Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 JW's true iconic themes known by the wide public are:Jaws themeStar Wars main titleE.T. theme (the flying theme)Force themeRaiders marchSuperman marchJP themeHedwig's ThemeOlympic Fanfare and themeNBC newsThe old Olympic fanfare is iconic, but that's not Williams. I doubt people would as readily recognize the Williams portion. The NBC news theme is something that people of older generations might know unconsciously, and would maybe recognize, but I also don't think it's a truly iconic Williams theme. E.T. and JP aren't necessarily as widely known as the others too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 But what about Finn's theme? Only time will tell... I'm rooting more for The First Order March (Kylo Ren's Theme). I would have imagined you rooting for Finn above anything else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 No.Inky and Pasi are the ones rooting for Finn, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I will be rooting for Ren! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 But what about Finn's theme? Only time will tell... I'm rooting more for The First Order March (Kylo Ren's Theme). I would have imagined you rooting for Finn above anything else!Oh yeah I am, but musically speaking I hope Williams will be able to write something that is as memorable as The Imperial March since he's already been responsible for such an abundance of classic hero-themes. But of course you're right: Finn all the way man..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 #teamreyallday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 JW's true iconic themes known by the wide public are:Jaws themeStar Wars main titleE.T. theme (the flying theme)Force themeRaiders marchSuperman marchJP themeHedwig's ThemeOlympic Fanfare and themeNBC newsThe old Olympic fanfare is iconic, but that's not Williams. I doubt people would as readily recognize the Williams portion. The NBC news theme is something that people of older generations might know unconsciously, and would maybe recognize, but I also don't think it's a truly iconic Williams theme. E.T. and JP aren't necessarily as widely known as the others too.I think they're still using Williams' theme for NBC News -- and not only the rerecorded version that Williams did in 2007, but also some new, "beefed up" versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes. But the people who watch NBC news are probably largely still the same who watched back then. TV news isn't exactly something that's catching on with younger generations, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes. But the people who watch NBC news are probably largely still the same who watched back then. TV news isn't exactly something that's catching on with younger generations, I think.And besides: the NBC News theme may be known to Americans, but outside of the US the music doesn't ring any bells. I would definately not place it alongside Star Wars, Jaws or The Raiders' March for that reason alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Let's face it... Williams has dominated every decade with his themes and music since the 70's.Not the 00's! I wouldn't say he "dominated" the 90s either, really. I tend to think of that as more James Horner or Alan Menken's.decade in popular terms, subjective as these things are.But I get what he's saying, every decade he's had at least one theme or piece of music that really nails it. Would be cool for him to do it again, though it's almost cheating with Star Wars. I think it would be even cooler if he could elevate another original movie i.e. non-sequel. The BFG awaits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The whole notion of evaluating a theme due to its "iconic" nature is a bit odd. To be "iconic" necessarily means to be well known and thus is dependent on factors outside of musical quality. Beethoven's Ode to Joy is probably not well known to billions in the world due to a lack of a proper vehicle, but that says nothing about its musical quality. similarly, most non-Americans do not know the NBC mission theme and thus it is not "iconic," but who gives a damn, it is still a top-notch piece of music. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Beethoven's Ode to Joy is probably not well known to billions in the world due to a lack of a proper vehicle, but that says nothing about its musical quality."Ode to Joy" is quite popular with much of the world though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Williams' most iconic themes are obviously Snowy's Theme, The River, Irina's Theme, Angela's Ashes Reprise and Wednesday Special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm sure SUH would agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I will too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Obviously this is such a vague notion, anyway. You can't even really base it on anything other than personal scattered memories of how often we've heard these things played and referenced (cue Blume with a collection of statistics?).I think it comes from a desire to confirm that Williams' music is still relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, what are we hoping for from Finn's theme? I hope it sounds something like a hip-hop remix of "The Adventures of Mutt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes! I hope it sounds modern, with lots of cool beatz 'n shit!Neil Finn could do it! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes! Finn for Finn's theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 An urban theme for Finn would be very interesting. Something that has its roots in soulful American music from the 70s, or today's street or "gangsta" music. I'm just spitballing ideas here; I don't know anything about the character but somehow it seems right. Who's playing him again? Isn't he Asian? I don't really *see* color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Something like the rhythmic chant in Electro's theme from TASM 2 would be neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Or something like the opening of Hancock. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I think it'll sound more like Amistad. "Dry Your Tears, Stormtroopa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Nah, seriously, I'm very much looking forward to Finn's storyline and his theme. Already from a preview it looks like more interesting than anything in the past 35 years.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm just glad there's a lead girl who is hopefully a Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 And a record scratch when it's revealed not to be Finn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 They're really trying to sell us Finn as being the new Jedi, but I just don't buy it. I'm 100% certain that Rey being the one who's Force-sensitive is supposed to be a surprise moment in the film. With a glorious choral rendition of her theme when this is revealed!This isn't 1991, you know. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 As soon as they showed Finn with the lightsaber in the tv commercials and then the poster, I figured it was classic misdirection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Not as iconic as "Finnale and End Credits" (alternate title, "Fin") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 They're really trying to sell us Finn as being the new Jedi, but I just don't buy it. I'm 100% certain that Rey being the one who's Force-sensitive is supposed to be a surprise moment in the film. With a glorious choral rendition of her theme when this is revealed!This isn't 1991, you know.KarolMan now JW has to write a cue called "You Are the Finn". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 As soon as they showed Finn with the lightsaber in the tv commercials and then the poster, I figured it was classic misdirection. The true surprise would be if neither of them was Force-sensitive.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The only character we've seen use any force powers in the trailers is Kylo Ren, right? Even that was just him holding his hand out over Poe's head causing Poe pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Nevermore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Quote the Raven! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If anyone is interested in reading a lenghty and I predict fairly accurate plot synopsis -at least based on the leaked information so far- of The Force Awakens I think this is a great read:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByQR6taehVh7MUdKLWdLRUx5eG8/view?pli=1But --- MEGA SPOILER ALERT of course..! It does answer the question about who's Force sensitive and who's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Well, didn't expect it to be BB8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Well, didn't expect it to be BB8!Surprising huh..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 JW's true iconic themes known by the wide public are:Jaws themeStar Wars main titleE.T. theme (the flying theme)Force themeRaiders marchSuperman marchJP themeHedwig's ThemeOlympic Fanfare and themeNBC newsThe old Olympic fanfare is iconic, but that's not Williams. I doubt people would as readily recognize the Williams portion.Although Williams combined Leo Arnaud's "Bugler's Dream" with his own theme for the 1996 recording, the "Olympic Fanfare and Theme" that KM is referring to, composed and recorded for the 1984 games, is entirely Williams. But no it's not amongst Williams' "true iconic themes". And I don't think E.T. or JP belong in there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 You are obviously mistaken! Jurassic Park is iconic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 You are ALL mistaken.The iconic themes of John Williams -or perhaps better 'most famous' themes- are:Jaws ThemeMain Title from Star WarsRebel Fanfare from Star WarsThe Force Theme from Star WarsClose Encounters Theme (5 note motif)Superman ThemeThe Imperial March from The Empire Strikes BackThe Raiders' March from Raiders Of The Lost ArkThe Flying Theme from E.T. The Extra-TerrestrialJurassic Park ThemeSchindler's List ThemeHedwig's Theme from Harry Potter And The Sorcerer's StoneSomewhere In My Memory from Home Alone is close to it, but doesn't reach the heights of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I highly doubt the Schindler's List theme is iconic. Everything else is, though.Also, Cantina Band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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