#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 No "Themes by David Arnold" credit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Does Wanker write more music than Kloser or is Kloser just generous by giving Wanker first billing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 He he he.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Shatner's Rug said: Does Wanker write more music than Kloser or is Kloser just generous by giving Wanker first billing? Wanker, do you like movies about gladiators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I bet the 'ID4 Reprise' is the only moment we'll hear Arnold's theme. If so then that's basically my interest in the film down from my 2% interest to 0.002% interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Well he didn't just write one theme, he wrote many. The menacing alien attack motif will be sorely missed. Then there's the presidential theme, Hiller's theme and an assortment of smaller, more less obvious motifs that were embedded throughout the score. And of course Nicholas Dodd's lush orchestrations. All gone! By the way, a snippet of the score can be heard here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Of course Arnold wrote more than one theme, but I'm talking about the main theme (which is basically the only theme we have a chance of hearing in the new film.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,515 Posted May 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just for fun I made a sort of pianistic compendium of the themes present in ID4: Your browser does not support the audio element. Russell Casse's theme - introduced in track 3's "Russell Casse - Pilot" cue, and then returns at the end of the film/score for "Just In Case / Attacker Fires Up", "Russell's Packin'" and "Victory". Its the theme that opens the End Credits suite and then returns at the end to close it out. Your browser does not support the audio element. "Independence Day" theme - Introduced at 0:18 "1969: We Came In Peace" , pops up in "Evacuation", "Aftermath", "Alien Ship Powers Up", "International Code", "The President's Speech", "Virus Uploaded", "Russell's Packin'", "The Day We Fight Back", "Jolly Roger", "Victory", etc. Its in the End Credits suite from 0:42-1:44, 4:50-5:20, 6:30-8:14. Your browser does not support the audio element. "Darkest Day" theme - introduced at 0:37 of "S.E.T.I. - Radio Signal", big statements throughout "The Darkest Day", big statement at 3:45 of "Target Remains / Rescue", appears in "Mutha Ship", etc Gets a spot in the End Credits from 3:07-4:01. Your browser does not support the audio element. Alien theme - appears at 1:46 of "1969 (Film Version)", "Satellite Destroyed", "The Destroyers Detach", 2:19 of "The Darkest Day" (Destroyer reveal) Your browser does not support the audio element. Hiller's theme - Introduced in and used throughout "Cancelled Leave", it gets a sweet fanfare version in the final minute of "Base Attack / Canyon Chase", sad version in "El Toro Destroyed", its used in "Wedding", at the end of "Attacker Fires Up", at the beginnings of "Launch Tunnel" and "Jolly Roger", etc. Its in the End Credits from 1:44-2:55, 4:01-4:40, and 5:20-6:30. Your browser does not support the audio element. First Lady theme (though I think this is only the B section...it's hard to tell. It appears towards the end "The First Lady ____", in any case) Any obvious ones I'm missing? But yeah, it'll be interesting to see if any of Arnold's themes make it through, and if so, in what way they are used. But I doubt that will happen in the end. EDIT: Added Hiller's theme and The First Lady theme. Jay, I may have stolen some of your timecodes! Pieter Boelen, Cerebral Cortex, karelm and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Who is Thomas Wander? Is that a typo? Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 3 hours ago, loert said: Just for fun I made a sort of pianistic compendium of the themes present in ID4: Your browser does not support the audio element. Heroic(?) theme Your browser does not support the audio element. Presidential theme Your browser does not support the audio element. "Darkest Day" theme Your browser does not support the audio element. Alien theme Any obvious ones I'm missing? Yeah, Hiller's theme. Check End Titles, 1:45. Also appears in Cancelled Leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 8 hours ago, Shatner's Rug said: Well he didn't just write one theme, he wrote many. The menacing alien attack motif will be sorely missed. Then there's the presidential theme, Hiller's theme and an assortment of smaller, more less obvious motifs that were embedded throughout the score. And of course Nicholas Dodd's lush orchestrations. All gone! By the way, a snippet of the score can be heard here: Everyone looks like a hot mess in this. The color grading is modern and ugly. I honestly couldn't stand watching this 30 second clip because it looks so atrocious. ID4 had a very natural look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I'm nervous about how that new 4K master looks. Did they give it a piss gold look like they did to Home Alone and Edward Scissorhands? Looks like Emmerich is trying to emulate Michael Bay in IDR with that hallmark orange and teal look. And I've read some online murmur that there's a lot of pandering to China since they want to maximise their returns from that region. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 5 hours ago, loert said: Just for fun I made a sort of pianistic compendium of the themes present in ID4: Your browser does not support the audio element. Heroic(?) theme Your browser does not support the audio element. Presidential theme Your browser does not support the audio element. "Darkest Day" theme Your browser does not support the audio element. Alien theme Any obvious ones I'm missing? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24399-what-film-score-thememelody-is-going-through-your-head-right-now/&do=findComment&comment=1246994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 The First Lady's Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Geez, the CGI aliens look awful. Terrible animation and really fake, smooth movement. Acting seems particularly wooden and Emmerich's shot blocking is pretty lazy. He's usually a bit more creative than this. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Maybe he's deliberately making all the wrong choices so that people won't want another sequel and they'll stop nagging him about making one. I'm beginning to get "modern movie syndrome" vibes here, which is never a good thing. Especially shameful because the original ID4 was very far removed from that sort of film making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I didn't realise Wanker had changed his name to Wander. I also didn't realise so many of the Kloser scores were actually co-collaborations between the two. I also quite like Wank..Wander's score for the Buffy TV series, so maybe this won't be the steaming pile of mediocrity I was expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Yeah but his music for Buffy was standard wallpaper TV scoring. Nothing remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Earth is too small for these new spaceships. They should have set if off-world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Wait his name actually is Thomas Wanker? How unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 New TV spot with new footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Wow! That giant alien! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 There seems to be a ridiculous scene where Jeff Goldblum drives a bus full of kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 We're taking the kid. You really wanna stop us? Shoot us. Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Mommy's very angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 sheeee has arrivvvvvved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wojo 2,453 Posted June 4, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2016 "Today an alien ship attacked Earth." So real people actually proofread this script before it was filmed, it wasn't just monkeys and typewriters? Cerebral Cortex, crumbs and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 You think we can find something better to do with our time, gentlemen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Something you'd like to add to this briefing, Captain White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 7 hours ago, Shatner's Rug said: Wow! That giant alien! Boner status achieved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 It's definitely bigger than the last one! Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 According to people on IMDb who have been listening to the audio book of the novelisation, the gay character is... Spoiler Dr Okun. Now I need to go re-read Silent Zone to see if this is a retcon and if he liked girls in that novel. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I got bored with Silent Zone and never finished it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 It's a quick read. I still haven't read War in the Desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Some more score: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Not as dull as I expected, but it still sounds like a pretty pale imitation of Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I remember reading the ID4 novelization before I saw the film. I knew the "I voted for the other guy" joke was coming before it was said. IIRC, the bit about uploading the virus to the alien mothership made more sense in the book than the film, too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Please don't suck! My other half Dave thinks this looks terrible. When you think about it logically the concept fails even if it sounds good. We had 20 years to prepare, so did they. Well 20 years is hardly enough time to accomplish rebuilding from the initial destruction. It's been 15 years since 9-11 and only one of the towers has been completed. Its highly unlikely that with Earth decimated, the unfathomable loss of life, we could rebuild our cities all the while reverse engineering the alien technology so that we build advance space fighters in that period. The current most advanced fighter, the F-35 started development in 1996 and is just now going into service. Okay it's just a movie I get it. Now that's out of the way I will try to enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Please don't suck! My other half Dave thinks this looks terrible. When you think about it logically the concept fails even if it sounds good. We had 20 years to prepare, so did they. Well 20 years is hardly enough time to accomplish rebuilding from the initial destruction. It's been 15 years since 9-11 and only one of the towers has been completed. Its highly unlikely that with Earth decimated, the unfathomable loss of life, we could rebuild our cities all the while reverse engineering the alien technology so that we build advance space fighters in that period. The current most advanced fighter, the F-35 started development in 1996 and is just now going into service. Okay it's just a movie I get it. Now that's out of the way I will try to enjoy it. In the post-war ID4 world, pretty much all of that obstructive bureacracy was wiped out and consequently there was more collective drive to recreate lost infrastructure and restore working institutions or else risk being caught offguard again. Unity and camaraderie are big themes in ID4, so dramatically it makes sense. And according to an interview with Emmerich, alien tech wasn't reverse-engineered, rather it was "harnessed" and "built-upon". So I gather they just took existing elements from alien tech and retrofit it into human-built tech. Pieter Boelen and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Reverse engineered. You have to know how it works first before you can build on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I'm also going by this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 It's common knowledge the US has plans in place to rebuild if terrorist destroy a public landmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 52 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: The current most advanced fighter, the F-35 started development in 1996 and is just now going into service. The JSF is an over budget, behind schedule, and underperforming failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 We have just taken delivery of ours models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 24 minutes ago, WojinPA said: The JSF is an over budget, behind schedule, and underperforming failure. Actually that isn't true at all. It is proving in testing to do things the plane (F-16) it's going to replace cannot do at all. It's true it's got cost overruns but so has every plane before it. But the doves will still cry and tell their lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 4 hours ago, Jay said: IIRC, the bit about uploading the virus to the alien mothership made more sense in the book than the film, too.... I never read the book. If you know any details, consider me interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I read it 20 years ago, barely recall anything about it, sorry! Oh, I remember that most of the scenes that popped back up in the Director's Cut of the film had been in the novelization Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Emmerich is actually pretty reliable in his comfort genre and never really turns in an unenteraining couple of hours, but no matter what Drax is still setting himself up for a fall with this. Maybe even a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I hope he has a great time. I want this to be fun. Still I'm ready for a more intimate set of films that are not end of the world scenarios. Life and death are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Oh I'm prepared for the worst. This might be a disappointment for me on par or even worse than the old guard SW fans endured when they first saw TPM. However I tempered my exectations significantly after my initial devastation that David Arnold was sideswiped in classic studio politics fashion. Then the trailers were released and I was like "hey, this might actually be good!" But at least I'll still have my memories of the first film and the impact it had on me as a wide-eyed 11-year-old during the optimistic decade of the 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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