Ricard

I think it has more to do with how you do it within the categories, Bespin.
 
For example, if I were a researcher and needed to find out the albums available for THE FURY, I would go to a listing of all Williams' films in chronological order, find the year 1978, find the film, click on it and then have all the various albums listed, from 1978 to 2013. I wouldn't think to scroll to 2013 to find the most recent reissue.
 
Also, if I were to find the albums for the violin concerto, I would again go to a listing of all his concert works in chronlogical order, find it at 1976, click on it and find all the recordings within.
 
Also -- while I realize conducting is a skill and artform -- I wouldn't think to separate between what he's conducted and not for many of these things. For example, if I wanted album info on NONE BUT THE BRAVE, I wouldn't think to click on a section that said 'soundtracks conducted by others'. Rather, I'd have it in the regular listing of his films, and then perhaps add a note there that it wasn't conducted by him.
 
I would also separate between his non-film and film work (whereas you have merged them into 'solo albums'), but again -- that's me.
 
Stuff like that.
 
I know you have your own ways of doing things, and I've kinda given up questioning your procedure in the last couple of years. At least you manage to gather a lot of albums, even if you have to navigate a bit to find them. That's great! Keep it up! But I don't think you should be surprised or offended when people question it. Rather, you should think "hey, I'm creating a resource that might prove useful for researchers. Let's hear what the feedback is, and what I can do to make things less confusing".
 
My two cents.

That compiles new recordings of multiple pieces.  Thus, compilation.

I did! I had completely forgotten about that, as it doesn't feature on the soundtrack album. In fact, I don't even own the song version! Thanks for the reminder -- also in trying to acquire it.
 
 
Are they? I have the 2CD set and they're not there. Are they on the even newer expansion? [edit: yes, I see that they are. I've removed the 'unreleased' tags]
 
 
I realize now that perhaps a better way to delineate between these things is to have a special category for choral music instead, and leave the pop/jazz things as the real "songs" in a traditional sense. But of course, I would also need to make a distinction between choral music with lyrics and choral/vocal music without lyrics, used more as colour.

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Thanks Ricard.  Absolutely love this site.  Thank you for providing such a wonderful service for us John Williams fans. - Rob

Probably has to do mainly with the recording/mixing of the OSTs: the way the mics are positioned, the added reverb, etc. Add to that the fact that the orchestra performing it live is different from the one heard on the album recording, the place where the concert is taking place, the way the players are positioned which may be a bit different than they were for the film recording, where your own seat is, etc. Lots of different factors to take into account.
 
In any case, the music you hear on CDs has always been tinkered with in one way or another. When you hear it live, you hear it untouched, in its purest form!

Until the guys up high release every take ever recorded from every single score Williams composed music for, until they record every single piece of music JW penned in his life in digital format (yes, that includes his Symphony No.1), until every JW piece has its sheet music published, until every JW film, TV series and travelogue gets a LtP concert arranged in every major and minor city in the world, and until we know the damn year Williams was enlisted in the USAF, this forum shall still have a purpose to exist. The JWFAN era is only just beginning!

I understand your ideals bellamy, and would agree that our common love for Williams is what brought us together. Heck, I only stumbled onto this forum in search for news and updates about Tintin and War Horse. But I think our community has evolved beyond that.
 
I, personally, no longer come here to read about the latest SW updates or surprise projects Williams signs onto. Those are bonus delights for me. Rather, I come here to discuss my favourite scores, or my favourite Williams passages, get recommendations from fellow film score fans about works I've never heard before, learn new ways to look at old things and have some fun banter in silly threads while I'm at it. JWFan's function, at least in my eyes, has gone far beyond providing updates about the latest from Williams. It's more of a hub to share ideas, perspectives and learn from each other. I'm not talking about the Trump threads, but rather the ones that ask for more insightful analysis or communication of ideas in regards to all forms of music, film and art in general.
 
Yes, we are all tied together by our mutual love for Williams. But that's independent of the fact that he's still writing. I mean, when you think about it, many of the older posters here don't really discuss or even like Williams' latest efforts other than out of the sheer obligation and loyalty to him. And once he's passed, there's no need for that love to go anywhere. We all still discuss and talk about the likes of Horner and Goldsmith with great fondness here. It will be no different with Williams. Granted I'm sure things will be rather different for a while once the worst has happened, but I'm confident the forum will be back to its usual form afterward.

We all have our pet threads that we like to check but they're different for each of us and it doesn't mean everybody will continue to visit the forum just for the off-topic discussion. The really wonderful thing that we all have in common is that the #1 best thing about JWFan is sharing the release of a new John Williams score together, yes? Am I wrong about that? That's what I love and I check the JW board every day for news on his projects. There's nothing else that brings the whole community so close....we are the only people in the world who love John Williams so fucking much that we just couldn't find anybody within arm's length who could talk about him on our level, so we went online. I love this place, I like reading everybody's thoughts on here on various things, but the thing that gets me really excited to hear from each and every member, uniquely, is what they think about the new score.
 
When John Williams is finally done writing music for any reason, it will leave a huge hole in my life, I am sure of that. And I know that for awhile I am going to rely on this board more than ever, because you are the only people who will understand. We're all going to count on each other for that. The board will keep its usual activity for awhile after the final Williams score but on a day to day level, I just know how tedious it can honestly be when a forum gets to like 10 posts a day and the member you would have most wanted to hear from on a recent news item hasn't been around in a year. Most people are probably not going to continue dropping in like clockwork to post at length about Trump's latest soundbite or which score they happened to listen to for the fiftieth time. Again, aside from a handful of people who really connect outside of Williams, I dunno if we will all gather around every day. We'll always have JW, but we're going to have our own lives and relationships to maintain without constantly checking on JWFan to say hi!

I think you guys are overestimating the effect Williams' death will have on the population of JWFan. You'll basically be losing out on passing visitors who come for updates about the latest score, but other than that, much will remain the same.
 
You guys make it sound like we only discuss new Williams music, when in truth, about 75% of the discussion here has nothing to do with Williams at all!

In 2005 I started hanging out on a Harry Potter forum with many active members from around the world and all sorts of off-topic discussion. Potter seemed like it was pretty tangential but that place whittled down pretty fast after the last book in 2007...by the last movie in 2011 I had moved over to a private forum with about 10 friends. It still exists, last post there was in November. I don't really visit there anymore but I do keep in touch with one person pretty regularly via text. She hasn't gotten around to Cursed Child or Fantastic Beasts by the way.
 
The reality is that we are all different people from different places at different stages of our lives, with not actually that many (any?) common interests between the entire lot of us except for an enormous amount of passion for this site's namesake. Even our interests in film music differ wildly aside from the old or dead guys. Some of us hardly even follow current film music at all aside from Williams and not all of us buy every LLL set or compilation that comes out.
 
The one thing that ties all of us together is the promise of new John Williams music. I think we are all much more willing to tolerate those who we have nothing else in common with -- even when those disagreements get aggressive -- because in the back of our minds we know that person is here for John Williams. That's what is sort of beautiful about it.
 
When there is no more new John Williams music, it'll be different. There's only so much we can really say all at once about his existing output. Even now we've run in circles repeating discussions. There are groups of people here who actually do have much in common with each other and have formed real lasting friendships and those will continue, but who's to say that it will remain on this board instead of a free private forum where they don't have to be anonymous? Would they always continue airing their opinions and grievances on a public forum under an avatar and screenname? I dunno. There might not be enough donations after awhile to keep this thing going, but maybe the site will take a new shape and flourish. That would be nice to see. Most of us will eventually splinter off, move on to other communities and interests.
 
Just how it goes...how many people did you keep in touch with after graduating school when there was suddenly no reason for you to go back and see those people in that building every day? But you still remember many of those people from your class. I think it's okay.

There's no such piece as "Yub Nub a.k.a. Ewok Celebration". The title of the piece is "Ewok Celebration", and it was composed by John Williams.
 
My favorite Williams song is probably "Star of Bethlehem", followed by "Nice to be Around".

Of course it will go on, what a silly question.  Discussing his upcoming scores and concerts is only one small aspect of discussing his entire body of work, one is only one small aspect of all things discussed here anyway.
 
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The forum on Jerry Goldsmith Online says its last post was yesterday. That's how it'll be here once John Williams has gone. It'll be Stefan, talking to himself. 

It's a tricky one, to be sure. Part of me may not want to continue, but JW's death needn't mean the death of JWfan. Sure, we'll be devastated, and I can't imagine people wanting to post much about "trivial things", for a while, but life goes on, and people get back to normal. JGonline is still going, almost 13 years after his death, and there will be posthumous JW music releases, and plenty of other topics to discuss, so I think it will continue. What form it will continue in, however, is anyone's guess.

I agree. Getting closer and closer to the point where I will have to say that I've beena very active member on JWfan for half my lifetime. Joined when I was late 22 or early 23, now I'm 39. So if this place would cease to exist it would actually be the end of an era for me.
 
 
To be perfectly honest this place can close down one second after I breathe my last breath as far as I'm concerned. 
 
But I have specified in my will that I wish to be cremated on a pyre of A4's with all my posts printed out.

I hope so. I aim to discuss obscure Williams from yesteryear throughout my own lifespan.

Also those car horns as JW himself says in the Collector's Edition interview. They recorded them at different pitches and added them in.

Michael Giacchino Is The New John Williams
 
 
 
 
http://georgetownvoice.com/2017/03/14/michael-giacchino-is-the-new-john-williams/

Before Charlie Sheen's mental breakdown after he was diagnosed with HIV because he dated hookers and porn stars for 30 years!
 
Winning!

And yet I might argue he's the successor to North and Mancini.
 
The point is, what these composers are to each of us is, most likely, ephemeral.  The "next Williams" for me is not likely to be the "next Williams" for many others here.  Who is John Williams, anyway?  The guy who scores Star Wars and Jurassic Park movies and writes themes for 4 trumpets?  If that's what he is, or anything similarly surface based, then there will be plenty of composers who come along and get dubbed the next that.  
 
But I think he's much more than that, and while no one is going to do what he does in exactly the same way, there are certainly composers now and will continue to be in the future who do it in their own way.  The essence of what makes Williams special is alive and well elsewhere, in other shades, and always will be.  The business of actively looking for a "successor" is rather silly.
 
But for facile stylistic comparisons, sure.  I guess that's the business of broad, dilettante history and can't be avoided. 

Film version: oboe, vibraphone-esque synth & 2 tubas, basically the same performer overdubbing himself.
 
Album version: oboe, vibraphone-esque synth, 2 tubas, bassoon doubling tuba.

The idea that Giacchino is the successor to Williams is an inane one that I wish would stop being entertained. That's not a jab at Giacchino, I like him. He certainly has his moments. But to whimsically treat Williams as an individual whose quantity and quality of work can be easily replaced by just about anybody not only diminishes his legacy but also is a blatant disregard for what makes Williams unique. Williams is Williams. There is no replacement, just as only Goldsmith could do Goldsmith, or only Horner could do Horner. That's why we love them, they truly stand on their own. To treat something as vastly intricate and complex as music composition as being nothing more than a matter of interchangeable parts is reductive at best and a disservice to somebody like Williams at worst.