Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 So much potential, as Q would say. I miss Rick Berman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 At least Star Wars finally got a fun score from John Powell! Star Trek music continues to be boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, kaseykockroach said: At least Star Wars finally got a fun score from John Powell! Solo! Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Back in the good old days, Star Trek used to be about manly men conquering space. These days it's all these soy latte morons talking about their feelingth and girl power and thtuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 It's true that the drinks in Star Trek have gotten much less manly over the years. We've gone from Romulan Ale to Early Grey Tea to, as you said, soy lattes. The latter of which we can all agree is not manly at all. In fact, there's nothing less many than a soy latte. It's less manly than quiche and show tunes combined. So you've got a really good point there. Would you say the uniforms have gotten less manly as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,595 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 They could only have gotten less manly than pajamas showing off one's entire package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Actually the uniforms have improved over the years. The OS uniforms looked great and comfortable, but the TMP ones were so 70s yuck and the 80s movie uniforms looked so fucking impractical. I never cared for the TNG ones at all, but the ones in FC onwards are okay. I love the uniforms in the Abrams flicks. Look nice and comfy. I'm still on the fence about the Discovery uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 What about those coloured marshmallows they used to eat on TOS? Manly or not? Klingon Gagh. Now that's a manly meal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 40 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Klingon Gagh. Now that's a manly meal! Especially when served live! To address the topic, I was born right around the time Deep Space Nine started, and practically no one in my life was into Star Trek. It was only a few years ago that I was introduced. Watching The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, I marvel and imagine what it would've been like to watch such great science fiction week after week, as they aired. There's nothing I know that is quite like these two shows, and when Discovery was announced, I was excited to see Star Trek return to the television...from all accounts, however, it seems that Discovery is not my idea of Star Trek, and I certainly don't want to pay for CBS All Access to find out. Still, I hold hope for a Star Trek series that captivates the imagination, providing compelling and provoking scenarios that reflect the issues that can be difficult to face today, and makes us want to travel the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,697 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: ...the ones in FC onwards... "FC", Jerry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Richard said: "FC", Jerry? First Contact. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,697 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Yes, of course. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I was never a big STAR TREK fan in the first place, so very little disenchantment taking place. Silly "goofball" stuff. True, there was a period in my teens and early 20s when I saw the films and periodically TNG, but that's about it. Perhaps an episode or two of the other shows. However, I really liked the recent STAR TREK series on Netflix -- the first time I've really liked something related to this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Holko said: They could only have gotten less manly than pajamas showing off one's entire package. Is that a hypo-spray in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,661 Posted October 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2018 Yes, one must first be enchanted by Star Trek to become disenchanted. Kasey Kockroach, Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,697 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Oh, come on, guys, it's just a penis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Thor said: Silly "goofball" stuff. Either you saw the wrong episodes, or this is a very strange surface-level judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Honestly, I don't see how anyone can't like Star Trek, particularly TOS. Yeomen in short skirts, hand to hand combat, Gorns, green booze, starships, Spock, Shatner and space hippies. Men were men and sometimes women were too. What's not to love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,697 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Honestly, I don't see how anyone can't like Star Trek, particularly TOS. Yeomen in short skirts, hand to hand combat, Gorns, green booze, starships, Spock, Shatner and space hippies. Men were men and sometimes women were too. ...and small, furry creatures, from Alpha Centauri, were real small, furry creatures, from Alpha Centauri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,595 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Haven't gone past TOS; haven't had anything to disillusion me! (No, Spock's Brain, And the Children Shall Lead and Final Frontier don't count) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Holko said: Haven't gone past TOS; haven't had anything to disillusion me! (No, Spock's Brain, And the Children Shall Lead and Final Frontier don't count) DS9 brother. DS9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,595 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 The DVD boxset had the tribble-time-travel DS9 episode as an extra. It was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,697 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: DS9 brother. DS9. Yeah. DS9 doesn't do much for me, either, but I like VOYAGER. Heck, even ENTERPRISE got better, as it went along. Just don't watch the last episode. You have been warned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 57 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Either you saw the wrong episodes, or this is a very strange surface-level judgment. Nope. As I said earlier -- seen several episodes in all of the incarnations (esp. TNG), as well as all the films. I just don't like it very much, the whole 'camp' of it all. I tend to have a problem with 'pointy ear sci fi' in general (with a few exceptions, like BABYLON 5 and STAR WARS), if that's any comfort. But there are exceptions: I like the long, slow takes of TMP which everyone else hates, and I think the new Netflix series is quite good, which seems to be disliked by the hardcore ST fans. Probably because it's the most serious and dark of the lot, which is more up my alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Thor said: Nope. As I said earlier -- seen several episodes in all of the incarnations (esp. TNG), as well as all the films. I just don't like it very much, the whole 'camp' of it all. I tend to have a problem with 'pointy ear sci fi' in general (with a few exceptions, like BABYLON 5 and STAR WARS), if that's any comfort. But there are exceptions: I like the long, slow takes of TMP which everyone else hates, and I think the new Netflix series is quite good, which seems to be disliked by the hardcore ST fans. Probably because it's the most serious and dark of the lot, which is more up my alley. I don't understand exactly what you mean by camp--keep in mind I haven't watched the original series, though. Do you mean stuff like costumes? If you don't like the trappings, then of course that's your right, but I just don't see how one can just brush the content of the whole series as "camp". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,697 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 What on earth is St John Talbot doing dressed up as Chancellor Gorkon, dressed up as a Cardassian?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Thor regards Star Trek as "pointy ear sci-fi". Reveals a lot about his snooty Scando worldview! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 10 hours ago, Richard said: Oh, come on, girls, it's just a penis. That's what Brett Kavanagh said. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard said: What on earth is St John Talbot doing dressed up as Chancellor Gorkon, dressed up as a Cardassian?! And Ras Al Ghul! (Can I get a spell check on that?) Damn I wish I had a voice as cool as David Warner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 There's a thread in Other Topics letting men on. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I think Star Trek, much like Doctor Who had a time where it shone bright, but unlike Doctor Who which had to go through several evolutionary stages and took big risks, Star Trek had a heyday, ran it's course with TNG. DS9 and Voyager had some great moments but that felt like an extension of TNG. The films are good, not great, but good. I'm glad Abrams got to do the reboot, everything looks slick and futuristic and the performances are okay too. Everyone loves to hate on Giacchino, but they're some of his best scores, and some of the better scores of their respective years. I'm optimistic this little notch or groove we're stuck in now with the TV series will disappear and future Trek series beyond Discovery ( Beyond Discovery) will get back to making good shit. I actually think dear mattress from the other thread might have a better cause rallying against Trek than he does Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Arpy said: DS9... felt like an extension of TNG. Say wha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I'm more open to DOCTOR WHO (I've seen every single episode since the dawn of time; even the ones that only exist as audio!) -- also extremely campy at times, but there's something about the writing and the "Britishness" of it all that ables me to look beyond those quirks in a way I can't with STAR TREK. I just think I'm almost biologically adverse to everything STAR TREK is and stands for. And moreso now than in my formative years, when I was still searching for my sci fi prefences or "voice". To make me even more unpopular, I can also use this opportunity to say that I don't like James Bond. Except for the Craig movies, which are more JASON BOURNE in style. And to a certain extent the Brosnans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thor said: I just think I'm almost biologically adverse to everything STAR TREK is and stands for. You're against exploring strange new worlds and cerebral ideas? Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Star Trek was never good enough for me to become disenchanted with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, Thor said: Except for the Craig movies, which are more JASON BOURNE in style. QoS is very strongly Bourne influenced. The others are not How is Skyfall like Bourne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Less camp, more serious, "realistic" action, characters and locales. This is true for all Craig Bonds, thankfully. I've always had an extreme issue with 'camp', especially unintentional. Other values need to be ridiculously good in order to cover over that. I didn't watch Bond films during my childhood or formative years, so I have no nostalgic connection to them. I watched them for the first time as an adult, and just saw straight through their sheer stupidity. STAR TREK is a bit different. They had a kind of mild appeal as a youngster and young adult, but then the disenchantment came around the mid 2000s or thereabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Thor said: Less camp, more serious, "realistic" action, characters and locales. That's a very different thing than being "Bourne inspired". Skyfall is Nolan inspired if anything. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Thor said: Less camp, more serious, "realistic" action, characters and locales. and much more emphasis on the brutality of the action scenes. I'm thinking Casino Royale, especially. 25 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Skyfall is Nolan inspired if anything. The move to more serious, somber and more dramatic cinema hardly started with Nolan. Its a natural progression or maturation of the art-form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Dark and disturbing cinema... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 More dramatic, is how I like to call it. We've just been moving from more pure action films, to action-dramas of sorts. And you can't have drama without significant and profound low points for the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, Stefancos said: That's a very different thing than being "Bourne inspired". Skyfall is Nolan inspired if anything. The whole Craig era is heavily inspired by Bourne. Again, I'm not only talking about the action sequences, but the music, the way the "exotic" locales is photographed, the more nuanced villains and characters and so on and so forth. And yes, that includes SKYFALL. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,011 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Mendes' sense of action is much more fluid, though, and his color palette less desaturated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: Mendes' sense of action is much more fluid, though, and his color palette less desaturated. True. They're not carbon copies. They are just -- like all post-Bourne action movies, also outside Bond -- inspired by the whole philosophy and approach of the seminal Liman film from 2002. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 4:42 AM, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Back in the good old days, Star Trek used to be about manly men conquering space. These days it's all these soy latte morons talking about their feelingth and girl power and thtuff. Oh god just stop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 He's got a point Quintus. Have you ever noticed that the hull of the Enterprise has gotten less and less phallic over the years? Don't even get me started on the shape of the Enterprise D deflector dish. You can't unsee that. I think it's time we start taking Drax and Mattris seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Hey at least I like TLJ! I'm tho progrethive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: He's got a point Quintus. Regardless, you've got a much greater threshold for broken records than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,838 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Quintus said: Regardless, you've got a much greater threshold for broken records than I do. Don't make me start adding lame winks to the end of these posts! Takes the piss out of the whole thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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