DreamTheater 131 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Most kids from non-English speaking countries are able to understand movies like E.T. in their original language. The exception are, of course, the few countries or areas where people grow up under the dictatorship of dubbing.E.T. téléphone maison!That just doesn't sound right. I don't envy all the dubbing communities (I live in part of one). Whatever they end up watching, it's always inferior when dubbed.I'm wondering how they do one-liners in certain films. Especially when spoken by an Austrian guy with an accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't even understand how you can judge an actors performance when his voice is dubbed by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 E.T. téléphone maison!That just doesn't sound right. I don't envy all the dubbing communities (I live in part of one). Whatever they end up watching, it's always inferior when dubbed.I'm wondering how they do one-liners in certain films. Especially when spoken by an Austrian guy with an accent.I don't know for other countries, but France and now Québec are the MASTERS of dubbing.I often listened some spanish dubbings on some DVD and Blu-ray and that's horrible, almost comical (voice and timming).French dubbings often correct bad acting in american movies, aside from improving the clarity of the dialogue track... and for many movies, the result is amazing.And for some cult tv series, the french dubbings made history, like the one for The Flintstones (Les Pierrafeu). In France due to the dubbing, the series was a failture, but in Québec, with Québec dubbing in "joual" (the Québécois argot), it was a huuuuge succcess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 In our country, we are beginning to see an increase in dubbing in dutch or flemish, like silly TV sitcoms for adolescents, and cartoons, and even certain high profile blockbusters. It's always pretty lame, and the actors and actresses always have these over-exaggerated voices. I don't understand how someone can enjoy those.For the french side of Belgium, everything is dubbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't even understand how you can judge an actors performance when his voice is dubbed by someone else.It's in the eyes. It's all in the eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 In our country, we are beginning to see an increase in dubbing in dutch or flemish, like silly TV sitcoms for adolescents, and cartoons, and even certain high profile blockbusters. It's always pretty lame, and the actors and actresses always have these over-exaggerated voices. I don't understand how someone can enjoy those.For the french side of Belgium, everything is dubbed.They tried it once, dubbing a German Krimi into Dutch. Looked horrible.Ofcourse programming for children is dubbed as has been forever.I remember the early Potter films having dubbed versions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't know for other countries, but France and now Québec are the MASTERS of dubbing.I've lived in France, and I know exactly what you mean. Dubbing provides the illusion of improving the actors' voices, etc.Some people will never understand this, because it's so linked to their culture, and that's how they're used to watch every single piece of media. But in the end, dubbing simply adds an extreme distortion that destroys the whole film (not just the sound track). You may enjoy it, but it's still crap (and I respect those who like crap, I like some crap myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I've lived in France, and I know exactly what you mean. Dubbing provides the illusion of improving the actors' voices, etc.Some people will never understand this, because it's so linked to their culture, and that's how they're used to watch every single piece of media. But in the end, dubbing simply adds an extreme distortion that destroys the whole film (not just the sound track). You may enjoy it, but it's still crap (and I respect those who like crap, I like some crap myself).But English is sooo ordinary comparing to French I see movies coming from all around the world when they are dubbed in french, compared to the majority of Americans who only see movies that are in english, period.After that, come to me and talk about what's linked to my culture... Mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Bespin, I'm not American.I see movies from all around the world, always in their original language, as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Don't mind Ricard, he's from....Wait...I'm not gonna go there Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I saw a Chinese film a few weeks ago, with subtitles. The Last Wolf, scored by James Horner.I seriously dont think I would have enjoyed or understood it any better if it was dubbed rather then subtitled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm wondering how they do one-liners in certain films. Especially when spoken by an Austrian guy with an accent.As far as I recall, Schwarzenegger's German dub voice is the same as Dan Aykroyd's.And Tom Hanks' is Eric Idle's. Always sounds goofy, even when he's in a dead serious role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Schwarzenegger doesnt dub himself into German? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 No. His German isn't much better than his English anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yet me made it so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I've seen it on the 2012 blu-ray in my home theater (which is much nicer than most of the theaters around me to be fair). Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I see movies from all around the world, always in their original language, as it should be.Indeed. Dubbing is just atrocious. Subtitles are lovely in their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I've only seen the 20th Anniversary version theatrically.I first saw E.T. on the green VHS as a baby. I last saw it in real life at the filming locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Going back to E.T. just a little...I hurried myself today and bought the 2012 Blu-ray after the almost religious theatrical experience from yesterday Well, the additional doctors' lines from the 2002 version are present on the 7.1 mix, but not on the original 2.0 stereo mix, yet the terrorist line are present on both mixes (thankfully the hippie line is all gone).Have Spielberg slipped his mind that the additional doctors' lines were only meant to be in the 2002 version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Honestly never noticed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yep, sounds weird, but they're both there.Even the subtitles match the additional lines, but not the original dialog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I saw " E.T." and "The Dark Crystal" as a double feature at the drive ins. Nightmares soon followed (I was 3) Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Don't mind Ricard, he's from....where Elton John's Daniel was flying?does this workSaw ET in May of 1982 a month before it's release. Couldn't wait for it's release in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I remember the summer of 82. I was looking forward to Poltergeist and E.T. the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I've lived in France, and I know exactly what you mean. Dubbing provides the illusion of improving the actors' voices, etc.Some people will never understand this, because it's so linked to their culture, and that's how they're used to watch every single piece of media. But in the end, dubbing simply adds an extreme distortion that destroys the whole film (not just the sound track). You may enjoy it, but it's still crap (and I respect those who like crap, I like some crap myself).While this is a widespread and legitimate opinion, i can assure you it is very true for a lot of german-dubbed movies 50's to 80's that they improved on the actor's not voice but acting.A lot of stars that were not particularly great actors got theatre-trained distinctly-voiced dubbing actors that were etched into the public's memory so i was actually shocked when dvd came around how many performances were at the very least different if not less distinct in their original version - of course you also get the fake studio atmosphere and translation mishaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Cross-language dubbing is useful for ONE thing and ONE thing only -- kiddie films (when the kids neither know the language used, nor know how to read properly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I see movies from all around the world, always in their original language, as it should be.Indeed. Dubbing is just atrocious.There are some exceptions, though. For example, animated movies/shows like The Simpsons often have excellent dubbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 8 times at the cinema in 1982/1983, once in 1986, and once in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I see movies from all around the world, always in their original language, as it should be.Indeed. Dubbing is just atrocious.There are some exceptions, though. For example, animated movies/shows like The Simpsons often have excellent dubbing.True. Pixars and Dreamworks are always dubbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Cross-language dubbing is useful for ONE thing and ONE thing only -- kiddie films (when the kids neither know the language used, nor know how to read properly).Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Showers make my skin itch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Bullshit!Trust me, kids have less trouble understanding a foreign language than adults!Kids are sponges, adults are water-repellent.When I was a kid I learned english by watching films in their original language, and by listening to pop songs.By the time I was in class to learn french (our second language) I was pretty fluent in english. Speaking, not so much writing.On the other hand, I don't think I would've learned much had I only watched asian language films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 On the other hand, I don't think I would've learned much had I only watched asian language films. You'll never know, since you never tried that and now you're too old to try!It's a shame, really. You could have been fluent in Japanese without following any Japanese course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 ArigatoKonichiwaI know 2 words, only a couple more to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Bullshit!Trust me, kids have less trouble understanding a foreign language than adults!Kids are sponges, adults are water-repellent. When I was a kid I learned english by watching films in their original language, and by listening to pop songs.By the time I was in class to learn french (our second language) I was pretty fluent in english. Speaking, not so much writing.On the other hand, I don't think I would've learned much had I only watched asian language films. I learned English from the TV!School taught me nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I want to know the ratio of foreign-language members compared to english-speaking ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Make a poll!The English spoken on the forum always struck me as rather ekselent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yes, good point about animation. That usually works well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yes, I saw it back in 1982. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Saw ET in 1982 in my local cinema and cried my eyes out. Saw it again in 2002 and this time cried into my chins. Damn you Spielberg. Saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Saw ET in 1982 in my local cinema and cried my eyes out. Saw it again in 2002 and this time cried into my chins. Damn you Spielberg. SawJohn Williams should be blamed too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Who's he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The webmaster of the now defunct John Williams Concertworks website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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