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Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2019 There's nothing quite like hearing the music live! bollemanneke, rpvee, MikeH and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,087 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 There's something inherently magical about being in the same space with the musicians and hearing them speak through their instruments. I've never heard any configuration of recording and playback equipment that can replicate that feeling. So live concerts will always have that (very significant) appeal for me. That being said, I do tend to get a little attached to whatever performance I hear first and/or most often, so sometimes the differing artistic interpretation in a live concert setting can throw me off a little. (Same goes for rerecordings, for that matter.) Another factor to consider is that in a live setting, any attempts to "mix" the music differently or add electronic elements will necessitate amplification, which starts to move the feeling closer to a recording anyway. And then of course, a film recording is going to consist of one or more takes that were selected for their superior performance; with live music, you get what you get, and then the moment passes. Bottom line, I love hearing music that's been skillfully recorded and I love hearing music that's being skillfully played live. But they do appeal to me for slightly different reasons. Larry O and aviazn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I find that because I am always more familiar with the recording, if the music is a little but different in say pitch or or tempo or something in a concert, it throws me off a little. But I think it is good to listen to multiple versions as it drives home the fact that one recording is not the absolute, but the actual written music is. It can be interpreted multiple different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 There obviously is nothing that can match the experience of a live concert, with the energy of a live audience. Having said that, I attended multiple concerts with JW and the Boston Pops when I lived in Boston a few years back and in each one found the tempos Williams chose in some pieces to be significantly slower than the original recordings. Of course, it’s all subjective, and it’s certainly not unheard of for conductors to relax tempos as they get older. But they were significantly slower to the point where I felt they were quite sluggish, and would definitely prefer the original recording. The most memorable performance of any Williams piece I ever heard live was of the Close Encounters suite with Osmo Vänksä and the Minnesota Orchestra—and I’d take that performance, as subjective as any live piece is—over any of the recordings. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 There is something special about hearing The Maestro conduct his own iconic music in concert. Equally exciting is watching him at work. Unfortunately, since he works on high profile franchises, these are never open sessions and performers are sworn to secrecy at the fear of career death if they talk publicly about the experience. One day, I hope Spielberg will release some of the hours of footage he took during scoring sessions. I posted an interview with a performer who grew up loving JW and how excited he was to perform under him here (Randy Campora/BSO) and here (Jim Nova/PSO) if you are interested. Looking for my own recollections of his week at USC which I'll post when I find. I have heard JW conduct many times and others conduct his music probably even more so. Then of course own many of the CD's over the years. They can certainly be fine, just different. For example, I think Charles Gerhardt's and Zubin Mehta's contemporaneous recordings are excellent but differ from Williams own. Gerhardt and Mehta are more sweepingly romantic and operatic in a Wagner/Puccini way. That certainly fits the music and makes it far more lush. For example, they might have more rubato or variation of the tempo within a phrase in a way that opera conductors typically have to do. For the Princess Leia theme, it has a sort of Tristan und Isolde build up towards the sweeping climax and these opera composers really hit the breaks reveling in that drama. Williams' own interpretations are full of rubato but the end feel is that they are taughter so the rubato might be more for hitting a specific hit where it is phrased freely between. My point is it is very possible to enjoy these different interpretations though the JW version adds a considerable IT-factor to the experience. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'd say the Mehta recording doesn't hold up that well. Gerhardt's and Kojian's, on the other hand, do in spades. On 2/3/2019 at 7:00 AM, Stefancos said: There's nothing quite like hearing the music live! ...and that can really be said about all orchestral music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stempel 136 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 The best Interpretation of the SW Main Title: Morton Gould / LSO (1978) I like Gerhardt' Empire more than the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Stempel said: I like Gerhardt' Empire more than the OST. Me too! Stempel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ii2 210 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I prefer OST. In concert, composers tend to change the music a bit and it doesn't really sound the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 9:28 AM, Ii2 said: I prefer OST. In concert, composers tend to change the music a bit and it doesn't really sound the same. When I experienced Williams doing the HP suite live, they sounded so close to the recorded versions, it was like hearing the OSTs on a really great sound system. Ii2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: When I experienced Williams doing the HP suite live, they sounded so close to the recorded versions, it was like hearing the OSTs on a really great sound system. Maybe they were just playing the instruments silently and had the CD going to cover themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,846 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Being in person with the orchestra is an experience that cannot be matched but outside of that I usually prefer studio recordings to concert recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I like both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 1:29 PM, aviazn said: The most memorable performance of any Williams piece I ever heard live was of the Close Encounters suite with Osmo Vänksä and the Minnesota Orchestra—and I’d take that performance, as subjective as any live piece is—over any of the recordings. That is interesting!! My favorite score!! I played in the Lahti symphony orchestra(Finland) some Jurassic Park music and the sheet music was owned by his company, he must be a fan!! btw it is Vänskä🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 For Williams nothing matches the OST performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 The Erich Kunzel version of Spacecamp is better than the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 1:27 PM, Fabulin said: Uh, ok... I will look around for them. I found Gerhard's Han Solo and The Princess and it was very nice Here you go I've never heard this version before and it is certainly bold. I like it! edit: Wow it gets really stately, too. And quiet! The dynamics in this recording are really impressive. Not just in terms of recording, but in the way the orchestra is performing the material. few mistakes here and there though. And a pretty iffy transition to the end title suite Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,715 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 So the question is this: Is a live concert, conducted by X, better than a recorded counterpart, conducted by JW that you listen to at home? Jeez, it’s impossible to answer. It’s two different things. I attended the LSO London concert last year, and if I could take that home with me, I’d have those poor players playing the damn thing over and over again until they keeled over from exhaustion. If only my apartment were as big as the Royal Albert! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Are apples better than oranges? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,715 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Of course! But what if you eat them at the same time... Double payoff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Oranges are more nutritious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,715 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 And apples have the crunch - perfect combo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 But apple is also the name of a stupid computer company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 And Gwyneth Paltrow's daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 My previous statement was incorrect, there'a some exceptions where Williams composed a better version after the OST was out: Double Trouble Irina's Theme Window to the Past Han Solo and the Princess Out to Sea/Shark Cage Fugue The Lost World etc... But when he didn't alter it the OST is usually better Or he might have altered it for the worse, like Adventures on Earth,and CE3K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 How is Adventures of Earth worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 it doesn't have the ouch insert, and in general the perfomance is always subpar to the OST with the strings especially CE3K never has the choir in concert, the 5 note theme opening the End Credits is different (similar case to ouch insert in E.T.) and no Special Edition When you Wish upon a Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,595 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Adventures leaves out the buildup and the fantastic transition (Escape-Bike Chase), messes with the structure (we have the buildup to Flying but fall flat on our asses and go right into Departure?) and always fails to be better performed than the original film takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,715 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, King Mark said: Double Trouble Window to the Past Out to Sea/Shark Cage Fugue Which versions here are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,595 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Out to Sea/Shark Cage Fugue is indeed one of the most ingenius combinations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Same goes for Plaza Hotel and Duncan's Toy Chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,715 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Home Alone 2 OST FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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