Michael Giacchino's Star Trek Beyond - NEW 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition

[Jim Ware 526]

2 hours ago, RPurton said:

Could 12 Angry Kirks be edited into another cue?

 

Possible.  I don't have a full cue list.  Based on available information:

 

1. Logo And Prosper (1:47)	1m0
2. Trick Or Treaty (:45)	1m1
3. We Come In Pieces (1:17)	1m2
4. Thank Your Lucky Star Date (2:14)	1m3
5. Night On The Yorktown (5:36)	1m4
6. To Thine Own Death Be True (3:32)	1m5-6
7. We Make A Good Team (:22)	1m7
8. The Dance Of The Nebula (2:22)	2m7
9. A Swarm Reception (2:30)	2m8a
10. Krall Hell Breaks Loose (3:04)	2m8b
11. The Evacuation Variations (2:47)	2m8c
12. Hitting The Saucer A Little Hard (6:10)	2m8d
13. Scotland’s Worst Cliffhanger (:23)	2m9
14. A Hive And Kicking (3:30)	3m10

 

6. MotorCycles Of Relief (3:18)	5m28
7. Mocking Jaylah (3:27)	5m29
8. Jaylah House Rock (3:18)	6m30
9. Bright Lights Big Velocity (Part 1) (:57)	6m31a
10. Bright Lights Big Velocity (Part 2) (2:59)	6m31b
11. Spock Speaks Hive (3:10)	6m32

 

19. Space, The Final Frontier / Main On Ends (2:42)

7m39/7m40a

[publicist 4,643]

Some of these cue titles are mortal pain.

[Jay 37,369]

4 hours ago, crocodile said:

So much music is missing from JA album?

 

15 minutes, like I said 2 posts before yours

[BloodBoal 7,538]

I guess maybe Krok meant "including unused music that didn't end up on the OST".

[Jay 37,369]

What?

[Jim Ware 526]

27 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

I guess maybe Krok meant "including unused music that didn't end up on the OST".

 

I don't think there is any.  The 2013 material was edited to fit film, the 2014 stuff was written and recorded to picture, the 2015 stuff filled in the gaps.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

What?

 

Music written specifically for scenes in the film, but that ultimately wasn't used and wasn't included on the OST either.

 

Is that clearer?

 

Just now, Jim Ware said:

I don't think there is any.

 

OK, so 15 unreleased minutes it is, then!

[Jay 37,369]

4 minutes ago, Jim Ware said:

 

I don't think there is any.  The 2013 material was edited into the film, the 2014 stuff was written and recorded to picture, the 2015 stuff filled in the gaps.

 

That is my understanding as well.

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

Music written specifically for scenes in the film, but that ultimately wasn't used and wasn't included on the OST either.

 

Is that clearer?

 

Oh, OK.  Well my 15 minute figure would include any material like that

 

 

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OK, so 15 unreleased minutes it is, then!

 

To the best of my knowledge, yes.

 

 

Which makes it frustrating they didn't simply include it on the OST, when they had 2 whole CDs to work with.  Now it seems so unlikely they'll ever do an expanded edition...

[Damien F 1,742]

I've seem the movie twice and listened to the score a lot but I still have no clue what  Jaylah's theme is. 

 

Yorktown Theme has the potential to be a fantastic track. Hopefully it is not just a repeat of Night on the Yorktown.

 

 

[Jay 37,369]

I was surprised to see the track called "Yorktown Theme" instead of "Five Year Mission Theme"

[justaguy 68]

58 minutes ago, dfenton85 said:

I've seem the movie twice and listened to the score a lot but I still have no clue what  Jaylah's theme is. 

I believe this is her "theme". It's more of a catchy motif than a serious theme, really:

 

[Jay 37,369]

Woah!  I just noticed now, but I actually received a shipping notice ~20 hours ago!  Tracking says its expected to be delivered to me on Thursday!  Awesome!

[Damien F 1,742]

42 minutes ago, zaddini said:

I believe this is her "theme". It's more of a catchy motif than a serious theme, really:

 

 

I'm curious to hear how he'll expand that to a 2:30 minute suite.

 

I like the score a lot but one of the issues I have with it is that he didn't write a more memorable theme for one of the movie's most popular characters.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Mine has shipped as well.

 

*Happily goes back to The Lost World.*

[OneBuckFilms 323]

And ... shipped today.

12 Angry Kirks sounds like an alternate title for MotorCycles Of Relief, given that Kirk was replicated multiple times by Jaylah's device in the film.

[Jay 37,369]

Ah, smart call.  In fact, if the middle of that cue was dialed out, an ASCAP title is typically created for the second chunk of it.  Of course, it could have been 2 cues all along, and the OST combined two of them together under one title.

[Lockdown 238]

Mine shipped around noon EST today, anyone else's ship yet?

[Jay 37,369]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

Woah!  I just noticed now, but I actually received a shipping notice ~20 hours ago!  Tracking says its expected to be delivered to me on Thursday!  Awesome!

 

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

I never picked up the original release and waited for this instead. Nice to see it's out so soon.

[OneBuckFilms 323]

Being at work, I am unable to listen to the samples.

 

Has anyone here heard them yet? Any surprises/insights?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

No samples last I checked.

[OneBuckFilms 323]

They're there. Actually, I snuck in a listen. There is some good material there. Jaylah's Theme has a real sadness to it.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I'm not crazy, right? There weren't any samples yesterday?

[Will 2,215]

5 hours ago, zaddini said:

I believe this is her "theme". It's more of a catchy motif than a serious theme, really:

 

 

Oh, that's a cool motif! I always thought it was just a general action theme. 

 

6 hours ago, Jay said:

I was surprised to see the track called "Yorktown Theme" instead of "Five Year Mission Theme"

 

Giacchino himself is confused about what his themes represent!

 

We would never have that from the Lord John Williams! 

[OneBuckFilms 323]

6 minutes ago, Will said:

Giacchino himself is confused about what his themes represent!

 

We would never have that from the Lord John Williams! 

 

Ben's Death / Tie Fighter Attack - Why Leia's Theme?

[Will 2,215]

Yorktown sample sounds great!

 

The sample (which is only like half the track, possibly the end) is mostly Night on the Yorktown a little slower, with slightly different orchestration. There are some cool short extensions though!

 

And, woah, Jaylah's theme is incredibly gorgeous!

 

I remember the theme from the film now, but I don't think it was ever heard in any similar fashion (although I could be wrong).

 

Wow!!!!!

 

 

 

[OneBuckFilms 323]

Surprised the drive plasma out of me, that's for sure. Really looking forward to it.

[Faleel 5,354]

I forgot how good that Yorktown theme was.

[OneBuckFilms 323]

1 minute ago, Fennel Ka said:

I forgot how good that Yorktown theme was.

 

I haven't. The OST serves me well.

[Will 2,215]

The other samples sound pretty great too!

 

Can't get over how good Jaylah's Theme is though! 

 

I'm pretty sure the actual theme is at 0:50 or so in the sample. 

 

Love the moment after the theme too, with those gorgeous chords!

 

I might even like it as much as the Yorktown theme. 

 

My excitement for Rogue One is rekindled!

 

Time for another listen!

 

Am I right that Giacchino suites are written before the score proper as previews for the director (as opposed to Williams' process, where he rights them just for fun, it seems). 

 

@Jay?

[Jay 37,369]

I will never understand why Giacchino writes and records these great  concert arrangements then doesn't put them on the OST! 

[Will 2,215]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

I will never understand why Giacchino writes and records these great  concert arrangements then doesn't put them on the OST! 

 

Indeed! I'm sure his scores would get much more praise too. Williams' suites always seem to be the most widely popular parts of his scores. 

 

I also don't understand why they aren't used in the end credits!

 

I asked earlier, are these concert arrangements written before the score proper as demos for the director? (as opposed to Williams, who presumably does them for fun?)

[justaguy 68]

46 minutes ago, Will said:

Oh, that's a cool motif! I always thought it was just a general action theme. 

I think it's her "fighting" motif. It appears just after she scares three alien thugs away from Scotty, fights Krall's right hand at the top of the building, leads Bones and Spock during the attack on the village, while Kirk distracts everybody riding his bike. And probably in some other places in the movie that I don't remember.

[Damien F 1,742]

16 minutes ago, Jay said:

I will never understand why Giacchino writes and records these great  concert arrangements then doesn't put them on the OST! 

 

I wonder does he have an understanding with Varese to save them for the Deluxe editions to increase their appeal.

[Trent B 337]

This cover is better than what's on the OST.

 

I ordered my copy through Movie Music but won't be able to pay for it for two weeks, which is okay with me.  I too didn't expect this so soon.  I wasn't expecting it until sometime next year. 

I never really got into the OST but I have a feeling the DE may get me into it.

[Jay 37,369]

16 hours ago, Will said:

Am I right that Giacchino suites are written before the score proper as previews for the director (as opposed to Williams' process, where he rights them just for fun, it seems). 

 

@Jay?

 

15 hours ago, Will said:

I asked earlier, are these concert arrangements written before the score proper as demos for the director? (as opposed to Williams, who presumably does them for fun?)

 

 

Through "John Carter", I believe the only time concert arrangements were recorded was when they were intended to be used in the end credits.  Afte John Carter he took a year sabbatical from feature film scoring to spend time with his family, and when he return, he seemed to have brought a new process with it: Writing suites first, then taking elements of those suites to be used as themes in the score.  Now, that might have actually been what happened for John Carter as well, and they thought recording those suites would be a good idea to form an end credits from, I don't know.  But before John Carter it didn't seem to really be done, and post-sabbatical he seems to do it for all his scores... well, for most of them anyway (with no recording sessions leak for a lot of his recent scores, we don't know all the details).

 

 

Star Trek Into Darkness - he definitely wrote "Ode To Harrison" and "Ode to Vengeance" first as suites, and used material in the first for Khan, and material in the second for Marcus in the film cues

 

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Not sure, but might have been back to his old style.  There's a 9 minute track called "Planet of the End Credits", but I have no idea if that was an early suite, or an arrangement by someone on his team of the themes he used in the score

 

Jupiter Ascending - An odd duck in not only his filmography but film scoring practices in general, as most of the score was written and recorded before filming began, and they later edited picture to it

 

Tomorrowland - No idea if he wrote suites for this or not.  I'd kill for a complete release or session leak, as its my favorite Giacchino score!

 

Jurassic World - It seems he wrote an 14 minute suite first, with all the new themes in it, and those were then used in the film cues

 

Inside Out - No idea without a session leak or complete release

 

Zootopia - No idea without a session leak or complete release

 

Star Trek Beyond - It seems clear now he wrote new theme suites for new themes, and then used those in the film cues

 

Doctor Strange - No idea without a session leak or complete release

 

Rogue One - Seems like he did theme suites first, but he could have done those after to beef up the OST, who knows

[Disco Stu 15,495]

49 minutes ago, Jay said:

Tomorrowland - No idea if he wrote suites for this or not.  I'd kill for a session leak, as its my favorite Giacchino score!

 

 

 

As we appear to be the two on the forum who love this score the most, we need to keep making a concerted effort to mention how great it is and how it's MG's best as often as is reasonable.  Our powers combined, we can turn conventional wisdom to our will!! 

 

49 minutes ago, Jay said:

Jurassic World - It seems he wrote an 14 minute suite first, with all the new themes in it, and those were then used in the film cues

 

What was interesting about that one is that it didn't include the "As the Jurassic World Turns" melody, which I would consider his big, new theme for the franchise.

[MedigoScan 324]

This was sudden

and a lot faster too

[Jay 37,369]

25 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

What was interesting about that one is that it didn't include the "As the Jurassic World Turns" melody, which I would consider his big, new theme for the franchise.

 

It is part of the suite, just snipped out for the OST version.

[Faleel 5,354]

Count me in as third Discu Stu.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

It is part of the suite, just snipped out for the OST version.

 

Oh weird. Is that because it's literally the same performance as the standalone track?

[Jay 37,369]

What?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

The only reason I could think of for cutting it out of the suite for the OST is if the performance on the standalone track "As the Jurassic World Turns" was just edited out of the suite itself.  Otherwise, I think it should've been left in.

 

Does that make sense?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Jay 37,369]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

The only reason I could think of for cutting it out of the suite for the OST is if the performance on the standalone track "As the Jurassic World Turns" was just edited out of the suite itself.  Otherwise, I think it should've been left in.

 

Does that make sense?

 

"As The Jurassic World Turns" is two film cues: "1m6-9 Does This Dino Make Jurassic Look Big" and "1m10 As the Jurassic World Turns".  Has nothing to do with the suite recording.  I have no clue why he trimmed the suite for the OST >shrug<

[MedigoScan 324]

anyway, I know what I am getting for christmas this year

 

go away sinterklaas, we dont celebrate you anymore in this house!

[Jay 37,369]

 

2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

I thought I remembered it was said somewhere Giacchino wrote several theme suites for JW, which were then combined into this 12 minutes track on the OST. Am I remembering wrong?

 

Well yes, I doubt the orchestra recorded the entire suite all in one take!  Surely its different recordings edited together.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Well yes, I doubt the orchestra recorded the entire suite all in one take!  Surely its different recordings edited together.

 

That's not what I meant.

 

What I meant is that various suites were written, and recorded separately, then combined for the OST in one big track.

[Jay 37,369]

I honestly don't know if he considers them separate compositions or one large composition.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

"As The Jurassic World Turns" is two film cues: "1m6-9 Does This Dino Make Jurassic Look Big" and "1m10 As the Jurassic World Turns".  Has nothing to do with the suite recording.  I have no clue why he trimmed the suite for the OST >shrug<

 

It may be frowned upon by some, but I love it when composers include suites (either end credits or these separate theme summaries) because I always listen to them first when I'm approaching an OST for the first time.  I find it's a good way to get acquainted with the composer's approach and they help guide me through the actual score cues.  So of course when I bought the Jurassic World soundtrack, I skipped straight to track 20 and I remember thinking, "If this is all he's brought to the table in terms of new melodies, I am very disappointed." I later warmed up to the suspense material he used to start the suite off, but it didn't make an impression on me at first.  ::shrug:: Just a dumb decision, IMO, to leave your big sweeping new theme off the track called "Jurassic World Suite."