Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Sold out. https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/jerry-goldsmith-lionheart-the-deluxe-edition-2-cd Is that a joke? How could it is already being sold out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 LOL, that would be funny if it sold out before it even started shipping in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: How could it is already being sold out? 2,000 fans wanted to own it? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 It's not OOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Their international site doesn't say "Sold Out" like the US store does https://intl.varesesarabande.com/products/jerry-goldsmith-lionheart-the-deluxe-edition-2-cd vs https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/jerry-goldsmith-lionheart-the-deluxe-edition-2-cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's not OOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 My copy just shipped. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Sadly, I have to wait on SAE to get it before they can ship it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 21 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: My copy just shipped. Ditto! I ordered from the Varese international store. And now I await with great anticipation how many weeks it will take for this package to arrive to Finland from Britain. The last one with Knowing took "only" 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Incanus said: And now I await with great anticipation how many weeks it will take for this package to arrive to Finland from Britain. The last one with Knowing took "only" 3 weeks. And whether it's correctly declared as a gift, because the original order already listed the full shipping costs and the full amount I paid for all CDs, including this one - and therefore I've already had to pay taxes for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: And whether it's correctly declared as a gift, because the original order already listed the full shipping costs and the full amount I paid for all CDs, including this one - and therefore I've already had to pay taxes for it. Since I have no way to know what price they mark on the package VS what my bill reads, I paid VAT for the first CD set (Knowing which I ordered with Lionheart) separately and am sure I have to pay the second VAT for this second package. That is all fair and square but now I have to pay separate 2,99 € for each declared package so that Finnish postal service deigns to deliver it to me. Wonderful new regulations. But as someone else here said, this is an expensive hobby. But I am really excited to get this score finally on CD! Absolutely classic Jerry! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, Incanus said: Since I have no way to know what price they mark on the package VS what my bill reads, I paid VAT for the first CD set (Knowing which I ordered with Lionheart) separately and am sure I have to pay the second VAT for this second package. That is all fair and square but now I have to pay separate 2,99 € for each declared package so that Finnish postal service deigns to deliver it to me. Wonderful new regulations. But as someone else here said, this is an expensive hobby. But I am really excited to get this score finally on CD! Absolutely classic Jerry! I checked (and kept) the invoice on my first package to make sure that it includes Lionheart and the full shipping costs on the bill, so clearly the outstanding shipment should be a gift (which I don't have to pay for). Otherwise they would have to mark the first package correctly - AND ask me whether to split the order or hold back the other discs until everything is in stock, because I certainly would have chosen to get only one package and not pay handling fees twice just because they messed up the cover text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Otherwise they would have to mark the first package correctly - AND ask me whether to split the order or hold back the other discs until everything is in stock, because I certainly would have chosen to get only one package and not pay handling fees twice just because they messed up the cover text. Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: And whether it's correctly declared as a gift, because the original order already listed the full shipping costs and the full amount I paid for all CDs, including this one - and therefore I've already had to pay taxes for it. Have you ever gotten the international store (or the US store for that matter) to declare shipments as gifts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Have you ever gotten the international store (or the US store for that matter) to declare shipments as gifts? No, and I never inquired. My point is that they listed the price for the disc and for its postage on the original package, which did not contain it, so according to both my bank statement and all the paperwork submitted to the tax office, and the money I actually spent, I've already paid for the album when they charged my Visa card, and I've paid the taxes for it when I paid the taxes for the package I received, which listed the CD but did not contain it. If they should now list it *again* on the new package, they would suggest that I bought it a *second* time, and I'd have to pay taxes for it a *second* time, which would obviously be wrong. The only correct way is to label the new package as a gift, so I hope they've done that - because if they haven't, I suppose my only option would be to refuse to accept the package and then ask them to send it again without charge, which sounds complicated (and would be more expensive for them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Looks like US orders are shipping. Got a shipping notice from Varese today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Got a shipping notice as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,013 Posted July 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2021 And, inexplicably, I received a second copy. I thought this was supposed to be inlay only? Anything wrong with the discs? Anyone wants to buy a rare OOP copy of the rejected score by Jerry Lionheart for $1000? Karol Ollie, Yavar Moradi and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Rejected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Yeah, which is surprising because Goldsmith clearly ripped it off for his replacement. I swear they are nearly interchangeable. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 You prankster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 9 hours ago, crocodile said: And, inexplicably, I received a second copy. I thought this was supposed to be inlay only? Anything wrong with the discs? No change to the discs as far as I know, but Varese from the beginning said they were going to send replacement copies to people who had already received one. They never said inlay only. Yavar Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Let's send them all to Jay. He hasn't gotten any Fiddler lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 My copy arrived today, at least in theory. As I've explained above, I was already taxed for it when the rest of my order arrived a couple of weeks ago, but as I feared, "Lionheart" was declared again on its own package (i.e. declared twice, and thus taxed twice) - so I haven't accepted the package. I've emailed Awesome Distro, Varese's "international" (i.e. British) fulfilment company. I hope they can sort this out (especially with shipping apparently not being handled by Varese themselves). It's "only" €5.23, but I don't see why I should have to pay that when I've already paid my full fees and the packages were not declared correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/1/2021 at 6:15 PM, Yavar Moradi said: No change to the discs as far as I know, but Varese from the beginning said they were going to send replacement copies to people who had already received one. They never said inlay only. Yavar So a limited pressing of 1500 units has now become ???? units because of a mistake on the paper inserts? How did they sneak that past the rights holders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: So a limited pressing of 1500 units has now become ???? units because of a mistake on the paper inserts? How did they sneak that past the rights holders? I’m pretty tired of explaining this, but here goes again... it was 2000 units like the packaging states. 1500 allocated just for the U.S. store, the other 500 for the international store (which still haven’t sold out yet apparently). The very fast international store apparently sent out a couple hundred before they were told to stop so that the back inlay could be fixed, reprinted, and replaced. So yeah I guess there are probably ~2200 copies out there, because the initial bunch that were mailed out are considered “defective” (even though to my knowledge there’s no problem with the discs themselves). The people sent that initial bunch was all sent fixed copies free of charge, so Varese is still *only selling 2000 units* — why would the rights holder have any problem with that? Why should the defective copies (which stay with the same people getting fixed copies) negatively impact the total available copies? That makes no logical sense. There was no sneaking. Varese could have communicated a bit better along the way, that’s all. But I assume this whole thing was a big pain in the ass for them (printing and replacing ~200 extra copies didn’t get them any more money, it obviously cost them money!) Yavar 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: which stay with the same people getting fixed copies But many of these people will sell the "defective" copies when the release is OOP. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: But many of these people will sell the "defective" copies when the release is OOP. Sure, but so what? That's nothing Varese has anything to do with, and doesn't impact the rights holders either. Varese only sells 2000 copies, which is the number they licensed. When they're already losing money replacing a tenth of those copies, you need them to ALSO reduce the number of copies they can sell to ~1800, creating an even greater loss for them (and making it so that 200 fewer people can purchase a copy from them who want one)? WHY? Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/1/2021 at 6:15 PM, Yavar Moradi said: Varese from the beginning said they were going to send replacement copies Ok. Just wondered why they bothered to press more discs when they could have just printed a few extra inserts and shipped them off at a much lower production cost and with less of a postage expense. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 ...Yeah? I agree it would have made more sense (and cost less) to send replacement inlay cards, but I'm sure Varese knew that too, and there was some reason they had to do it this way. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 45 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: and doesn't impact the rights holders either It does, because it affects the demand of future releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It does, because it affects the demand of future releases. Dude, this score's most likely never going to be released again on CD. It's been almost three decades since the last CD edition of this score came out. I'll bet you that the only future release this gets is digital only, no doubt through Varese again. Varese holds perpetuity rights on this I'm pretty sure, and I'm sure they'll be more hurt by any reduction in sales of said future hypothetical digital edition than Taliafilm or whoever will be. Again, I don't understand what you think would make more sense here -- you think that Varese should reduce the number of available sale copies to ~1800, because ~200 defective copies were sent out? You think that 200 fewer people should be able to purchase this from Varese because of the duplicate/replacement copies they are sending out to people who already ordered? You think that's the fair and reasonable approach? (It's not like all 200 of those people are going to resell their original copies either; lots of people don't do that!) I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but I honestly don't know why you're so invested in it, when it's not your finances involved. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Dude, this score's most likely never going to be released again on CD. I wasn't necessary talking about a CD release. More likely an LP, MC, or digital release. 13 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Varese holds perpetuity rights on this I'm pretty sure, and I'm sure they'll be more hurt by any reduction in sales of said future hypothetical digital edition than Taliafilm or whoever will be. I doubt Varese is the only one that earns money for each sold copy. 13 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Again, I don't understand what you think would make more sense here -- you think that Varese should reduce the number of available sale copies to ~1800, because ~200 defective copies were sent out? I'd send out new paperwork in a jewel case without CDs. 13 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but I honestly don't know why you're so invested in it You're the one writing the elaborate replies. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 59 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: Ok. Just wondered why they bothered to press more discs when they could have just printed a few extra inserts and shipped them off at a much lower production cost and with less of a postage expense. A very very excellent question. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I doubt Varese is the only one that earns money for each sold copy. I think they probably pay to license and sell a certain number of copies, but I don't know the details of their licensing agreement with Taliafilm. I'd be surprised if Taliafilm also got a cut of the sales on each individual unit, personally. 49 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'd send out new paperwork in a jewel case without CDs. And so would I. Do you think that idea didn't occur to Varese? When there was an error in the tracklisting of The Haunting: The Deluxe Edition a few years ago, they didn't even do that -- they made a printable digital version of the corrected rear inlay available online. Obviously Varese knows they would have saved money simply sending out replacement rear inlays. Therefore they must have been required (for whatever reason) to do what they did! So again: assuming that they were required to send out full corrected copies and not just inlays, what would you think is more reasonable for Varese to do -- what they ended up doing, or making ~200 fewer copies available at all, because they counted the flawed copies as part of the 2000 limit? Can you IMAGINE the backlash from fans who missed out on a copy, if this little packaging mistake is the reason 200 of them weren't able to order a copy from Varese? This way, 200 more copies are out there in the world, some of which may trickle to people who missed out on ordering from Varese (who should have made more copies in the first place, in my opinion, but that's neither here nor there). Why should that bother you, exactly? Varese lost some money replacing them but they *only sold 2000 copies* which is what they licensed from Taliafilm. They are not making any additional profit on those 200 extra copies -- in fact they obviously lost money on them. You need 200 more fans to miss out on being able to order the Deluxe Edition, and you need Varese to lose even more money by not selling 200 copies? (That's $5,000 by the way.) That makes no sense. 49 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: You're the one writing the elaborate replies. Because sometimes correcting a (frankly uninformed and irresponsible) comment like "How did they sneak that past the rights holders?" requires more words than the initial offhand comment did. You insinuated that Varese did something sneaky or unfair towards the rights holders when you don't know anything about it. You don't know whether they discussed the situation with Taliafilm, or whether they would even need to, since -- as I pointed out -- they aren't selling any extra copies. They are replacing defective ones.) That's not fair or reasonable, hence my elaborate reply, with thorough explanation apparently required to make things clear. 27 minutes ago, Jay said: A very very excellent question. Sure it's a question I'm curious about too... but why exactly is it any of our business? Are fans entitled to know the internal workings and drama of every film music label? If you were running Varese, would you think film music fans the world over had a right to interrogate you about this matter? Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 *takes another bite of popcorn* Yavar Moradi and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Its just a film score folks, that all. Which by the way, finally arrived last Thursday. It does sound better than the previous releases. Better flow as well. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: How did they sneak that past the rights holders? You must have me confused with someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: You must have me confused with someone else. That's exactly what happened, sorry -- I mixed you up with JTWfan77. My apologies! Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 We do look alike. Yavar Moradi and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: We do look alike. And your names start with "J" -- mea culpa, attributing something to you which you did not say. Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: And your names start with "J" I never noticed. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Ok. Just wondered why they bothered to press more discs when they could have just printed a few extra inserts and shipped them off at a much lower production cost and with less of a postage expense. Does this affect the US store as well (which as far as I can tell might not even have sent out any copies until the error was discovered), or only the "international" one? Perhaps the international store, or at least its fulfilment company (which is apparently external), is a logistically quite complex affair for Varese - with little control over shipping (hence my double tax problem), and perhaps with no mechanism in place to easily send out replacements of *parts* of already shipped orders without lots of extra overhead and paperwork. Maybe it's easier to just send out a replacement for the full thing than to provide a contingent of replacement parts for specific customers. Pure conjecture on my part of course, but altogether I get the impression that "international" store isn't really a big help or success for them. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 It's possible; apart from the very end that's some decent speculation. I've actually heard a ton of praise for the international store, in terms of their professionalism and prompt shipping...which in this case is why they managed to send out ~200 copies so quickly before the shipments were stopped. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 If everything works well, they've probably been useful, but post-Brexit, they're really not very "international" anymore. I'm sure they're a huge advantage for UK customers (which probably are a significant share of their customers). But yes, it's obviously all just speculation on my part. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I hope we get a new digital release shortly. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 My copy arrived in the mail yesterday! Strangely, it was in its own tiny envelope in my mailbox, not packaged in the same package as Paycheck and The Matrix which arrived at the same time. Varese wasted their own money by not combining! Oh well, being in the mailbox saved it from getting drenched in rain at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 In the words of Quartermaine... "I'VE GOT IT!" *EXPLOSION* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Finally got mine in the mail today! What a nice surprise! Now I can check this score out. Haven't heard more than a couple seconds of it yet. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 DId anyone order via Intrada? Still waiting for my copy to ship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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