Beowulf 4 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 After some searching I haven't been able to turn anything up.Whoever it is, the pianist is especially incredible in the 'End Credits' Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I don't think no ones know. Sometimes they put a list of people saying who plays the instruments on a OST Album...but not always. Look at the album credits and see what informations they provided there. They will tell you at least what Symphony Orchestra they use for recording E.T and which studio they recorded it from. If so that is probably the closest thing you can get and they probably randomly pick a pianist who plays for that particular Symphony Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 But E.T. was not performed by any particular orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I was under the impression that it was Williams himself. Miguel should confirm or deny soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Could it possibly be Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Miguel, were are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 But E.T. was not performed by any particular orchestra.No it wasn't . I think I've misinterepted in what I'm trying to say. I said read the Album Credits information that is provided on the album which will tell you what Orchestra they used whether it was particular symphony or not or just a selection of musicans to form a orchestra group at the recording stage or whatever. They do sometime list the people names who plays the instruments. As far as I know The Terminal OST album is the only one that I know that has the list of people names who plays the instruments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 But E.T. was not performed by any particular orchestra.No it wasn't . I think I've misinterepted in what I'm trying to say. I said read the Album Credits information that is provided on the album which will tell you what Orchestra they used whether it was particular symphony or not or just a selection of musicans to form a orchestra group at the recording stage or whatever. They do sometime list the people names who plays the instruments. As far as I know The Terminal OST album is the only one that I know that has the list of people names who plays the instruments...I am pretty certain it was Randy Kerber (spelling?), who was the same as on forrest gump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Pi, how do you know for sure that it is him?I was under the impression that it was Williams himself. Miguel should confirm or deny soon.Could it possibly be Williams?How could it be Williams himself when he was conducting it? John Williams can't conduct and play the piano at the same time. Could he? Unless it was a separate recording and mixed it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Or unless he was, you know, a talented musician.It's Williams playing the piano solos in Angela's Ashes... and could it be him too, in the Schindler's List end credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Pi, how do you know for sure that it is him?I was under the impression that it was Williams himself. Miguel should confirm or deny soon.Could it possibly be Williams?How could it be Williams himself when he was conducting it? John Williams can't conduct and play the piano at the same time. Could he? Unless it was a separate recording and mixed it in.It is not uncommon for pianists do conduct from the piano in classical music. No reason Williams wouldn't be able to do this.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Well,I saw him do it on a Boston Pops special where he played the piano and conducted at the same time for Angela's Ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Pi, how do you know for sure that it is him?I was under the impression that it was Williams himself. Miguel should confirm or deny soon.Could it possibly be Williams?How could it be Williams himself when he was conducting it? John Williams can't conduct and play the piano at the same time. Could he? Unless it was a separate recording and mixed it in.Well it is certain that Williams has performed the piano part in concert as well as conducting, but as to whether it's him on the recording is the question. I thought it was him, but I never put too much faith in the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Yes exactly.... On the actual recording for E.T how do we know that it is him playing on the piano and conducting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Bill Conti did all the Piano work for all the Rocky films. Don't know who it is on ET, but it's one talented person.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Yes this pianist who played for E.T is a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Miguel, were are you?Sorry, was having the usual night nap At this point I'm unable to confirm if it was Williams at the piano. I seem to remember that this was discussed before, but don't remember what was the conclusion...What I can say is that it is unlikelly that the performance was performed by Randy Kerber. In some earlier scores the session pianist Williams used was Mike Lang. As far as Williams playing the piano on sessions, he did played the piano on the end credits of Schindler's List and on the opening cue of Angela's Ashes. And yes, he condcuted from the piano, at Pops concerts more than once, including the mentioned Angela's Ashes suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm quite sure that Ralph Grierson was one of the session pianist on E.T. (it was mentioned in an old article on FSM). On various old Boston Globes articles, it was revealed that Williams played the piano on the Schindler's List end credits, the theme from Sabrina and in parts of Angela's Ashes (also, I remember that during the USC seminar last year Williams said he played the piano part himself in several of his scores). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Would the complexity of the pian part not dictate if Williams is able to perform it and conduct an orchestra at the same time?I mean, you need one free hand, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Obviously not...If Williams has played the piano in concerts. this has been seen, we dont have to 'believe' what Williams says he does in his scores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I don't think you understand my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Are you telling me another form of maestrobating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 so it was not a joke...I mean one hand playing the piano.One hand conductingOther body member playing the other part of the piano... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 More complex or faster paced piano pieces would require the use of both hands on the keyboard, right?Leaving Williams unable to conduct.I don't know if the Over The Moon piano piece is something that can easily be played with one hand.And yes Pablo, I was being sirius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 pablo?BTW, do you notice that the Schindlers list and Angelas ashes themes played by Williams start with piano solos? Im not so sure if the piano plays thruought the cue, but i think it doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 It really depends on how much complex the piano part is, and how deft the conductor/pianist is. Since we're not talking about live performances, I believe Williams (who is also a very skilled pianist) could perform on the piano and conduct at the same time. This probably take more time during the rehearsal, but it's not an impossible feat, at least not for JW. Concerning "Over the Moon", the complexity of the piece is absolutely on virtuoso level. Also, the piano part is a duet, since there are two piano lines counterpointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Concerning "Over the Moon", the complexity of the piece is absolutely on virtuoso level. Also, the piano part is a duet, since there are two piano lines counterpointed.Doesn't that require 2 hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwj4736 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 It's entirely possible the piano part was recorded separately and dubbed in. In the score, the beginning of the end credits is orchestrated in addition to the piano part being there. In the film, it starts with solo piano and the orchestra part is slowly "turned up" volume-wise until it's at full volume w/ the piano. The part is quite challenging, the left hand part encompasses two octaves (8th notes) while the right hand part has a lot of jumping around while maintaining a steady triplet rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 It really depends on how much complex the piano part is, and how deft the conductor/pianist is.....and how good the orchestra are at listening to/watching what is going on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Concerning "Over the Moon", the complexity of the piece is absolutely on virtuoso level. Also, the piano part is a duet, since there are two piano lines counterpointed.I had always thought there were two pianists in that end credits music. Though I'm not a musician, I always found it difficult to mimic the piano. No one's hands could master that piece. It has to be two people.That said, it is a beautiful performance, whoever it is. Performers on John Williams scores rarely get recognized unless they have prominent solos in the score, or are famous, like Itzhak, Yo-Yo or Tim Morrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm quite sure that Ralph Grierson was one of the session pianist on E.T. (it was mentioned in an old article on FSM). On various old Boston Globes articles, it was revealed that Williams played the piano on the Schindler's List end credits, the theme from Sabrina and in parts of Angela's Ashes (also, I remember that during the USC seminar last year Williams said he played the piano part himself in several of his scores).Didn't remember about Sabrina, but it makes all the sense! Every time I listen ot it, I think of Williams playing it. There is something in his playing, that since I'm no musician am unable to explain, that is very sweet and tender, I guess like the man himself, and so adequate for a fairy tale score...Miguel, falling in love again... under the spell of fairies and wizards... and Sabrina! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwj4736 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 The scores indicate only one piano. And yes the part is difficult but playable by a good pianist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted February 15, 2007 Author Share Posted February 15, 2007 Hmmm...I always did believe it was Williams' himself when I was a kid - probably because one of the first things I ever saw about JW was a featurette where he was playing and explaining the themes from E.T., I guess it stuck in the mind.There has to be a way of finding out short of asking the man himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 but not just about ET, but all of his scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I also always assumed that it's Williams who plays piano but maybe not.I just watched The Music of "E.T." - A Discussion with John Williams feature and that spot wherehe is conducting the cue just before the first Flying theme in it's full power.There is great piano part in there(sounds more tricky than the end-credits) but I don't see the player.Anyway if there is a skilled player already I don't see any reason for Williams to play piano in the end-credits.btw- it's not that difficult than it sounds , great it is though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 As much as we would love for Williams to be the pianist, I suppose it's just easier for someone else to do it while he conducts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Or Williams to play it while someone else conducts. But that's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Or Williams to play it while someone else conducts. But that's unlikely.It is possible he played the end credits, but I doubt he would play the over the moon, it is not really a hard part for a studio pianist (it sounds much harder).Secondly I remember hearing a story that the pianist for the 20th anniversary concert broke his arm falling off the stage during the dress rehearsal at the Shrine and was replaced at the last minute. I think Randy replaced him, but I remember hearing that whomever fell was the original pianist of the soundtrack.PS Williams piano playing sounds to me very orchestral in nature, organizing the music according to the line and not overly dramatic or excessively rhythmic, almost shy.I imagine if williams had to play one of the orchestrators would conduct, but since williams did this himself perhaps it was the concertmaster?? i dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drod400 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I can play the end credits.. i do it all the time.I bet it was williams.. since the orchestra has to be good, i bet they could figure out what to do without him right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Does no one here have the Piano Arrangement of the E.T. score? The piano part of "Over the Moon" is included there (unarranged) and I used to play it, too. It is a great piece, really -- not too complicated. But to be honest, the Over the Moon on the Spielberg/Williams Collboration CD impresses me much more. Now, I wonder who that was. Ì am thinking Bob Winter . . . but then again it must have been Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Or Williams to play it while someone else conducts. But that's unlikely.but I doubt he would play the over the moon, it is not really a hard part for a studio pianist (it sounds much harder).Actually pi, it is a tad bit harder than one may think. I transcribed it a while back and unlike the published version from Hal Leonard which has the RH staying within the range of a 6th, the actual soundtrack version has the RH spanning an octave, which sets up an akward position where the RH 1 and 2 fingers are bunched up minor 2nd C# and D while pinky plays an octave higher on C#. It's nothing that a concert pianist couldn't play, but it does take quite a bit of practice (to play gracefully), unlike the supposedly accurate Hal Leonard version which fits the hands much more comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I'm quite sure that Ralph Grierson was one of the session pianist on E.T. (it was mentioned in an old article on FSM).I actually heard that, as crazy as it sounds, he actually sight-read the score and that the orchestra players gave him a huge applause at the end of the session.Hellgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 What's sight read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Playing the music through without having seen or practiced it before.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I believe that, these studio pianists can sight read mozart piano concerti. They are just nasty players. And if over the moon is the same as the magic of haloween, it is not hard at all all octaves which are really simple, you only need to read one line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 it is not hard at all all octaves which are really simple, you only need to read one line.But it's not just octaves. There are inner notes that make it akward. Again, it's not exactly Godowsky, but it's harder than the so-called "transcriptions" which are not accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 "Who is the pianist on E.T.?"Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 "Who is the pianist on E.T.?"Me.COngratulations then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfan 128 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Is it possible that JW was at the piano and that no one was conducting? Since this was done in a recording studio, I assume that the players had metronome click-tracks in their ears which would have significantly reduced the need for a conductor during the actual recording performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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