Jay 46,244 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 YepThe more and more I think about this film, the more and more I despise it. It just gets worse and worse the more you think about it. Nothing in the movie makes any sense.
Xander Harris 9,676 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 That looks terrible. Like Venom crossed with one of the ID4 or 2005 War of the Worlds aliens.It's not even phallic. Not the Alien.
Jay 46,244 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Yea, that's what you're supposed to think.Why was there a giant human head sculpture in the ship? Why were some of the canisters of alien goo surrounding it, and the rest were in a cargo hold? The more you think about the film, the more you realized is just thrown in with no explanation at all.I'm not saying everything in the original Alien movie was explained, but it was all presented different. You didn't need to know the answers to everything. In this film, the characters themselves in the movie constantly ask questions about what's going on and they never get answered - or they come up with the answers on their own with no reason why. It's completely different.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 that's why I believe it's not the ALIEN, it is something similar, but the real ALIEN has already been created. Like Jason said, each urn contained something different. The engineer ship in Alien has been there a long time.
BTR1701 60 Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 I liked how Scott snuck about 30 seconds of Goldsmith's ALIEN them into the score, during the holographic briefing scene with Weyland.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 From Ridley:"So I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. As she says, 'This is not what I thought it was going to be, and I think we should get the Hell out of here or there won't be any place to go back to.'That's not necessarily planted in the ground at the tail end of the third act, but I knew that's kind of where we should go, because if we've opened up this door -- which I hope we have because I certainly would like to do another one - I'd love to explore where the hell [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous. In a funny kind of way, if you look at the Engineers, they're tall and elegant ... they are dark angels. If you look at [John Milton's] Paradise Lost, the guys who have the best time in the story are the dark angels, not God. He goes to all the best nightclubs, he's better looking, and he gets all of the birds."
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 Apologies, didn't go to the link the first time, just read your quote. Most interesting part for me was that he always had it planned to lead into a sequel. Wonder how long that one will take.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 no one want's a sequel to his awful Robin Hood.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 Actually Robin Hood ended right when it was getting interesting. The story of him becoming the legend was boring.I've never heard of anyone talking about a sequel to American Gangster. What the hell would it be about? It chronicles both of their lives in the way Catch Me If You Can does.
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 Fuck that. Ridley's got to get started on 1493.
crumbs 16,007 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 He talked about Gladiator 2 for a long time, also. Sadly, I don't see Prometheus 2 ever happening. Between the moderate box office results and the seemingly bad word of mouth online (even though most people I know seemed to like it lots), I think the film shot itself in the foot by leaving too many unanswered questions and having so much illogical character motivation. Either the film was cut to shreds in the editing bay by Fox, or the screenplay was just truly awful.There was definitely more to the film during Fifield's re-emergence as a mutant though. Originally Weyland was meant to be escaping the ship to get to the temple, and his personal bodyguards got involved in the scuffle while Weyland tried to get on the transport vehicle. Elizabeth was the one who originally reversed over Fifield, killing him. I don't think any of that made the final cut, but that whole sequence was atrociously edited. I couldn't tell what the hell was going on for a good 15 minutes or so after the medpod scene.
crocodile 9,724 Posted June 16, 2012 Author Posted June 16, 2012 Maybe, but none of the Alien films (or Predator films, for that matter) were ever truly a smashing box office hits. THey make their money, but not much more. Which makes it even stranger why they keep making them....Karol
BTR1701 60 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 Maybe, but none of the Alien films (or Predator films, for that matter) were ever truly a smashing box office hits. THey make their money, but not much more. Which makes it even stranger why they keep making them....Cameron's ALIENS was a pretty serious box office smash the summer it came out. It was all anyone was talking about and everyone I know was seeing it multiple times.
crocodile 9,724 Posted June 16, 2012 Author Posted June 16, 2012 $131 million worldwide is hardly smashing, even in the 80's.Karol
BTR1701 60 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 $131 million worldwide is hardly smashing, even in the 80's.All I'm saying is that it was big event film of that summer. And it certainly made enough money to warrant further sequels.
Quintus 6,499 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 You're wrong here, Croc. In 1986 Aliens was something of an R Rated phenomenon. The film was huge, almost like an 'event'.Predator was nowhere near on that sort of level upon its own release.
crocodile 9,724 Posted June 16, 2012 Author Posted June 16, 2012 And yet it is nowhere to be found on the adjusted for inflation top 200 list.I'm not debating fan following, I'm talking about the numbers.Even the original series producers said they couldn't afford to make really expensive films, cause they were never ever to break any records. That's what they said. Who are we to argue with them?Karol KK 1
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 lee is wrong, as he often is. Aliens did well, but it wasn't anywhere near the smash box-office sensation he makes it out to be.
Quintus 6,499 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 I don't know anything about the numbers. But I know there was a huge buzz about the movie for the whole summer. How? Because I'm not the only one who is interested in movies in my family. My mother is reliably enthusiastic and informative when sharing her movie memories and the world at the time. I particularly love her Jaws stories. If I remember rightly there's even mention of this 'buzz' on the dvd doc. Behave yourself ignorant dutchman, it's you who has a track record in pulling things out of your arse on this board. Shall I unleash the BloodBoal?
publicist 4,650 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 ALIENS had a BO of 78 million in 1986 (US) and 46 million (rest of the world). Man, the times, they have changed...
Quintus 6,499 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 BOMojo has it at 85 Domestic. It cost a paltry 18mil to make. Imagine that now!
publicist 4,650 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 That's about the cost of Kristen Stewart's wardrobe now...
Alejandro 31 Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 The music sounded SO familiar. Then I listened to The Ancestral Home from The River by Williams. Ah-ha!
publicist 4,650 Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 So you listened to a wide-eyed horn piece from PROMETHEUS and then to a sweeping americana melody and found..what?
crumbs 16,007 Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 The soundtrack seems to have either a lot of alternates or there was just a lot of tracking in the film itself. Much of the soundtrack doesn't sync up with the film. "Birth" is completely different, for example.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 $131 million worldwide is hardly smashing, even in the 80's.Karolactually it is.1986 was not a film year full of gigantic boxoffice hits. Aliens was in the top 10 and no film reached 177mil (Top Gun was top).
A24 5,156 Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Richard Roeper: "Brilliant. Epic. Haunting. Grotesque. Great."
Jay 46,244 Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Are you going to trek to the theater and see it?
A24 5,156 Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 To be honest, I'm thinking about it but my son will kill me if I go without him.
Thor 9,362 Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 The film was certainly anticipated here in Norway (we're still talking about PROMETHEUS, right?). In fact, it was a segment in the Nightly News on June 1 (the day of the premiere) on NRK, which is our equivalent to the BBC, where yours truly popped up as the interviewee (beginning and end of segment):http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/307131/
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 Alright I saw the movie. I was very disappointing because I thought most of the plot or character's actions made no sense whatsoeverWell, I just spent the last 3 hours reading "plot explanations" online only to find out the film is full of pseudo-religious allegories, none of which are explained or make any sense in the context of the film itself or the subsequent Alien films
publicist 4,650 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 But old Ridders got his 'weighty' sc-fi movie at the ripe age of 74, so that must at least account for something...
BLUMENKOHL 1,110 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 Ridley is 74? Good god, I feel old. When I first discovered his work...he was ~55.
A24 5,156 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 Alright I saw the movie. I was very disappointing because I thought most of the plot or character's actions made no sense whatsoeverBut you like Sucker Punch?!
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 It's not the same type of film. Sucker Punch is not complicated . Girl in mental institution about to get a lobotomy escapes reality by dreaming up an escape plan and videogame like sequences to execute it.It's seems you are pre-defending Prometheus before having seen it.A movie should be enjoyable on it's own, not having to read hours of theories of what it's about on the internet (and none of these fanboys theories are conclusive) . But this is NOT like Inception where all the elements to understand it are in the film if you pay attention.I think some of the explanations are in cut scenes somewhere The way I saw it, the engineers were crazy good at bioengineering, and invented tons of life forms, a different one being in each canister in the caves (on the ship). The film was about these humans being attacked by the creatures from one of the canisters, and the original Alien and its sequels were about a completely different creature from another canister. I thought that the film would end with the ship taking off, crash landing on LV-426, and a canister rolling open with a face-hugger popping out. Oh really? Well it seems your the first one that brings that up in many other explanation I've read. So it's only one theory. To other people the canisters were just all full of primordial black goo that can transform into anything, some form of genetic accelerator that was being weaponized on that planet. I assume the Engineer in the movie's opening sacrificed himself by drinking it in order to create life and humans on Earth (the original purpose of the goo) , but those guys on LV223 were making it into a weapon. And we don't know what killed them exactly, just that they were running from something and all the dead ones had their chests burst open like the alien xenomorphs do. The xenomorph is depicted on a mural so we assume it's a well established species and not just one out of a random container
A24 5,156 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 It's not the same type of film. Sucker Punch is not complicated . Girl in mental institution about to get a lobotomy escapes reality by dreaming up an escape plan and videogame like sequences to execute it.It's seems you are pre-defending Prometheus before having seen it.It's just that you've pinpointed the reason why Sucker Punch was massively destroyed by critics and audiences.
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 I had the same problem with the original Alien film when I rewatched it the other week, actually - and it was my only problem with the film. I wish we had seen the alien grow up in stages from chestburster to full size.... like its cat-sized when it kills Brett, then slightly bigger when it kills Dallas, etc, maybe showing that it eats its early victims to stay alive.Me too. No it's not "cat size" when it kills Brett , it's full size. you can see that in production stills. He's just hanging inverted from a beam. He's chestburster size then full size in the next scene we see him. Unless he ate rats or other small animals we don't see on the ship he had no food. Hmm, actually we've never seen one "eat" a person in any films, so maybe they eat non-organic matter laying around on the shipIt's not the same type of film. Sucker Punch is not complicated . Girl in mental institution about to get a lobotomy escapes reality by dreaming up an escape plan and videogame like sequences to execute it.It's seems you are pre-defending Prometheus before having seen it.It's just that you've pinpointed the reason why Sucker Punch was massively destroyed by critics and audiences.He it's not a classic by any means and I'll never re-watch it again , but I got the same type of enjoyment as lets say "Battleship" last weekPrometheus just has an horrible screenplay and considering the expectations it's a disaster. It's exactly the same reason why were not so forgiving for the screenplays of Indiana Jones 4 and the Star Wars PrequelsI liked how Scott snuck about 30 seconds of Goldsmith's ALIEN them into the score, during the holographic briefing scene with Weyland.Yeah but those quotes made no sense in context of the film
Quintus 6,499 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 That Battleship movie does look good for a laugh, I'll watch it.
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 It is. it doesn't take itself seriously and some scenes are over the top funny, but not in a "stupid" way like Transformers or shit movies like Battle LA
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 22, 2012 Posted June 22, 2012 Not too memorable. The guy from John Carter is funny
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