick from Neighbours in the face* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Haha one thing I loved in the trailer:"I'm Welsh". *kicks that chick from Neighbours in the face*Was she in Neighbours? I thought it was the chick from Dollhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yeah she's from Dollhouse, but started out on the dreadful Aussie soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I seem to be in the wrong country to view this!As for Torchwood. I was not really a fan of the first season. I liked the premise, but not the execution. The characters seem to be mostly self-obsessed and not very interesting nor in any way likeable. (I liked Gwen, until she started to fool around with Owen).Its a bad sign if Rhys is the character you are rooting for. Jack was also very different to the Jack from Doctor Who season 1. Only at the very end of the season did it look like the characters became interested in each other as people.The series was trying too hard to be dark...and gritty...and realistic.Season 2 was a huge improvement, the characters really came to live. Loved the extended arc of Owens dead-but-not-dead state. Jack was a lot more effective a character and the season finale had me in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The series was trying too hard to be dark...and gritty...and realistic.I didn't get that at all. I thought in their quest for an "adult" sci-fi series they took the "sex and violence" idea of "adult", as opposed to complex and dark concepts. Children of Earth thankfully recitfied that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I did not mind the sex and violence (though found it odd that everyone seemed to be bi-sexual in season 1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTallJodie 59 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Until maybe the last two or three episodes, Torchwood 1 sucked out loud. 2 was considerably better, though not perfect. CoE was BRILLIANCE. So it's hard to really get a grip on what this fourth series will be like. I'm hoping for good-to-great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Oh I really enjoyed most of Season 1 of Torchwood. Day One, Ghost Machine, Small Worlds and Countrycide were particularly good IMO. I actually preferred it to season 2 overall. Children of Earth blew them both away though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 I don't think there is any doubt that Children of Earth is one of the best pieces of science fiction to appear on television. It was so masterfully done and executed, its hard to believe that Davies was involved. His inconsistency really bugged me, as CoE as well as Midnight and others showed he could handled the show properly, yet he always reverted back to his comfort zone of camp and overindulgence. Ultimately, the first two seasons of Torchwood exhibit this perfectly, as the quality varies greatly over the course of the seasons. The whole "everyone's bi-sexual" thing really bugged me and show how Davies was more concerned about his so-called agenda than putting on a quality product. That being said, I agree that there were definitely good episodes throughout both seasons, though 2 definitely had a better ratio.As for this week's episode, I'm looking forward to see where they are going. I'm definitely getting the Sontaran vibe from the whole clone aspect as well as the design of the acid suits, though that may just be coincidence. I love Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes so I have faith that Graham will deliver. I definitely got a classic kind of Tom Baker vibe from the episode, so we'll see where it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Spoiler regarding the mid-season finale....It's been confirmed that "A Good Man Goes To War" on 4th June sees the return of the Silurians and the Cybermen....and this coming episode features a major surprise or two....can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Geez...don't you believe in the SPOILER option Greg!I REALLY did not want to know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 That was a low blow. I really didn't want to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I knew that already because I saw a... very interesting photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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