fommes 165 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Hehe, no, indeed. I was thinking more about Kunzel-type rerecordings.Another quick question that's been bugging me for a while now: what's the best way to split up into the tracks again a lossless rip in flac of a CD that has been encoded as one flac file?In foobar I can just see the separate files and then convert them again to flac as separate files - but there has to be a more logical way (that is just splitting up instead of converting again)?
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 If you have the .CUE file you can use a program to split them. EAC does it, but I use Medieval CUE Splitter and it works a treat.
fommes 165 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Yep the CUE file is there. How do you split it with EAC?
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Under "Tools" there's an option 'Split WAV by CUE sheet'. But you have to convert the FLAC to WAV first (I use Winamp for that).
Jay 46,244 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Why would you use winamp to convert from FLAC to WAV instead of the FLAC Frontend?
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 Didn't know there was a FLAC frontend, to be honest. I don't use it generally.
fommes 165 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Thanks Charlie B.!One last question: which option do you take under "Split WAV"? "Individual Index"?In this case, I think the .cue file is defunct (it doesn't work in foobar either). I just don't get why people rip CDs as 1 file. Such a hassle!
Wojo 2,458 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Maybe so they can make the ripped file have the same system of gaps between tracks as the CDs, rather than relying on the intro/outtro of individual tracks. Or they have experience with misplacing individual songs from the album. That's why I never cared for using track numbers of 17/18 instead of just 17. It's hard to lose a single super track, and if you do, you'll know it.
Rachael Foley 10,164 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Can Blu-Rays have channel rips? are they cleaner?
fommes 165 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Can Blu-Rays have channel rips? are they cleaner?Presumably: yes; and no, but sound quality should be better.
Marian Schedenig 11,695 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 I just don't get why people rip CDs as 1 file. Such a hassle!Probably to get a 1:1 copy of the CD. If you burn the data back to a CDR using the CUE file, I assume you end up with exactly what was on the original disc (except for any error correction happening during the ripping process, obviously).
Taikomochi 1,461 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Is there any real difference between "Store Memories and Monica's Theme" and "The Mecha World" on the academy promo versus the album? I know the promo has slightly longer tracks, but I can' think of any way they are different otherwise...
Naïve Old Fart 13,025 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Is there any real difference between "Store Memories and Monica's Theme" and "The Mecha World" on the academy promo versus the album? I know the promo has slightly longer tracks, but I can't think of any way they are different otherwise...If memory serves, they are both the same version, yet are both different from the film version, which is slightly re-arranged for the flight around Manhattan, and also has more of that "creepy" music when David meets David.On a not-unconnected subject, does anyone know where I can find a good rip of both the "Dr. Know" music, and the piece that starts when Jude Law says: "They hate us, you know; the Humans"?
Taikomochi 1,461 Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Then what accounts for the extra 40 seconds on the academy promo for "Mecha World" and the extra 40 seconds for "Stored Memories Monica's Theme" on the promo?
fommes 165 Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 I just don't get why people rip CDs as 1 file. Such a hassle!Probably to get a 1:1 copy of the CD. If you burn the data back to a CDR using the CUE file, I assume you end up with exactly what was on the original disc (except for any error correction happening during the ripping process, obviously).Yeah but if you rip it in WAV/FLAC/lossless, isn't it an exact copy as well concerning the gaps between tracks etc.? Also, you don't see individual tracks if you rip it into one file, and in this day of iPod/PC/etc. playing, that's just weird.
Marian Schedenig 11,695 Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 You get 1:1 copies of the audio in individual tracks, but you don't get correct index marks etc. when re-burning the CD.Also, there are players that can handle CUE files. I believe Amarok does it (though from what I've read it still seems to be buggy), and I know there are others. In the end, you'd end up seeing just the same thing as if you'd ripped to individual files, but you also have all the information to exactly reproduce the CD.
Wojo 2,458 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Well I finally did it. I tagged every single Ron Jones TNG album and put them onto my iPod......only to find the album is viewed as "Star Trek TNG 1x03 Th..." Nuts. The track title scrolls, but the artist and album names do not.Did any recent iPod firmware update change that?Otherwise, back to the drawing board.
Mr. Breathmask 624 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Artist and album names have never scrolled on the iPod.
Wojo 2,458 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Then I think it's time I did something about it.Or not. Rockbox won't work with iPod Classic. Blatherskite.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Who cares? Do you sit there staring at the screen for the entirety of the track?
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Who cares? Do you sit there staring at the screen for the entirety of the track?Obviously Wojo cares. And yes, he does.
Jay 46,244 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 It's EXTREMELY annoying to me that the album and artist name is wedged into a small area of the screen on ipod Classics and they don't scroll. If I'm shuffling through stuff, I want to be able to glance and know what I'm listening to
Rachael Foley 10,164 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 since you are such good film music fans, shouldn't you be able to tell who you are listening to without reading it?
Ollie 1,375 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Age and over a 1000 film scores make it difficult at times.
Wojo 2,458 Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Who cares? Do you sit there staring at the screen for the entirety of the track?How dense.I casually glanced at my iPod after listening to three hours of Ron Jones' Star Trek TNG music without any idea what episode I was listening to. "Star Trek TNG 1x09 Th..." doesn't tell me jack shit. Neither do the custom covers that I got from an FSM thread that show the season number and production number (which is wrong, by the way), but made the episode name as tiny as tiny can be.The Ron Jones set is 14 discs constituting 40-some episodes plus two video games. My choices for creating albums were a single 500+ track album, 14 individual albums, or 40-some albums; I opted for the 40-some albums plus a playlist, and am listening to the playlist. I don't remember all of the episodes as well as I ought to, so knowing which episode I'm listening to would help jog my memory. Not even sticking the main/end titles where they belong would help.Forgive me for being interested in trying to find a workaround in an obvious product flaw.Why tag music at all if there aren't better ways to manage it on the go? Just stick to CD players, with Track 1, Track 2, etc? Yay.since your such good fans, shouldnt you be able to tell who you are listening to without reading it?Whose good fans? My good fans? You just sound like a real dummy writing a "sentence" like that."Who" was never in question. Ron Jones is the artist. The specific episode, the "album" if you will, is at hand because that adds value to the music. I "know" it's the Ron Jones Project, I saw the $150 hit on the credit card and the box is on the shelf. Making that the album name is stupid. And the discs themselves also add no relevant information on naming the albums. The set consists of 14 discs because [Total amount of music] / (70-80 minute CDs) = 14
Muad'Dib 2,059 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I remember reading not too long ago that a certain piece inspired the amazing "You Are the Pan". Anybody knows which?
Omen II 1,300 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I remember reading not too long ago that a certain piece inspired the amazing "You Are the Pan". Anybody knows which?There is a bit in Georges Delerue's score for Agnes of God that sounds very similar melodically. Others will know better if this was inspiration (e.g. from a temp track) or a serendipitous coincidence.
Delorean90 47 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 What part of Agnes of God influenced what part of "You Are the Pan"? Are we talking about the real "You Are the Pan," or "The Face of Pan"?
Ollie 1,375 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Prepare to be shocked. I wish someone would get around to re-releasing / expanding / remastering of some of his older releases that were issued on Varese.
Datameister 2,586 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Whoa.As usual, Williams does it better, but still. Gotta be temp love. In any case, it's no coincidence.
Ollie 1,375 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Whoa.As usual, Williams does it better, but still.No, I'll strongly disagree. Delereue's is much better.And here's Banning Back Home, more than likely:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=856AKiIcrSU&feature=related
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Delerue's music is wonderful. I wish he had more name recognition sometimes.
Datameister 2,586 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 No, I'll strongly disagree. Delereue's is much better.Perhaps if I'd heard his first, or if I were more of a Delerue fan, I'd agree.And here's Banning Back Home, more than likely:http://www.youtube.c...feature=relatedI did know about "Mountain Dance." Also clearly not a coincidence. And yet again, I manage to prefer Williams' take, even though it lacks originality, and the original is quite good...
Ollie 1,375 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 It's probably the only track from Hook I don't care for, although Hook was never one of my favorites. It's good but not up there with the rest of Williams best.One, I'd heard the cue before, which turned out to be Grusin's and it feels way out of place when compared to the rest of the score. Bad decision by Williams and Spielberg.Delerue's music is wonderful. I wish he had more name recognition sometimes.I try and promote him. But yes I agree, a unique voice who had a penchant for writing some of the loveliest themes that no other composer could match. I even find his original music for Platoon much more satisfying than Barber's Adagio that Stone ended up using.
Jay 46,244 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I think it works fine as background music for those scenes in the film, but didn't need to be on the OST when we could have gotten more Ultimate War or some other music in its place
Muad'Dib 2,059 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Thanks guys! Personally, I think both sound amazing in their own way. The addition of a choir in Williams version really adds a lot of power to it. Maybe that's it why some of us like it better PS: Both remind me a lot of Land's "The Dig", by the way.
Naïve Old Fart 13,025 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I've just listened to the Delerue, and Grusin tracks. Well, bugger me sideways with a rusty photocopier!! It just goes to show what I've been saying all along - J.W. is no more than a talentless hack rip-off merchant!!! If these were temp-tracks, then I can assume that this was what Spielberg wanted to hear, so don't blame J.W. if it sounds..."borrowed".
Rachael Foley 10,164 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 So basically all of his scores should win for best ADAPTED score?
Andy 7,732 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I refuse to click on the Agnes of God track, because everybody knows Williams is God.
Naïve Old Fart 13,025 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 So basically all of his scores should win for best ADAPTED score?Well, that's one way of looking at it! I suppose that all composers "borrow" from each other, from time to time, but it's how they turn it into something that is uniquely their own that is, for me, the amazing bit.
Jeff 10 Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 I listened to the tracks and I'm not convinced that this is a big deal. The style is very similar - instrumentation, certain flourishes and chord progressions. The elements may be "borrowed." But Williams' melodies are better in both cases. His tracks feel more complete. I don't think this is much different than Mozart and Clementi writing sonatinas - most sonatinas follow a similar format, and an untrained ear may not be able to distinguish one master's work from the other. I have to add that especially in Grusin's case, the style is very unique. If Grusin came up with the style in the first place, he deserves a small place in history (maybe in the appendix) for developing that sound. However, I'm not too familiar with that genre, so I really can't say how significant his work is.
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 I refuse to click on the Agnes of God track, because everybody knows Williams is God.You can't spell Goldsmith without Goldsmith.
Rachael Foley 10,164 Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 so Williams is Goldsmith!!?? BTW i heard that this is good for removing nois, has anyone tested it yet: http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/rx/ ?
Ollie 1,375 Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 The whole point was to show that even Williams isn't immune to temp tracking and in this case he stuck a tad bit too close to the original. He's not the only big composer to have done this either.So everyone relax and calm down. However it probably does prove a point, JW could take any song and copy it note for note, no changes, and his version would be considered better by most here.
Datameister 2,586 Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 However it probably does prove a point, JW could take any song and copy it note for note, no changes, and his version would be considered better by most here.Not really. It does prove that in at least two cases, he could tweak it a little and be considered marginally better by me, though.
Xander Harris 9,677 Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 I could have sworn I heard Banning Back Home during the local forecast.
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