Wojo 2,453 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If you don't like someone's style, what makes you think you'll like it later on, especially in a franchise situation like this?Because someone may not like John Williams' style in Episodes I, II, or III, but they may like the work he did on the later episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 More soundtrack samples:http://www.superhero...ght-rises-scoreTaking the music for what it is so far, "Mind If I Cut In" and "The Fire Rises" seem to be standouts so far. I also like some of the electronic colors he's using, particularly the distant, airy treatment of the minor third motive in "On Thin Ice." Also, just got to "Fear Will Find You," and it's nice to hear some trumpet action in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Bits of these samples are a bit better.I think the commercial release might favour the more atmpsheric and synthy/ritmic parts of the score over more stuff like Mind if I cut In? that might as well be perfectly present on the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Pleasantly surprised to hear an actual acoustic cello in "Mind If I Cut In?". I find it a bit absurd that the 30-second sample covers the entirety of "Death By Exile" with room to spare. Why have a track that's so short? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 More samples, I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or nothttp://watertowermusic.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or nothttp://watertowermus...search=WTM39313When the full score is released, even then people won't be able to say which track is from which film when confronted with a random piece of "music" from any of the scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 If you don't like someone's style, what makes you think you'll like it later on, especially in a franchise situation like this?Because someone may not like John Williams' style in Episodes I, II, or III, but they may like the work he did on the later episodes. I find most of Dead Man's Chest rather rubbish, but I really enjoy At World's End - there was a huge stylistic difference between those two scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 More samples, I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or nothttp://watertowermus...search=WTM39313omg, if noise has a name it must be Hanz Zimmer. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 More samples, I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or nothttp://watertowermus...search=WTM39313omg, if noise has a name it must be Hanz Zimmer.Hahahaha. Rotflmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Just listened to these 60-second samples from the score. And while most people here won't like whatever Zimmer comes up with, I can hear some developments of the material from the previous two scores. Sounds like Zimmer managed to expand the palette to make it sound more fresh than I expected. I like that, surprisingly. Also, shorter albums usually serve his work better.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Full album available in streaming:http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34498 Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Sweet!!!! Going to make bfast and listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I like it actually. The farther Zimmer is willing to go away from the traditional orchestral music, the better his work is. IMO, of course.It is, of course, much different from my usual stew. But I appreciate it. There's some nice ideas in there and some new twists on the old ones.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'm listening to the score right now. It's less murky and atonal than The Dark Knight, but a lot of it re-arranges material from Batman Begins and TDK again (especially in "Nothing Out There" and "Despair"). I get why James Newton Howard opted not to join the final film, but his more human touch is sorely missing here.That said, it gets good whenever Hans does something new, like the acoustic cello and mischievous piano in "May I Cut in?" and obviously the choral chanting for Bane. But... sadly, it's just Zimmer on autopilot for the most part. Seriously, Nolan, this is why some film music fans hate Zimmer -- because people like you chain him down and have him re-arrange his older material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 He actually develops this material. Which didn't happen much with the previous one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'm going to need the complete score before getting to any conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 The entire album is not enough?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 If I find myself in a situation like At World's End, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Ah well, it's not long now. Ten days. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 The album is probably about 1/3 of the score. I like it a lot on first listen. The new melodic Catwoman and rhythmic Bane material is interesting, there's some nice new atmospheric colours in tracks like "On Thin Ice". The old material is well developed and extended more than it was in The Dark Knight, and integrated well with the new material. The electronic and orchestral pallete seems to have expanded as well, quite appropriately epic for the nature of the film. Compared to the recent sequels in the Pirates and Sherlock Holmes franchises, this is a much better effort, and doesn't disappoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 He actually develops this material. Which didn't happen much with the previous one.I will admit he does develop it some, especially in "Rise." But there's not enough of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I love it! I wish it were longer, but we know about the bonus tracks, and I hear WB is planning something special on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 An extra 12 minutes of bonus tracks confirmed. And over at hans-zimmer.com "Hybrid Soldier" who seems to know Zimmer personally, is dropping all sorts of hints about future goodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Pretty sure Hybrid doesn't know him personally, but he's basically a walking talking RCP wiki. He can tell you who composed what in any score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I have listened to the entire album now and I can only give it a very generous 1/2 star out of 5.I feel kinda incredulous. This is really supposed to be a major score for a major movie by a major composer? This?This is basically garbage. Is this what Zimmer "composed"? It’s just banging pounding driving percussion overlaid with some farting horns. How long did it take to compose? 3 days?This kind of scoring is not for me I guess. I guess Zimmer thinks himself above melody or themes; this is a charmless graceless bore of a score, the kind which I call "montage scoring". This is against the essence of film scoring, these tracks or whatever they are could be plastered as sonic background anywhere in the movie as desired, it’s not like this is specific scoring, it’s absolutely indiscernible what the music is trying to convey except ear-splitting loudness.This will probably have many fans as it will be mixed so loudly in the sound mix of the movie that it would just blare from the speakers drawing attention to its loudness at every point in the movie and people will think it’s a great score. I wish a discussion could be had about its merits as a composition divorced from the movie it has been assembled for which gives everything associated with it a touch of hysteria. Already on many forums I see fans describing it as one of the best scores of the last few years.Different folks, different strokes I guess. But I am never listening to this ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I listened to the album and it is atrocious. The new "motifs" are average at best and the stuff that is returning is reduced in orchestral complexity and impact. Don't get me wrong, i love it when established themes and motives are returning but mainly new arrangements of it are a necessity. Also, louder is not better...In addition it sounds like a synth orchestra was used. Give me Ramin Djawadis Game of Thrones scores over this score anyday. They are superior than this Mega Blockbuster score.It seems the only one who made the last two Batman scores listenable was JNH. With him gone Zimmer proved that he can't write good scores anymore.This is sonic wallpaper sound in its barest and most superficial form. What a waste and what a pity for all fans of real orchestral film music. Zimmer seems to get worse and worse every year. If you compare this with his 90s scores it seems like he is another person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Full soundtrack is available here:http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34498nI haven't listened to all of it, but it actually sounds better than I expected. For a Zimmer, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 We know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think most of you are ignoring the obvious fact that Zimmer isn't trying to write a traditional orchestral score. There's more than one way to approach the music for a film. He happens to choose a textural sound design angle. Evaluate something with the proper criteria. Does it achieve what it's trying to achieve? Can't really say at this point since none of us has seen the film. You can't comment on it being plastered in the background and not synching to picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 Koray, did you listen to the OST yet? If so, what did you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Edit: nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Koray, did you listen to the OST yet? If so, what did you think?No, I don't plan to until after I've seen the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I've listened to it twice now. As I said before, not really what I'm really looking forward to hearing in film music. But I like it. Zimmer turned out to be a very consequential in the end. The score is an extension of what has been done before. I like some his use of synths. There is a sense of impending doom and some of the softer bits reprised from the first score (when you'll hear it you'll know what I'm talking about) give me a feeling the film won't end well.Overall, for some reason I like this album more than the previous two.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 the link isn't having anything on it anymore tried two browsers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Try this.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 That's because there was an 'n' at the end that didn't belong in the link.Try this:http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34498 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 #2 is very nicethe 5/4 in #3 is grating on my nervesI would listen to #4 again, especially for teaching purposes#5 LOVE#6 meh, #7 meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 LOVE #5, classic Zimmer...but that's me ;-) almost like Bourne stuff....5/4 like Isengard - if you remember that theme off of the top of your head. tannhauser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 She's talking about the Moussaka song BloodBoal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 You can't comment on it being plastered in the background and not synching to picture.It will sync up, that's what I am saying, its just a general composition. Take the action music in John Carter or Tintin or How To Train Your Dragon or any Elfman or Horner or Williams or Giacchino score, the music mirrors the action. This is how you get magical movie music moments like when Williams' crescendo syncs up perfectly with Tintin's punch to the henchman at the begining of Escape From Karaboudjan.This is not the ONLY way of film scoring but all I can say to Zimmer is atleast put some effort. His Batman scores are just LOUD. These scores could be composed by some first year music student with a fail grade in some third rate music academy.Michael Bay:Movies::Hans Zimmer:Film Scoring (specifically Batman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Very, very uneven CD. It'll probably be better with the missing stuff that's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 His Batman scores are just LOUD. These scores could be composed by some first year music student with a fail grade in some third rate music academy.Agreed, as is said this album is atrocious. The sound quality is so synthy and low budget that it makes me wonder why they even bother with an orchestra anymore?This is music at its lowest, no recognizable themes, some small (mainly loud) motifs and the action music is just the same percussion and electronic loops again and again...(rant mode) Anyone who likes to listen to this shit apart from the movie has lost all taste in my eyes...and still, i am sure it works in the movie because the movie will be so good that it will work without a score too or with a Trent Reznor nonscore as well. Zimmer couldn't loose no matter how less he cared for this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I think this release should have been longer. A few tracks are less than a minute long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The score might not exactly be anything fantastic, but I'm convinced the CD release isn't helping it in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 His Batman scores are just LOUD. These scores could be composed by some first year music student with a fail grade in some third rate music academy.So you're a music professor then? Cormac McCarthy's formatting and lack of punctuation in his novels is technically incorrect.(rant mode) Anyone who likes to listen to this shit apart from the movie has lost all taste in my eyes...I haven't heard the score beyond the samples yet, but for the sake of argument: I have no taste? I like Morricone, Williams, Giacchino, Goldsmith, Horner, and..... ZIMMER *gasp* I guess all those other guys suck too, since I have no taste?You can't comment on it being plastered in the background and not synching to picture.It will sync up, that's what I am saying, its just a general composition. Take the action music in John Carter or Tintin or How To Train Your Dragon or any Elfman or Horner or Williams or Giacchino score, the music mirrors the action. This is how you get magical movie music moments like when Williams' crescendo syncs up perfectly with Tintin's punch to the henchman at the begining of Escape From Karaboudjan.You say the score will synch up (without seeing the film, mind you) but proceed to criticize it for not synching up? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 So you're a music professor then? Cormac McCarthy's formatting and lack of punctuation in his novels is technically incorrect.Cormac McCarthy is an unreadable imbecile. The people who convert his books into screenplays undoubtedly get paid glorious amounts of money to have the time needed to determine where speech ends and thought begins, and who says what, and so on and so forth, FAR more than the casual reader wants to spend.But if the music's too loud, you just turn down the volume knob or get your ear off the speaker. That's complicated, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 It sounds pretty good to me so far. I don't think I'll buy it but I'm enjoying this listen. OH wait I forgot I'm part of the chant on this! I at least need to get "Gotham's Reckoning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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