Which of these Starwars Themes/Motifs would deserve a true Concert Version

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For all these Starwars themes no true concert arrangements exist. Which three are your favorites for extended concert arrangements?

[Faleel 5,348]

The Emporer's Theme, or the Force Theme.

[KK 3,307]

Easy. The Force Theme!

[indy4 155]

I voted for three in a row:

Seperatists Theme - this is the Dies Irae one from AotC, right?

Trade Federation March - a great theme that isn't used a lot in the scores, so it deserves a concert arrangement

General Greivous theme - same as before-not used a lot

This doesn't mean I prefer these themes to the Force Theme, Lament, funeral theme, etc., but given the potential of the themes and the different ways they're used I think these three are the least developed

[Faleel 5,348]

I voted for three in a row:

Seperatists Theme - this is the Dies Irae one from AotC, right?

Its the one when "Ben Creeps Around" and is tracked into when Count Dooku is commenting on how "The Jedi got an army so quickly"

[Charlie Brigden 7]

A new one of ESB love theme incorporating the finale.

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

I think Qui-Gon's theme could lend itself well to a concert version.

But Boba Fett's theme... now that would be interesting!

[Jay 37,364]

The Force Theme, easily.

Then The Trade Federation Marc (seems RIGHT up Williams' alley to make a really fun 3-4 minute arrangement with a great b section)

Then either General Grievous' Theme or Qui-Gon's Theme

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[MissPadmé 17]

Lament for me always was a like concertpiece - it is just perfect the way it is

[Sandor 797]

Hard to choose. I'll pick three: The Force Theme, The Force Theme and The Force Theme.

[indy4 155]

The Force Theme gets so much development throughout the six films, it doesn't need a concert arrangement.

[Jay 37,364]

I've toyed with the idea of assembling my own "concert arrangement" by editing together various pieces from the film cues, but you'd probably need unique connecting material to make it really work.

[Datameister 2,043]

I picked the Force theme (duh), Grievous' theme, and the Trade Federation march. Qui-Gon's theme would be a very good choice, too, though.

[Faleel 5,348]

I've toyed with the idea of assembling my own "concert arrangement" by editing together various pieces from the film cues, but you'd probably need unique connecting material to make it really work.

Yeah, usually it just comes out sounding like a extended film score cue instead of a Concert Suite.

[Jilal 569]

Where's the Rebel Fanfare?

[Faleel 5,348]

In The Throne Room Alexander.

[Jay 37,364]

He meant why isn't it on the list

[Faleel 5,348]

I knew that, and I answered his question, because its in The Throne Room, which is basically a concert arrangment.

[Incanus 5,714]

The Force Theme, The Emperor's Theme, Qui-Gon's Theme and Shmi's Theme would lend themselves to a great concert suite.

[Jay 37,364]

I knew that, and I answered his question, because its in The Throne Room, which is basically a concert arrangment.

No it isn't. And the Rebel Fanfare is in many other cues as well

[MrJosh 892]

I chose the Trade Federation March. It could be made into a piece similar to the Imperial March with a cool middle section in betwween the strong statements of the March itself.

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

The Rebel fanfare also shows up in Here They Come, along with the Death Star motif for that matter. (And Leia's theme shows up in Throne Room, too).

The Force Theme, The Emperor's Theme, Qui-Gon's Theme and Shmi's Theme would lend themselves to a great concert suite.

I think the Force and Emperor themes deliberately have no concert movements. Fabulous as they are, I don't think they could carry a single lengthy piece as its main theme.

[Jay 37,364]

WHAT!?

The Emperor's Theme I agree with, it'd be hard to make a concert arrangement out of that.

But the Force Theme? Easily concert arrangement-ified.

[crocodile 8,012]

Isn't the concert version of The Throne Room a Force theme suite of sorts?

Karol

[Jay 37,364]

Yes.

[crocodile 8,012]

I'd like to hear a concert theme out of the original Imperial theme. Might be in a minority here.

I was also fond of TESB droid motif. Which is why I think it is a great shame Williams never used it again. It was perfect.

Karol

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Isn't the concert version of The Throne Room a Force theme suite of sorts?

Karol

No it isn't even close to a Force Theme concert arrangement. It is just one of the most bombastic appearances of the theme but has in itself only a short statement of the theme.

There are other much longer developed statements with B parts in the movies (see the force theme thread in the review board)

The closest thing to a concert version of the force theme is "For my ally is the Force." [Yoda And The Force, 0:58, 64sec] – Ethereal, Noble, Poignant, B - Part

I think the Force and Emperor themes deliberately have no concert movements. Fabulous as they are, I don't think they could carry a single lengthy piece as its main theme.

The "For my ally is the Force" Force Theme statement proves you otherwise. A little bit of extension and we would have a Force Theme concert arrangement with A and B parts

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

I disagree. There's one lengthy, slow statement of the theme in there. Nothing close to what you need to provide a full development of the theme, as in the other concert movements, and that necessitates a certain amount of repetition. I think the Force theme just isn't built to be repeated end to end on its own. It shows up all the time in the scores, often frequently within short amounts of time, but nearly always embedded in some context, and very much varied in tone and accompaniment to fit in there (there's even that awesome counterpoint version of it in TPM). I think Throne Room takes it as far as possible, and that relies on many other themes (obviously, being the end credits) to bind the whole thing together.

[SF1_freeze 131]

Well you only talk about the theme (A-Part) of the force theme but in the "My ally is the Force statement" you already have a B-Part in the end that would work absolutely perfect in a concert arrangement. The b-part would glue the different arrangements of the a parts together and voila you have your concert suite.

I dont understand why you even talk about the theme being repeated end to end when i specifically posted you an example of the theme where you have a completely different b-part after the usual Force Theme statement. You probably didnt listen closely enough. It sounds as if you didnt even recognize the b-part..

So for you Marian the specific timings

Track: "Yoda and the Force":

Force Theme A Part from 0:58-1:34

Force Theme B Part from 1:34-2:02

You see there is a completely different 29 sec long B-part. And you really believe that isn't enough for a concert arrangement????

[Red 75]

Cloud City, Trade Federation, and Qui-Gon's theme.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I feel like Emperor's Death is kinda close to an Emperor concert version. He fleshes that theme out pretty fully.

[Ricard 2,245]

Track: "Yoda and the Force":

Force Theme A Part from 0:58-1:34

Force Theme B Part from 1:34-2:02

You see there is a completely different 29 sec long B-part. And you really believe that isn't enough for a concert arrangement????

[ST-321 4]

The Force Theme of course!

[ComposerEthan 8]

General Grievous' Theme (even though Grievous speaks to Lord Sidious is one already).

I say they put all the droid (both the Arena and The Federation) motifs into one concert arrangement.

[gkgyver 1,645]

The Force Theme, duh.

I always considered "The Arena" as some sort of concert arrangement for the Trade Federation March.

IMO, the Emperor's Theme, Kamino motif etc are too short for a concert arrangement.

However, there is "Three Note Loop" from Sorcerer's Stone, so you never know.

[indy4 155]

The Force Theme, duh.

I always considered "The Arena" as some sort of concert arrangement for the Trade Federation March.

While the themes are related, they are stand alone ideas. The Trade Federation march is not heard in the "The Arena."

[Wojo 2,453]

I think some of these themes would better be served in a piece of music written as a set of variations on theme, or as a fugue where the short motif/theme is heard over and over again through various iterations until the big finish. The themes that lack concert themes are the ones that weren't long enough to warrant them in the first place.

The Chaconne from Gustav Holst's First Suite in Eb comes to mind as a solid example of such a variation on a theme.

That being said, I've grown fond of the original Imperial motif, even though the Imperial March is still the coolest thing since sliced bread. Lando's Theme is also a great theme, and it's a shame it was never heard from again.

[ComposerEthan 8]

Not to be stupid, but in what tracks is the "Droid Motif" from ESB and ROTJ heard in?

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TESB Droid motif for example in "Main Title, The Ice Planet Hoth" from 6:26 to 6:50

RoTJ Droid motif in "Main Title , Approaching The Death Star , Tatooine Rendezvous" from 6:42 to 7:45

[ComposerEthan 8]

Thanks!

[Ricard 2,245]

The Victory Fanfare from ROTJ ("The Return of the Jedi" a.k.a. "Sail Barge Assault" and "Through the Flames" a.k.a. "The Battle of Endor III") should be on that list. THAT would be an awesome concert arrangement.

[SF1_freeze 131]

Very true, what a fabulous fanfare. sadly JW probably doesnt even know that he has composed it at all...

[Faleel 5,348]

Is that the "fanfare" that horner stole for the 90's Universal logo? (the one that plays before BTTF 3)

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

Well you only talk about the theme (A-Part) of the force theme but in the "My ally is the Force statement" you already have a B-Part in the end that would work absolutely perfect in a concert arrangement. The b-part would glue the different arrangements of the a parts together and voila you have your concert suite.

I dont understand why you even talk about the theme being repeated end to end when i specifically posted you an example of the theme where you have a completely different b-part after the usual Force Theme statement. You probably didnt listen closely enough. It sounds as if you didnt even recognize the b-part..

So for you Marian the specific timings

Track: "Yoda and the Force":

Force Theme A Part from 0:58-1:34

Force Theme B Part from 1:34-2:02

You see there is a completely different 29 sec long B-part. And you really believe that isn't enough for a concert arrangement????

I really do. The B part is more like a middle section for the whole arrangement (like that wonderfully atonal (?) part in Across the Stars), but I don't see it tying multiple (more than two) statements of the Force theme together.