#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 The tight schedule is all the more reason to draft in copyists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I woudl think copyists would be automatically on the composer's staff. Not a single composer copies the instrumental parts themselves.Oh and the amount of music Shore wrote during the hottest post production hurry was around 6 minutes/day, not 10, at least if you go by the RotK EE postproduction documentaries, which is still about 3x the amount the composer normally writes per day (both Shore and Williams have mentioned that about 2 minutes would be average for them) but it was still fully orchestrated musical material so that must have been absolutely exhausting as writing was only just half the job since they also had to record later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,985 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I seem to remember the quote as '6 minutes of composing a day' at the busiest period, so I'm not sure the orchestration was part of that.2 minutes of orchestrated music per day is a figure I've heard several composers mention - seems to be a magic number of sorts (Shore said it's mathematical).But on the other hand, I've heard that TV is often scored at a rate of an episode (~40 mins) in less than a week. Is there something being sacrificed to write for that sort of timescale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Regarding TV, I remember Murray Gold saying he got used to writing episodes really really fast. The funny result is that some are just there while others are pretty much their own score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 That I guess it does hurt TV scores to write that fast, although it's possible to do it.One can find a reduced palette that works well like Gia on Lost and go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I seem to remember the quote as '6 minutes of composing a day' at the busiest period, so I'm not sure the orchestration was part of that.2 minutes of orchestrated music per day is a figure I've heard several composers mention - seems to be a magic number of sorts (Shore said it's mathematical).But on the other hand, I've heard that TV is often scored at a rate of an episode (~40 mins) in less than a week. Is there something being sacrificed to write for that sort of timescale?Actually the point in the documentary was that it was completely orchestrated music as Shore was doing it all himself so it was extremely exhausting. And what else would writing for an orchestra be if not orchestration in large part? We should not confuse orchestration with the normal duties of the film scoring staff like copyists or assistants, who handle the actual physical work of distributing and photocopying the written music to the players. They are not adding anything to the music, they facilitate the physical labour of creating so much paper (=sheet music) and getting it ready on time for the musicians to perform.For some reason the use of orchestrators (or any scoring staff at all) seems all of a sudden to cast huge shadows and doubts over a film composer's skill and ability to produce his music by himself independently. As Maurizio said it is non-news really that orchestrators are part of most regular film productions since their work is to help the composer to finish on time and not impose their voice on the music they are hired to assist with. I would imagine that a master orchestrator gets to know the voice of the composer through his music, makes note of their preferences and choices, take notes from the composer and then works under those instructions and writes out the music accordingly, turning condensed sketches into full scores. For some reason this has suddenly become some sort of cheat and "ghost writing" process when it is not. I'll give you that through the history of Hollywood there has always been the more underhanded ghostwriting happening but that we should maliciously and cynically expect it to be the norm among people like Shore or Williams and speculate about it earnestly or in jest is just ridiculous.I suppose some people will soon consider using an orchestra to record the score a form of artistic cheating, letting other people interpret the music instead of the composer performing it all himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 *still can't work out why everyone hates Finn's song so much*(come on..... ok, I could do without the chanting, but we've all heard worse. I also like the extended ending.)I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 But on the other hand, I've heard that TV is often scored at a rate of an episode (~40 mins) in less than a week. Is there something being sacrificed to write for that sort of timescale?TV scores are generally 20 to 25 minutes long, and consists mainly of short cues (2 minutes, in general). Yeah, that's still a lot for a week, but you have to take into account that there aren't generally big 8-minute long action sequences or things like that in TV episodes that are exhausting to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 But on the other hand, I've heard that TV is often scored at a rate of an episode (~40 mins) in less than a week. Is there something being sacrificed to write for that sort of timescale?TV scores are generally 20 to 25 minutes long, and consists mainly of short cues (2 minutes, in general). Yeah, that's still a lot for a week, but you have to take into account that there aren't generally big 8-minute long action sequences or things like that in TV episodes that are exhausting to write.I think there is also less time for post-production tinkering or major rewrites on TV-shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 461 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I don't see what the fuss is about Shore hiring Conrad Pope and Clifford Tasner to orchestrate his DOS and TaBA scores. Maybe we can have a score album that corroborates with the music that makes it into the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,976 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 or perhaps the first LOTR related sessions leak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 PJ will probably ask Shore to use the Company's theme. Or he'll just track a statement of that theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,976 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 All the more reason for them to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 He already said it, the Ring theme was magical for the Argonath, so PJ wil simply ask for a rerecording of that cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 A bit pessimistic Georg?I think the simple ascending majesty of the Erebor Theme would be magnificent for that shot. Really depends on how this shot will be used in the storytelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 scallenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I don't think it will be a really glorious rendition of a theme, though, since there is danger ahead (ya know, the dragon). I think we can expect something similar to the rendition of Erebor's theme heard at the end of A Good Omen.Yeah. Thorin's Theme and Erebor Theme both carry a bit weary or stoic cast to them so they would be pretty obvious choices as they could well illustrate journey yet not over play heroism at such grim and dangerous moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Or Conrad Pope can do it. Give Howard a weekend off. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Or Conrad Pope can do it. Give Howard a weekend off. KarolOh don't you start that again Karol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'm sure Pope will add a boom-tzzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Oooh, boom-tzzes in Middle-Earth? Nice. Can't wait for the glock runs too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I want John Williams piccolos and xylophone all over everything!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,976 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Gkgyver will oficially start worrying, now that you posted that Karo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Some people are under the misapprehension that having Pope orchestrate means the same as "I'll have two large scoops of bmmmtzzzz and a sprinkle of xylophones and woodwind runs on top". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 When it obvious it actually means the score will sound like Desplat's music.Light and fluffy as cotton candy and bunny rabbit tails? crocodile and Brónach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 When it obvious it actually means the score will sound like Desplat's music.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CibExazgMugLight and fluffy as cotton candy and bunny rabbit tails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I want a circle of Boom--tzz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I want a circle of Boom--tzz!Bam, badubadum, (tzzzzzzzzzzzz) bababadubadum, badubadum, babadum-tzzzzzzzzzz!(pause)BADUBADUM-TZZZZZZZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I want a circle of Boom--tzz!Bam, badubadum, (tzzzzzzzzzzzz) bababadubadum, badubadum, babadum-tzzzzzzzzzz!(pause)BADUBADUM-TZZZZZZZ!Hey that sounds like Khuzdûl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 That would be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 That would be an improvement.I trust David Salo and his extrapolations on the language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 It's going to sound like Akkadian.Awîlam shuâti abâka isbatû. Ana shepi sharrim bêlîya amqut. Enlil bêlum rabûm nakram ina mâtim itrud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Apparently, The Desolation Of Smaug score will be recorded in New Zealand.http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8908885/NZSO-hits-high-note-with-Hobbit-sequel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Interesting. I wonder whether this means some portions or the whole thing?I'll miss LPO.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Wellington Town Hall? Cool!I guess the Edge Of The Wild will be re-recorded too then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 393 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Does this provide further proof that all was not well with the scoring process for AUJ, and that things are being done to rectify the hectic the problems (orchestrators, and now recording in New Zealand). Hopefully it will result in better co-operation between Jackson and Shore.I doubt it's a slight on the LPO, and I can't see why Shore would be unhappy with them after doing the vast majority of his Middle-Earth music with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Who knows? It might be a practical decision, maybe they couldn't book a venue in London or something and recording things in Wellington gives them more flexibility? Maybe they simply want to promote NZ musicians?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Maybe that's because that way, it will be easier for Shore and Plan 9 to collaborate on the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Who knows? It might be a practical decision, maybe they couldn't book a venue in London or something and recording things in Wellington gives them more flexibility? Maybe they simply want to promote NZ musicians?KarolI guess whole being half a world away for the recording of the soundtrack in the busy post production period was finally thought impractical by both Shore and PJ. I understand that PJ wants to move the music production closer to home to facilitate the process. I just hope NZ symphony can hold their own in the face of LPO's superlative performance on the previous scores. As Karol said I too will miss LPO on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Yup the Moria music was indeed recorded by the NZSO, as a special preview was put together month's before FOTR's release, and the preview was the Mines of Moria sequence. The original version of the finale cue was also recorded by the NZSO and appears under the fan club credits of the EE, while the final version recorded by the LPO was used in the final film and on the OST/CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Different orchestra, different orchestrators? Why all this change?Shore himself says he always writes with the LPO in mind. I really hope the NZO can match their performances. You don't often get the warmth in sound that the LPO is so good at delivering, or their killer brass section. The spirit of their performances especially defines the sound of Middle-Earth.The LPO will be missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well, for people who are suckers for continuity (that includes me), it sure ain't a great piece of news... Bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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