Do you *really* think Shore's LOTR is as good as Williams' Star Wars OT?

[nightscape94 965]

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within is what introduced me to Goldenthal. Love that score.

[publicist 4,643]

Try S.W.A.T. for a more testosterone-fueled action score.

[Quintus 5,399]

Try S.W.A.T. for a more testosterone-fueled action score.

I like that sort of sound and that's a good track but it's not as good as this one:

The best Robocop-esque 'on patrol' theme since, er, Robocop. And the David Arnoldness of it makes it one for Steefy, too.

[publicist 4,643]

You like that because it has one of those Williams fugue things running underneath! But it is a cool track...and sold out!

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Goldenthal is an excellent composer, but he has yet to do anything that rivals Shore's achievement.

[KK 3,307]

Careful, you're going to make pub go off now

It's a pity Goldenthal is no longer interested in film music, it's not like all his concert work is readily available to us!

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Careful, you're going to make pub go off now

It's a pity Goldenthal is no longer interested in film music, it's not like all his concert work is readily available to us!

I'm counting on it.

Yes, I would not at all mind a comprehensive release of his concert music. There's a string quartet, the Othello symphony, his recent symphony, some chamber music. Must have it!

If it makes Pub feel any better, I think his concert music is better than Shore's.

[KK 3,307]

I agree with your comparison, both from the film music stance and concert music view. Shore's concert music tends to be more conservative anyway. Usually pleasant stuff, but largely neoclassical and restrained compared to the more bold, post-modern stuff we hear from Goldenthal, which I largely prefer.

And in case it wasn't obvious already, LotR wins for me with film music. Though I'd argue it has some Goldenthal-esque moments itself.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

It's not only a stylistic thing though. I found his cello concerto to be almost shockingly meandering and flat. The snippets of what I assume is his piano concerto that you can hear in that "A Composer's Dream" video are in the same neo-classical mode, but sound much more engaging.

[Quintus 5,399]

You like that because it has one of those Williams fugue things running underneath!

Indeed, you're quite right

And because that melody is actually better than most recent movie themes.

But it is a cool track...and sold out!

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/291094215583

[publicist 4,643]

Thanks!

[A. A. Ron 1,744]

It's also $1 on SAE. Add the cost of international shipping and that might not be much cheaper, but still.

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/4045/HEADHUNTER-REDEMPTION-HEADHUNTER-2-CD-SET/

[Ricard 2,245]

I will count Jay's vote as SW.

Now I just need Jason's, Leblanc's, our Administrator's, and Macy's fiance's.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What are you trying to prove with this pill Ricard?

[KK 3,307]

That's what I've been wondering myself.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

ZAT JOHN WILLIAMS IZ DA BOMB, DUDE!!!!LULZ!!! SHORE SUX!!!! LMFAO!!!

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

See my third post in the thread.

[gkgyver 1,646]

What are you trying to prove with this pill Ricard?

Didn't you read it on page 1? The topic has been discussed insufficiently.

[Trent B 337]

In two word's...... HELL NO!

Williams Original Trilogy scores blow Shore's scores the LOTR movies by a mile. That is all.

[Score 770]

There's no comparison.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

What are you trying to prove with this pill Ricard?

Didn't you read it on page 1? The topic has been discussed insufficiently.

Obviously. Look at the recent additions to this thread. Groundbreaking stuff.

[gkgyver 1,646]

It's his board, he can use it to boost his ego whenever he feels like it.

There's no comparison.

Quite right. Star Trek takes a dump on Star Wars.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Fuck yeah!

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Goldsmith's TMP > All 6 Williams SW scores

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Fuck yeah!

[crocodile 8,020]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture = Star Wars/The Empire Strikes Back

Karol

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

No! What I said is right, and I will create a poll to prove it!

[Ricard 2,245]

Polls don't prove anything, they're merely informative.

It's his board, he can use it to boost his ego whenever he feels like it.

If that was the case I wouldn't have unbanned you a couple of years ago.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Polls don't prove anything, they're merely informative.

What does this poll inform us about? That most John Williams fans prefer the Star Wars trilogy over the LOTR trilogy? I already knew that before you even made that poll! You could have just asked me!

[Quintus 5,399]

Goldsmith's TMP > All 6 Williams SW scores

Star Trek: The Motion Picture = Star Wars/The Empire Strikes Back

Karol

Lol

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

CAPRICORN ONE > STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Hmmmmmmm... I don't think I feel the same way.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

ST:TMP is an excellent score, but is compromised by Fred Steiner's ghost-arranging, as good as it is. It doesn't as feel as unified as it should. Herrmann and Newman's THE EGYPTIAN is a perfect example of a collaboration score. It's split 50/50, and the overall result is seamless.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

That's a legitimate point. But even if Capricorn One has a more cohesive sound, it lacks a certain *something* for me. Might be due to my preferences between the films.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

ST:TMP is an excellent score, but is compromised by Fred Steiner's ghost-arranging, as good as it is. It doesn't as feel as unified as it should. Herrmann and Newman's THE EGYPTIAN is a perfect example of a collaboration score. It's split 50/50, and the overall result is seamless.

It's already less unified as the average Goldsmith score because several cues contains the early, more balletesque style Jerry eventually abandoned after Bob Wise wanted a stronger theme.

[Quintus 5,399]

That's a legitimate point. But even if Capricorn One has a more cohesive sound, it lacks a certain *something* for me. Might be due to my preferences between the films.

True. I prefer Capricorn. And it's main theme is a bit of an overlooked force of nature, even if I can't remember anything outside of it.

As for Star Trek: TMP; too much Next Gen tea time at 6pm on BBC2 memories from 1998 in there. Not my cup of tea.

But the suspense material is terrific.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

That's a legitimate point. But even if Capricorn One has a more cohesive sound, it lacks a certain *something* for me. Might be due to my preferences between the films.

You prefer the stillborn ST:TMP?

Hey I like Robert Wise too, but here it's like he's trying to do Kubrick in 2001 mode and falling flat on his face.

CAPRICORN ONE's got pace, humour, tension, a sharp screenplay, Elliot Gould, Hal Holbrook and Telly.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

Ehh, it's the franchise that saves it. I have more of a vested interest in it, even if it's the lesser film.

[gkgyver 1,646]

Polls don't prove anything, they're merely informative.

What does this poll inform us about? That most John Williams fans prefer the Star Wars trilogy over the LOTR trilogy? I already knew that before you even made that poll! You could have just asked me!

This is HSfan.com, the revelation is earth- shattering.

[Ricard 2,245]

Why are you guys (gkgyver, Who?, and a couple others) so annoyed at this poll? And why do you keep posting on this thread? Just curious...

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

I'm not annoyed at it, it just seems utterly pointless, beating a dead horse for the sake of trying to prove the point that more people here prefer SW. As if you gain something by proving that, or that it even needs to be proven. I think I've made my feelings on it quite clear at this point though, as has everyone else. That you remain curious about the reasons is baffling.

I continue posting here because more interesting discussions have started in the thread.

ST:TMP is an excellent score, but is compromised by Fred Steiner's ghost-arranging, as good as it is. It doesn't as feel as unified as it should. Herrmann and Newman's THE EGYPTIAN is a perfect example of a collaboration score. It's split 50/50, and the overall result is seamless.

It's already less unified as the average Goldsmith score because several cues contains the early, more balletesque style Jerry eventually abandoned after Bob Wise wanted a stronger theme.

Which cues do you feel deviate from that style?

[Richard Penna 3,696]

I'm not annoyed at it, it just seems utterly pointless, beating a dead horse for the sake of trying to prove the point that more people here prefer SW. As if you gain something by proving that, or that it even needs to be proven. I think I've made my feelings on it quite clear at this point though, as has everyone else. That you remain curious about the reasons is baffling.

I continue posting here because more interesting discussions have started in the thread.

That.

The very title of the poll suggests it's abnormal for someone to prefer LotR over SW, hence there is some insecurity that you're trying to validate, by demonstrating that the forum prefers SW.

I haven't even heard most of ESB or RotJ. I've never seen either movie, and what I have heard was not a musical style which appeals to me. LotR is my era.

[Ricard 2,245]

I'm not annoyed at it, it just seems utterly pointless, beating a dead horse for the sake of trying to prove the point that more people here prefer SW. As if you gain something by proving that, or that it even needs to be proven. I think I've made my feelings on it quite clear at this point though, as has everyone else. That you remain curious about the reasons is baffling.

This last post of yours indicates, once again, that you ARE annoyed -because you think the poll is "pointless" and that "I'm trying to prove" anything (which of course is not my intention at all).

The SW trilogy scores are NOT better than LOTR, or viceversa. How many people here (and who) THINK that one is better than the other, is what I'm trying to find out.

And it's exactly what I'm getting, plus a few interesting extras that have nothing to do with film scores...

The very title of the poll suggests it's abnormal for someone to prefer LotR over SW, hence there is some insecurity that you're trying to validate, by demonstrating that the forum prefers SW.

Only in the head of a few LOTR fans.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

I'm not annoyed at it, it just seems utterly pointless, beating a dead horse for the sake of trying to prove the point that more people here prefer SW. As if you gain something by proving that, or that it even needs to be proven. I think I've made my feelings on it quite clear at this point though, as has everyone else. That you remain curious about the reasons is baffling.

This last post of yours indicates, once again, that you ARE annoyed -because you think the poll is "pointless" and that "I'm trying to prove" anything (which of course is not my intention at all).

The SW trilogy scores are NOT better than LOTR, or viceversa. How many people here (and who) THINK that one is better than the other, is what I'm trying to find out.

And it's exactly what I'm getting, plus a few interesting extras that have nothing to do with film scores...

The very title of the poll suggests it's abnormal for someone to prefer LotR over SW, hence there is some insecurity that you're trying to validate, by demonstrating that the forum prefers SW.

Only in the head of a few LOTR fans.

I do think the poll is pointless, and that you are trying to prove something - this does not annoy me.

What is beginning to annoy me is the slightly smug attitude that your posts exude.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The SW scores are better than the Snore of the Rings scores!

[gkgyver 1,646]

I'm not annoyed at it, it just seems utterly pointless, beating a dead horse for the sake of trying to prove the point that more people here prefer SW. As if you gain something by proving that, or that it even needs to be proven. I think I've made my feelings on it quite clear at this point though, as has everyone else. That you remain curious about the reasons is baffling.

This last post of yours indicates, once again, that you ARE annoyed -because you think the poll is "pointless" and that "I'm trying to prove" anything (which of course is not my intention at all).

The SW trilogy scores are NOT better than LOTR, or viceversa. How many people here (and who) THINK that one is better than the other, is what I'm trying to find out.

And it's exactly what I'm getting, plus a few interesting extras that have nothing to do with film scores...

The very title of the poll suggests it's abnormal for someone to prefer LotR over SW, hence there is some insecurity that you're trying to validate, by demonstrating that the forum prefers SW.

Only in the head of a few LOTR fans.

I do think the poll is pointless, and that you are trying to prove something - this does not annoy me.

What is beginning to annoy me is the slightly smug attitude that your posts exude.

This.

Personally, I find LotR superior (even though I voted they are equal), and if just for the far superior choral work.

[Ricard 2,245]

this does not annoy me.

I really think it does (you and gkgyver).

What is beginning to annoy me is the slightly smug attitude that your posts exude.

You may be right! But try to find that same attitude in your own posts. You'll be surprised

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

I think perhaps you aren't familiar enough with the way I type to realize that any smugness you detect is imagined. Sarcasm, on the other hand, abounds.

And I'm sorry that you feel it annoys me. But, as the only one between us who knows what goes on in my own mind, I can assure you it does not.

[Ricard 2,245]

Great then!

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

the far superior choral work.

There's much more of it in the LOTR scores, but Williams's treatment of the male chorus in ROTJ alone is far more sophisticated and nuanced than Shore's endless block chords, mediant relations and clusters.