Romão 2,276 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'm surprised has made a comment on the news article in the main page, about the new Superman movies:WILLIAMS ON WHY HE DIDN'T SCORE 'SUPERMAN RETURNS'The latest issue of Spanish film magazine Fotogramas features an exclusive article on Superman Returns, which cites Brandon Routh's resemblance to Christopher Reeve as one of the reasons why John Williams isn't in charge of the score. "I could never have dealt with this score. He [brandon] reminded me too much of Chris", admits the MaestroDoes this mean that maybe Jw was asked to score it but he refused due to the emotional attachment that he had with Reeve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,069 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Who knows, I'm almost tempted to lump this in with the french magazine interview where Williams supposedly expressed his disappointment with Lucas and TPM score.It may have happened but I have my doubts. I think Singer had Ottman as his composer when he took the project.Now they may have asked Williams if he would have been interested in scoring the film if approached by the studio but who really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Well that's what williams seems to be saying isn't it.It could also just be a diplomatic answer to decline doing the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 It sounds like he's commenting on a hypothetical scenario, a "what if" question that was posed to him by the interviewer...Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Yeah, my interpretation of that is that Williams is speaking theoretically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,276 Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 The interview seems to indicate that Williams and Reeve were fairly close. Is this a known fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 that is definitely what it seems to hint at, I find that very believable though, they might have met in Julliard, because Reeve is also a Juliard alumni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,276 Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 When John Williams left the Boston Pops and they made him that homage, Reeve was one of the spokepersons, and he spoke to Williams in a very friendly mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 so i guess its safe to assume then, that Williams and Reeve were good friends, and that scoring Superman would have been emotionally difficult for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 There is a difference between being of friendly terms with someone you have met through your work, and being actual friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Regardless, I'm willing to bet that Singer didn't even ask Williams. I think that, despite the fact that Williams is a legend, he really just wants to work with his friend John Ottman on his projects.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 There is a difference between being of friendly terms with someone you have met through your work, and being actual friends.ok, an aquaintance that he thought fondly of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 That is probably closer to the truth.Christopher Reeve also wrote for the linernotes for the complete Superman release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I don't beleive this for one second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 You believed a man could fly, didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Christopher Reeve also wrote for the linernotes for the complete Superman release.I guess it's true what they say, "You learn something new every day". I for one never knew that.Wait, Chris Reeves didn't write the liner notes for the complete score. I am looking at the booklet for it right now and it says "Michael Matessino" for the author of the liner notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 So I guess this rules out John Williams ever scoring Richard Donner's Superman II re-cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 surely you never thought that was a reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 So I guess this rules out John Williams ever scoring Richard Donner's Superman II re-cut. surely you never thought that was a realityNo, but it was damn nice to hope for. Had about as much chance of The Battle of Geonosis ever getting a proper score, but it was nice to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Wait, Chris [Reeve] didn't write the liner notes for the complete score. I am looking at the booklet for it right now and it says "Michael Matessino" for the author of the liner notes.But he did write an intro, didn't he?Ozzel - too lazy to look it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Apparently, so is Vosk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 surely you never thought that was a realityYes, it is a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 This does not comment on Williams in any way shape or form.Richard Donner is a funny guy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Chris Reeve did only write an INTRODUCTION. He didn't write the full liner notes as you claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 This does not comment on Williams in any way shape or form.Richard Donner is a funny guy though.I didn't say it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Chris Reeve did only write an INTRODUCTION. He didn't write the full liner notes as you claimed. That's not what Steef wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjorel 0 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Christopher Reeve was introduced to John Williams by Richard Donner during the middle of principal photography of Superman:The Movie in 1977. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Sorry for bumping a 7 year old thread, but I think this recent Williams comment confirms the one from 2006 (which some questioned because it was published in a foreign magazine).2006 - John Williams on Superman Returns:"I could never have dealt with this score. He [brandon] reminded me too much of Chris", admits the Maestro.2013 - John Williams on Man of Steel:"It puts me in mind of the late Chris Reeve, who we all loved so much. It's going to be hard for me not to let go of the music, but to let go of the idea of Superman being Chris. I thought he not only made that project successful, he embodied what all of us imagine Superman to look like if he could be given skin and bone, I think." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 He certainly is consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,275 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 When I saw the video interview, I did recall this discussion, but was to lazy to look for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't work on Superman Returns because of his emotional attachment to Chris Reeve. Williams was probably very close friends with him and his death seems to have effected him quite a bit when ever the topic of Superman comes up.Although Ottman is 99% of the time Singer's composer for his films. So it seemed logical that he would have chosen Ottman anyways. Although if Williams agreed to have done it Ottman probably wouldn't have protested, who knows.I know a lot of you dislike the score for Superman Returns but I for one still love it to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I really love the Superman Returns score.I don't care for what he did with Can You Read My Mind but it's a score I return to frequently. Then again, I grew up watching and listening to the Christopher Reeve films and music more than anything else so hearing Ottman using it was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,453 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I have mixed feelings about the Ottman score, some of it is great, but it is missing some good themes for the quiet moments, which Williams' score had (The Kryptonite/Legacy theme, B theme etc.), plus its nowhere near as warm (probably a byproduct of the trebley and somewhat overly wet recording) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,668 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I really love the Superman Returns score.I don't care for what he did with Can You Read My Mind but it's a score I return to frequently. Then again, I grew up watching and listening to the Christopher Reeve films and music more than anything else so hearing Ottman using it was nice. Curiously, I think his major-mode arrangement of "Can You Read My Mind" is the best part of the score! The rest isn't that interesting, IMO, but it's been a while since I saw the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I dont see any reason to revisit that film anytime soon.The casting of Bosworth ruined it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,778 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I really love the Superman Returns score.I don't care for what he did with Can You Read My Mind but it's a score I return to frequently. Then again, I grew up watching and listening to the Christopher Reeve films and music more than anything else so hearing Ottman using it was nice. Curiously, I think his major-mode arrangement of "Can You Read My Mind" is the best part of the score! The rest isn't that interesting, IMO, but it's been a while since I saw the film.I prefer the major-mode version too I remember the FSM podcast guys ripping apart Ottman's change, saying it was musically simplistic, but again it all comes back to the idea that complex is better. I find Ottman's version warmer and more definitive sounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 309 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Pieter Boelen and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 741 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Hadn't seen that yet. Very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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