Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I've always wondered how that happened. Did they have a mike too close to headphones that had the click track? I'm pretty sure I've heard it on a few other scores as well, though I can't recall which ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 Yea great question, who knows. It's not weird to me that something like that could happen and ruin a take, but it's weird to me that no one noticed and it's in all the master recordings. Or at least what we've heard on the two commercial albums and the leaks -- who knows if its on the 1st gen master or not. Now that I think about it, I wonder if its in the actual film or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: Now that I think about it, I wonder if its in the actual film or not.... We should go check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 What exactly is a click track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Brundlefly said: What exactly is a click track? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 Today is the last day you can order the physical CD edition http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12264/.f Still no word on when the digital download edition is dropping. It's not on qobuz yet https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/label/intrada-2/download-streaming-albums/143772 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 11:28 PM, Brundlefly said: The sound of the new set is considerably better on some tracks, to be precise some awful distortions and the dominant hiss could be removed. Besides the weird resonance of the much too small room, where the recording took place, was successfully diminished. It does sound like a professional studio recording now. Well, there's another decisive point to mar my first impression: The new release sounds pretty inconsistent at times. Sometimes it is the hall and other times it is the volume of the different tracks. That was not the case on the 2013 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I'll stick with my 1988 CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 On 12/16/2020 at 6:13 PM, Jay said: But curiously reverted one track that previously had music restored for the 1988 edition back to its OST edit that deleted that music 2006 7 The Tanks = OST 9 The Tanks = cue12 The Tanks [with 13 seconds removed] + cue7 The Tragedy The Tanks has the exact same lengh on the 2013 release and on the 2020 release. There is no missing music, just the crossfade might be different from the 1988 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 The OST track called "The Tanks" combined two cues together, and edited music out of the middle of the second cue in the track 0:00-1:01 = The Tragedy 1:01-end = The Tanks, with 13 seconds edited out out at 2:12 The 1988 Intrada CD combined the same two cues together, but restored the music previously edited out of The Tanks 0:00-1:01 = The Tragedy 1:01-end = The Tanks, no edits (IE, there's music from 2:12-2:25 here that wasn't on the OST) The 2006 / 2013 Intrada edition reverted to the OST edit 0:00-1:01 = The Tragedy 1:01-end = The Tanks, with 13 seconds edited out out at 2:12 The new 2020 program finally presents for the first time "The Tanks" and "The Tragedy" each in their own track. Disc 3 Track 7 = The Tragedy (1:11) Disc 3 Track 12 = The Tanks (2:42) The google doc shows this too On 12/16/2020 at 9:46 AM, Jay said: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ve3EkHFeDZwy2rkoBBMxH_Kbrcx-CgZNKhnDh_RTzCQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: That's incorrect. The OST track called "The Tanks" combined two cues together, and edited music out of the middle of the first cue in the track 0:00-2:32 = The Tanks, with 13 seconds edited out out at 2:12 2:23-end = The Tragedy The 1988 Intrada CD combined the same two cues together, but restored the music previously edited out of The Tanks 0:00-2:45 = The Tanks, no edits 2:45-end = The Tragedy The 2006 / 2013 Intrada edition reverted to the OST edit 0:00-2:32 = The Tanks, with 13 seconds edited out out at 2:12 2:23-end = The Tragedy The new 2020 program finally presents for the first time "The Tanks" and "The Tragedy" each in their own track. Disc 3 Track 7 = The Tragedy (1:11) Disc 3 Track 12 = The Tanks (2:42) Nope, you're incorrect. All I can safely claim is that there is no difference between the OST, the 2006/2013 and the 2020 version. The spot you're talking about is exactly the same on each release. Are you sure there was ever anything missing? Show me the 1988 version if you can. Oh, by the way, I never noticed the one very big flaw which is that The Tragedy is playing first and segues into The Tanks and not the other way round. I don't know, where you got that information from, but it's simply not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Oh a fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 The Tanks on disc 3 is a full minute shorter than the OST/2006 edition. 2:42 instead of 3:41. Just look at Intrada's site to confirm http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12264/.f Maybe you have a bad rip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I think you're referring to this: "By returning to the sessions, Intrada was also for the first time able to present the entire score in chronological sequence with every cue playing complete without the creative assemblies as a 3rd CD for listeners desiring the opportunity to hear the beginnings and endings of cues that previously were edited to allow for creative assemblies which often were not in actual chronological sequence. While the same music, this version is quite a different experience which not only remains faithful to Goldsmith’s actual picture sequence but does offer some precious few bars previously edited or crossfaded into otherwise unrelated cues." No confirmation that The Tanks had unreleased material. 26 minutes ago, Jay said: The Tanks on disc 3 is a full minute shorter than the OST/2006 edition. 2:42 instead of 3:41. Yes, that's correct: The Tragedy is 1:13 long The Tanks is 2:43 long The implication is that those two cues combined would have to have a running time of approximately 4 minutes. However: On the combined track called The Tanks the cue called The Tanks starts at 1:01, which means there is a huge overlap between the two cues. (1:01 + 2:43 = approx. 3:41) There is no material missing on the 2006/2013 version. Which means, if it actually turns out that there is material missing, then it's missing on the 2020 version too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 This is what I'm talking about: Here's a bit of The Tanks from the OST / 2006 CD / 2013 CD / Disc 2 Here's a bit of The Tanks from the 1988 CD The bit from 0:13-0:25 in the 1988 CD version isn't in the OST / 2006 / 2013 / Disc 2 version. I guess it's possible it's an insert, and not a bit edited out of the cue for the OST. I have no idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Okay, that's weird, because Intrada failed to include that bit on the 2020 as well. Which means that the 3CD set is still not complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Gotta leave room for another expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 hours ago, Jay said: I guess it's possible that's an insert, and not a bit edited out of the cue for the OST. I have no idea! That might be it. You can hear the strings getting slightly hissier, when the 13 seconds start. I mean, they'd never purposefully cut out a section from their complete score program, would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I'm in complete disbelief that people get hung up on such irrelevancies for a score that isn't even Top 50 JG. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Hey, for once I had a piece of information that Jay couldn't provide, so that had to be proclaimed in big fashion. Musically, the insert itself is as substantial as the rest of the previously unreleased music from this set. Which means, not at all. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 8:38 PM, Marian Schedenig said: I've always wondered how that happened. Did they have a mike too close to headphones that had the click track? I'm pretty sure I've heard it on a few other scores as well, though I can't recall which ones. Click bleed is quite common. It's a delicate balance - the clicks need to be loud enough for the orchestra to hear and follow, but not too loud that they can be heard in the room (and subsequently be picked up by the microphones). Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Okay, that's weird, because Intrada failed to include that bit on the 2020 as well. Which means that the 3CD set is still not complete. Maybe that bit is something Jerry put in there that's actually tracked in from some other cue? It doesn't seem likely that Intrada would have accidentally grabbed an edited track for disc 3 when everything else seems to be straight from the new source with no edits. Maybe it's a later insert and they just chose not to include it, forgetting it was already released in 1988? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 The high res digital edition still hasn't been made available. Maybe it was cancelled? https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/label/intrada-2/download-streaming-albums/143772 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 @Jay nope! You must have missed the latest from Roger in the FSM Inchon thread, less than a month ago... Quote I really was exited for this, but the virtual release of Inchon still hasn't shown. What's up? The distributor is confused about three programs that contain the same cues. They come from a world that thinks in terms of individual tracks, not entire programs as a listening experience. So going through hoops to explain that yes, the Main Title on disc 1 and disc 3 are the same track and it needs to be loaded twice... https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=3&threadID=142438&archive=0 Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Ah neat, I did indeed miss that post. Thanks! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Due to each Intrada release having their individual sonic merits, I ended up using a combination of the 2006 and the 2020 master. That slight improvement of some tracks was certainly not worth the price, but after all I have bought the new edition, so why refuse to use it... On 2/13/2021 at 10:57 AM, publicist said: I'm in complete disbelief that people get hung up on such irrelevancies for a score that isn't even Top 50 JG. Does it really not stand a chance, though? Just having this one awful recording, it certainly doesn't come close to a Top 50 ranking regarding listening pleasure, however, I think opinions could radically change, if it got a desperately needed re-recording. (Just do it Tadlow, along with Lionheart!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Nothing wrong with Lionheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Due to each Intrada release having their individual sonic merits, I ended up using a combination of the 2006 and the 2020 master. That slight improvement of some tracks was certainly not worth the price, but after all I have bought the new edition, so why refuse to use it... Does it really not stand a chance, though? Just having this one awful recording, it certainly doesn't come close to a Top 50 ranking regarding listening pleasure, however, I think opinions could radically change, if it got a desperately needed re-recording. (Just do it Tadlow, along with Lionheart!) Really, this score needs a Tadlow love. But hey, at least we have a small selection of cues on their The Blue Max album. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just discover on spotify the digital 3CD set of Inchon 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Only $12.99 for high res at Qobuz! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yup! Qobuz($13 for 24/96 or $9 for 16/44.1): https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/inchon-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-jerry-goldsmith/znmrnxkfsnoka HDTracks ($21 for 24/96): https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/60805d317894fb11c5001223 Amazon ($28.47 for 320kbps mp3): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B092WS22TW/ iTunes: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/inchon-original-1982-film-score-2006-complete-restoration/1563803312 Tidal: https://tidal.com/browse/album/181145828 Deezer: https://www.deezer.com/us/album/224017692 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/1AKw0I2GDdxwqUWQao4BGo?si=uwtuZBJBSWuNXpllhYhonA Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFknY9jj4BU&list=OLAK5uy_kVYwcLeDISb2LDKeLaNNi8T6as9QxVWCQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Anyone else thinks that this is Goldsmiths most Morricone-ish soundtrack, especially the Love Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Anyone else thinks that this is Goldsmiths most Morricone-ish soundtrack, especially the Love Theme? As a matter of fact, yes, I've been thinking that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2022 I can only repeat myself: A re-recording is what this magnificent score deserves and it would make it so much more enjoyable! blondheim, Yavar Moradi and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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