#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 This is basically a redo of a poll i did in 2002, shortly after Attack Of The Clones was released. (and yes AOTC is the 5th Star Wars film!)Both are films with pretty big flaws. Both are considered among the weakest in their particular franchise.But of these 2, which do you prefer?I have to say I vastly prefer Star Trek V. Yes it's a massively flawed film. The very concept of the plot is questionable at the very least, the script is flawed, Shatner's direction, while overall not bad at all, does occasionally show that he lacks experience, and a lot of the special effects are really second rate, even for a 1989 film on a budget.But throughout I care!I care about the established characters, I care about the "villain". The plot, while questionable, does hold it's interest for a long time throughout the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Without a doubt, Star Trek V. I agree with practically all of your points.As we know Star Trek V is good up until they reach the Great Barrier then that's where it shoots itself in the foot. I could watch Star Trek V more times than AOTC.Plus Star Trek V's score is better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 It'd help if I knew from the OP what the fifth Star Trek movie was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 The Enterprise is looking for God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 More like the "villain" was, you got to admit Sybok was a unique character. Not very often did we have a Vulcan who had embraced both logic and emotion (emotion more than logic) at the same time and thus had an actual sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 True, but that's faaar to Trekkie for someone like Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,673 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I must admit I'm more a Star Wars fan than Star Trek.I own the DVD box-set called "Star Trek: The Motion Picture Trilogy" (II, III and IV). This is for me the essential.Concerning Star Wars prequels, I did'nt like them that much, they really show the limits of George Lucas.Finally, you have to add a third choice : none of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Finally, you have to add a third choice : none of them. That would be as pointless as the above post is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Meh, probably Star Trek if only because I've always been somewhat more in that camp than the Star Wars camp. I've never not enjoyed anything Star Trek related, even the so called duds, but AotC has seen few replays from me beyond the Yoda/Dooku duel and other choice moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,932 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I choose Star Wars V the Empire Strikes back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Not in this poll you don't!The Empire Strikes Back was the second Star Wars film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Well I'm still none the wiser, so I'll just say Star Trek V is better anyway. Off the top of my head literally all of Star Trek is better than Attack of the Shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Champion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,412 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Never quite got all the hate towards Star Trek V. It's a very watchable film. Laughable, sure, but enjoyable.Karol Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Whereas AotC is a parasitic legacy destroying abomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 And it got Goldsmith back in full regal comic book mode after some abominations like RENT-A-COP, so it deserves kudos for that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Kirk meets God and dismisses him. Anakin meets Dookie and throws a hissy fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,412 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Notice that Attack of the Clones is one film in the saga that never gets mentioned in almost any context. People love the first two, have some opinions one way or another on Jedi, generally strong negative opinion on TPM and mixed one to ROTS. But Clones is like a black hole - nobody actually remembers or cares.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 AOTC got sucked into the black hole that is Dexter Jetster and ceased to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Never quite got all the hate towards Star Trek V. It's a very watchable film. Laughable, sure, but enjoyable.KarolIt's good, yes just it sorta lost itself at the Great Barrier. I mean it tried to pick up a bit at that certain point when they realized that "God" was another entity trying to escape imprisonment but ya it is watchable, unlike a good portion of AOTC...However, I will say that Shatner did nail down the bantering between Spock and McCoy.I do love Wojo's analogy of how Kirk dismissed "God" yet Anakin had a hissy fit with Dooku."What does "god" need with a Starship?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Trek 5 is the only film that has Kirk, Spock and McCoy together thoughout the whole film.Just for that, it's a bit special. Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Trek 5 is the only film that has Kirk, Spock and McCoy together thoughout the whole film.Just for that, it's a bit special.Yes. And possibly my favorite Goldsmith themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,412 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 But AOTC has one action sequence that I like. Quite dumb, if you think about it, but at least there's some excitement. You know, especially the big without weapons. It's better than the lightsaber duels in the last two films, anyway. Not to mention one of the few film score cues that were largely left intact. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 135 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Starwars always beats Star Trek. Not Mr. Big and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 It does have its moments... almost all of which are action related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Starwars always beats Star Trek. Yes, phantom menace avatar guy. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Starwars always beats Star Trek.Ignoring the "Because, I was inverted" from Tom Cruise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Starwars always beats Star Trek.Ok, hotshot, new poll. Caravan of Courage versus Wrath of Khan. Aaaaaaaaaaand go. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Star Trek V is a better movie start to finish.Better story, better actors, better pacing, better music and, yes, I dare say also better visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Star Trek V is a better movie start to finish.Better story, better actors, better pacing, better music and, yes, I dare say also better visuals.No amount of CGI can trump beautiful cinematography of Yosemite. Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 No amount of CGI can trump beautiful cinematography of Yosemite.Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,297 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Geez, there's a a lot for "ST: V", isn't there? I agree with all the posts re: "V": it beats "AOTC" in every single way. It has some of the very best cinematography of the series, the sound-mix is fantastic, and I won't even mention the score... It's a pity that WS was not able to complete the film as he originally intended, which means that some of the EFX shots are literally unfinished!I understand that he went to Paramount and asked for some cash to create a "Sp. Ed.", but that Paramount said "no". Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,208 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 They made 5 Star trek films? The first one was all ready The 5th SW is a decent flick with a great score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I have to say "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier", ultimately. Aside from a reduced budget that shows itself on screen, at least one bad action sequence (the crash landing into the Enterprise docking station), that ridiculous and almost unspeakable scene with Uhura seducing those guards, and some anti-climatic goodness, it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.That scene with McCoy and his father is probably better than the entirety of AotC. "Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 They made 5 Star trek films? The first one was all ready The 5th SW is a decent flick with a great score.Dude, just reinstate the avatar, embrace your one true JWFan love again and stop mincing around like a dejected ex boyfriend who won't go away.I have one request if you do though: please use the Fabioesque pic. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,974 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I think we should make a petition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,208 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 They made 5 Star trek films? The first one was all ready The 5th SW is a decent flick with a great score.Dude, just reinstate the avatar, embrace your one true JWFan love again and stop mincing around like a dejected ex boyfriend who won't go away.I have one request if you do though: please use the Fabioesque pic.You are right, a stupid drunken visit to the ex-love, hoping for sex.Noticing also this place still sucks a big time. Moderators: Please ban me, forever. It's still posibble to lurk as a guest, when A Book Thief and SW 7 comes, how much you guys will hate those. Fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 They made 5 Star trek films? The first one was all ready The 5th SW is a decent flick with a great score. Dude, just reinstate the avatar, embrace your one true JWFan love again and stop mincing around like a dejected ex boyfriend who won't go away.I have one request if you do though: please use the Fabioesque pic."I liked him better before he died!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 You are right, a stupid drunken visit to the ex-love, hoping for sex. Noticing also this place still sucks a big time. You're right, it does. For the time being. But at least you're handsome. We've got to hold onto what we've got in these orchestrational dark days. What good is great composition if all the players are ugly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 What does George need with a fifth film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Attack of the Clones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Really? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 For SW fanboys, all SW related media is better than everything else by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 What happened with Pasi anyway? I think I missed the dramatic exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 You did. It was the usual dramatics involved with pseudo retirement, fueled by ale as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 It's sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 For SW fanboys, all SW related media is better than everything else by default.The SW fanboys haven't answered the Caravan of Courage question I posed.I think the strong cast of V makes it automatically better than Nemesis and Into Darkness. But any worst Trek movie is still better than the worst Star Wars movie. And getting mad about it is like arguing over whose shit stinks worse: it's still what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 ST:V, being devoid of everything else related to quality, has heart. AotC, being devoid of everything related to heart, has expensive but crappy effects. ST:V wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Everything else related to quality except for a damn fine Goldsmith score, you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now