SPECTRE - James Bond #24

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What? I saw it in FB on a 007 group

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Does anyone know if that helicopter roll in the trailer is real? I know it's possible, just not sure if it was actually done.

It's the real deal. I think they hired a pretty talented pilot.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Wow. From that video, I found this one which shows it doing some even more intense stuff towards the end so I think you're right. I mean, that shot looks real for sure so I think you're right. If so, that's really awesome.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Looks like Ellie Goulding is doing the title song

http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/07/28/exclusive-ellie-goulding-has-an-unreleased-song-called-spy-new-james-bond-theme

Hmmm.

They played 'Burn' during the London NYE fireworks last year, which I rather like. I'll give it a chance. At least Lana Del Rey has a new album out in a month or so.

[leeallen01 2,136]

I got bored and decided to make another one of my random videos matching different composers music to certain films. I decided to see what it would roughly be like with Korzeniowski's music matched to Bond.

[Jay 37,368]

Someone bet 15 bags on Radiohead at a bookies so they suspended betting, but it still seems more likely its Ellie Gould than Radiohead to me.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33700786

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I got bored and decided to make another one of my random videos matching different composers music to certain films. I decided to see what it would roughly be like with Korzeniowski's music matched to Bond.

It works great up until 2:50, where I can't help bursting into laughter.

That chord at 1:23 though. Pure Bond.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Abel seems to be out of his element when it comes to action.

[leeallen01 2,136]

I got bored and decided to make another one of my random videos matching different composers music to certain films. I decided to see what it would roughly be like with Korzeniowski's music matched to Bond.

It works great up until 2:50, where I can't help bursting into laughter.

That chord at 1:23 though. Pure Bond.

Yeah that screaming section is a bit jarring. He barely does action so it was the only piece really that fit decently. At least it has a vibe of exoticness to it. The entire video is the same piece of music.

Korzeniowski enjoyed it at least. He somehow found it only a few hours after I uploaded it on youtube, and he posted it on his Facebook:

Abel Korzeniowski

51 mins ·

This made me smile today!!

For the record, if I ever scored a James Bond film, it would be very different from "Escape from Tomorrow"

[gkgyver 1,645]

OK finally saw the trailer. REALLY liked the look of it, the action and chase scenes seem like they'll be good, etc.

But.......

I'm having a Sherlock/Moriarty vibe from this.

Ditto!!

I hope its done smarter than it seems right now.

I don't get why they can't make a movie any more where Bond simply saves the world from some new villain while making wise cracks, gambling, and bedding numerous women. I don't get why they've all become so serious, and why all the plots all relate to him on a personal level. it's fine to do once in a while, but 4 films in a row?

Maybe because fans of the Bond character, like myself are tired of the formula and welcome the return to the intrinsic and layered character that Fleming created and originally drew us to the character.

I am a fan of many of the movies post Connery, but the 60s films are so much more interesting by and large because there were no expectations. The plot didn't have to hit certain points and follow some sort of checklist to be deemed good. The best Bond films were always by and large the ones that were different and didn't just follow the formula, so why do people like you want this type of thing back so much. There's nearly 20 films where Bond is simply a caricature, go and watch those if that's all you want from the character. Let those who enjoy the book version of the character enjoy what they've been doing.

'Nuff said.

Yes.

And some fans of the Bond characters, notice I don't apply my theory to ALL Bond fans like Wycket did, want to return to the things that made Bond a CINEMATIC phenomenon. And that wasn't too close to Ian Fleming.

People who go watch Bond, who are fans of Ian Fleming, are a vast minority.

[Jay 37,368]

Leeallen that's awesome that Abel commmented on your video!

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Does anyone know if that helicopter roll in the trailer is real? I know it's possible, just not sure if it was actually done.

It's the real deal. I think they hired a pretty talented pilot.

According to this article, they hired stunt pilot Chuck Aaron, supposedly one of the few people on the planet who is actually insured to do 360 flips in a helicopter. So...you're right! It is real!

[Wycket 36]

OK finally saw the trailer. REALLY liked the look of it, the action and chase scenes seem like they'll be good, etc.

But.......

I'm having a Sherlock/Moriarty vibe from this.

Ditto!!

I hope its done smarter than it seems right now.

I don't get why they can't make a movie any more where Bond simply saves the world from some new villain while making wise cracks, gambling, and bedding numerous women. I don't get why they've all become so serious, and why all the plots all relate to him on a personal level. it's fine to do once in a while, but 4 films in a row?

Maybe because fans of the Bond character, like myself are tired of the formula and welcome the return to the intrinsic and layered character that Fleming created and originally drew us to the character.

I am a fan of many of the movies post Connery, but the 60s films are so much more interesting by and large because there were no expectations. The plot didn't have to hit certain points and follow some sort of checklist to be deemed good. The best Bond films were always by and large the ones that were different and didn't just follow the formula, so why do people like you want this type of thing back so much. There's nearly 20 films where Bond is simply a caricature, go and watch those if that's all you want from the character. Let those who enjoy the book version of the character enjoy what they've been doing.

'Nuff said.

Yes.

And some fans of the Bond characters, notice I don't apply my theory to ALL Bond fans like Wycket did, want to return to the things that made Bond a CINEMATIC phenomenon. And that wasn't too close to Ian Fleming.

People who go watch Bond, who are fans of Ian Fleming, are a vast minority.

I tried to make it clear I wanted Bond the character, the one we saw throughout the 60s films which was a fairly good representation of the character rather than the caricature he became starting with Diamonds Are Forever.

Personally, I enjoy many Bond films from all the eras. The character itself is very interesting, but over time all was lost and he just became another superhero that couldn't get hurt. Dalton tried to bring back some actual vulnerabilities to the character, but he was still hampered by many of the things from the Moore franchise that began to define the franchise. Licence to Kill showed they were willing to move away from the comfort zone, but once GoldenEye came around things regressed and by the time Die Another Day came around, things had become a joke. The filmmakers lost touch with making a good film and were only concerned with hitting all the marks they needed to make a proper "Bond film."

In an age where everyone seems to deride remakes and rehashes of old films, it still surprises me that so many want to return to the old Bond formula, as all that does is essentially remake the same few stories again and again such as Goldfinger being remade as A View to a Kill and You Only Live Twice being remade at least twice in both The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker (arguably Tomorrow Never Dies as well but that link is far more tenuous).

Since Craig has come into the role, they've realized they can tell an interesting story without being dependent on following a formula. There are still call backs and qualities of the old series still alive and in play in the current films, but they are implemented much better than they have been in a long time and allow much more creativity and freedom for the filmmakers.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Thank you

[Jay 37,368]

You make some good points Wycket.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Do we think that, since the OHMSS theme was in the trailer, it's going to show up in the film as well?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

No!

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I really doubt it.

[Sweeping Strings 2,363]

'Since Craig has come into the role, they've realized they can tell an interesting story without being dependent on following a formula. There are still call backs and qualities of the old series still alive and in play in the current films, but they are implemented much better than they have been in a long time and allow much more creativity and freedom for the filmmakers'.

Indeed ... you only have to look at how the tributes to the series' past were handled in the 2 'big anniversary' movies, DAD and Skyfall. You're hit over the head with them in DAD, but they're a sight more subtle in Skyfall (I didn't even spot that the year on Silva's bottle of whisky was 1962 the first time I watched it).

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

They actually had a line of dialogue mentioning it was 50 years old.

But I agree, the little tributes are far better handled in Skyfall. Bringing back the Aston is not exactly subtle, but dammit, it works.

And the look on Bonds face when they blow it up!

[Ricard 2,245]

Do we think that, since the OHMSS theme was in the trailer, it's going to show up in the film as well?

Does that rendition of the theme match Newman's style?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Not really.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Everyone keeps talking about the OHMSS theme...

What about the Ski Chase descending bassline from OHMSS? (1:13 when we see the plane go over the snowy hill)

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

That's just the OHMSS theme's accompanying bassline to be precise.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Using the OHMSS theme in SPECTRE makes as much sense as using McCarthy's Generations in the next Star Trek film

[Wojo 2,453]

That would be great. His theme was nice. I remember seeing a fan made video of the opening to the TV show Enterprise that used it, sad if wasn't real.

[Ricard 2,245]

Using the OHMSS theme in SPECTRE makes as much sense as using McCarthy's Generations in the next Star Trek film

Not much less than using Jerry's theme from TMP as the main theme in TNG.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I agree.

[gkgyver 1,645]

I watched, and listened to, Quantum Of Solace today, and I can't begin to say how much of an underrated film and score this is. My personal favourite of the Craig films, and David Arnold, well, "Oil Fields" is the most brilliantly scored scene in any of the Craig films.

It's true to itself, and isn't an overly bloated, and self-indulging drama like Skyfall.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Suuuuure

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

I watched, and listened to, Quantum Of Solace today, and I can't begin to say how much of an underrated film and score this is. My personal favourite of the Craig films, and David Arnold, well, "Oil Fields" is the most brilliantly scored scene in any of the Craig films.

It's true to itself, and isn't an overly bloated, and self-indulging drama like Skyfall.

...it just cuts every 1.23 seconds. SEE THAT ASTON? NO YOU DON'T LET'S MAKE A CUT TO ANOTHER SHOT!

The bond girl didn't even take off her clothes!

[Jay 37,368]

Yup the staging and editing of the action scenes is awful.

And the script wasn't finished when the writers strike started, but they filmed anyway instead of changing the relasse date of the film. And it shows.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its also a bit too bleak and cynical for its own good.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Much like yourself?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What?

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

I'd appreciate Quantum of Solace so much more if I could just see the action. That's what I loved about Skyfall: nice and stable camera shots that allowed you to see everything super clearly without getting a headache.

[Matt C 454]

Yup the staging and editing of the action scenes is awful.

And the script wasn't finished when the writers strike started, but they filmed anyway instead of changing the relasse date of the film. And it shows.

My guess is that Quantum of Solace was being edited as it was shot due to the compressed time schedule. It shows... Forster doesn't let the scenes flow properly. I watched QoS once and never want to see it again, that's how forgettable and sloppily put together it was.

Skyfall was decent... well-shot and nicely cut together, but I really didn't get the praise people showered on it.

My interest in Bond has dropped altogether. It isn't Daniel Craig's fault.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

It's true to itself, and isn't an overly bloated, and self-indulging drama like Skyfall.

I agree with all of this. Not great, but a decent and underrated film. The score's solid too, maybe even better than its predecessor in places.

Its also a bit too bleak and cynical for its own good.

Personally, I think bleak and cynical was perfect for a follow up to Casino Royale. It's not like the producers would have kept the wise cracks from coming back in later installments, so come on! What's wrong with Bond spending a whole film just being angry?

Yup the staging and editing of the action scenes is awful.

And the script wasn't finished when the writers strike started, but they filmed anyway instead of changing the relasse date of the film. And it shows.

I found the editing kind of fun myself. You're right though, it was very obviously an unfinished film in some respects and once its over there really isn't a lot that sticks with you. I guess its mostly the action and Bond's ruthlessness that I like in this entry.

On a slightly unrelated note, I always get really annoyed when the bad guy's an oil tycoon or something like that. Don't know why that villain trope bugs me so much more than others, but it does.

[crocodile 8,017]

They actually had a line of dialogue mentioning it was 50 years old.

But I agree, the little tributes are far better handled in Skyfall. Bringing back the Aston is not exactly subtle, but dammit, it works.

And the look on Bonds face when they blow it up!

Why? He's probably never used that car before.

Its also a bit too bleak and cynical for its own good.

Wasn't Ian Fleming's Bond a neurotic depressed addict anyway?

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

In the last few books sure.

Bond dumping Mathis' body in a junk pile, that sort of thing. Borders a bit on nihilism. Much of it taking straight from Bourne, like the frantic editing and shakycam.

I don't hate the film like so many do, parts of it are rather good, other parts are interesting but don't quite work.

[crocodile 8,017]

I've seen the film only once so can't really remember it well.

I really like the score, however. For me, it's Arnold's second best Bond score. I know that all the previous ones have maybe better highlights. But this one is more coherent. Not overly spotted, somewhat darker sounding and full of small thematic elements that recur regularly. It's very well done.

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Casino Royale's score has stronger highlights, QOS is more consistent

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I prefer QOS's highlights, TBH. African Rundown and City of Lovers aren't my cup of tea.

CR does have its strengths, mostly in the smaller, descriptive cues like 'The Tell' (wonderfully atmospheric), but over all it's my least favourite Arnold Bond score.

Using the OHMSS theme in SPECTRE makes as much sense as using McCarthy's Generations in the next Star Trek film

Not much less than using Jerry's theme from TMP as the main theme in TNG.

Erm, there's been 18 Bond films and 22 official Bond themes since OHMSS. The comparison to Trek doesn't hold water.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It holds some water. The use of Jerry's theme from the first film seems arbitrary.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I don't know s. There had been what 5 main themes by that point? Courages, Goldsmith's, Horner's two and Rosenman's one. Courage's (the at least the jazzy soprano bit) was considered dated and out of the film themes Goldsmith's was easily the most iconic and memorable.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It was also thd only one that Roddenberry was actually involved in, since he produced TMP.

But why couldn't they use a brand new theme?

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

It was just laziness on their part. Bond fans would be accusing EON of the same if Newman's scored hinged on the OHMSS theme.

[Jay 37,368]

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Sharkissimo 1,973]