Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 12:51 PM, Knight of Ren said: BTW, if you do those suites please share them here, as I usually love listening to those kind of fan-made compilations! I shall! Almost done organizing the themes. Just gotta download the audios and edit them together. Also may update them when Vol 2 comes out. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Is there a possibility of someone doing a theme breakdown of every track? MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 12:51 PM, Knight of Ren said: BTW, if you do those suites please share them here, as I usually love listening to those kind of fan-made compilations! I'm gonna have to make second videos when Vol 2 comes out, but these were so much fun to make! Still gotta keep an ear open for other themes. Knight of Ren and MaxMovieMan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Shore 83 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 On 02/09/2023 at 10:23 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: Yeah, I saw a bunch of people crediting Kiner for that music the this past week. But the second I heard those cues in the episode I was like "I'm willing to bet this was DGR..." "The Whale Pod" track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Alex Shore said: "The Whale Pod" track? Yeah that should be the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Not a fan of these new stormtrooper designs and the CGI they used for them. Looks like an edge lord made them or something. I’m also not a fan of the music introducing Thrawn, I feel like tracking old music (or just re-recording it) would’ve worked better than the BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. Okay negativity done, Ezra stuff was cool 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Anybody else think the cue with Spoiler Sabine and the Shell creature sounded kinda like parts of this cue? Specially 1:13-2:06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 It baffled me what they chose to do for Thrawn's introduction... Only using his theme once? Though those synths represent the Empire in Bad Batch, I think at least the organ could have accompanied it, having Thrawn revealed being scored by "synth boings" was really weird. Ezra's theme in a full orchestra was awesome to hear, and everything else was great, the voices for the witches, the warm in Sabine's journey and that one use of Thrawn's theme, all great. LB Makes Stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 The organ was used in Thrawn's introduction. It also was in one of two other places Gabriel Bezerra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I swear I just heard it when his theme is used. But I wasn't even understanding what the troopers were saying, so I really must have missed it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 The troopers were chanting his name. The organ is best heard when you have the shot from op top of him walking through the troops Courtney Sees Ghosts and Gabriel Bezerra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2023 I just noticted that this moment almost sounds like part of a slow version of The Imperial March. The first few notes of the theme could be played there. Screen_Recording_20230924_181704_Samsung Music.mp4 Tiburon, MaxMovieMan, Gabriel Bezerra and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Another John Williams quote in episode 7!! And it's a beauty! I also really loved the action cues this episode. This really is the best music Kiner & Co. have written in a very long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, JNHFan2000 said: Another John Williams quote in episode 7!! And it's a beauty! I also really loved the action cues this episode. This really is the best music Kiner & Co. have written in a very long time I liked the music for Spoiler Shin and Baylan, then the Raiders showing up, felt somewhat LOTRish JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Presto said: I liked the music for Hide contents Shin and Baylan, then the Raiders showing up, felt somewhat LOTRish The whole episode felt like it was LotR influenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 8 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: Another John Williams quote in episode 7!! And it's a beauty! I also really loved the action cues this episode. This really is the best music Kiner & Co. have written in a very long time What are the chances this cue makes it to the album? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 53 minutes ago, LB Makes Stuff said: What are the chances this cue makes it to the album? 😂 Big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 I hope so. I recall a few of JW’s themes made it into the Ludwig / Shirley albums with no credit. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted October 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2023 Really dope interview with the Kiners. Apparently Shin has a theme. Really fun insights here. https://screenrant.com/ahsoka-show-kevin-sean-deana-kiner-composer-interview/ enderdrag64, Knight of Ren and Tiburon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Very much looming forward to the finale, especially what because of the music. It's really been stellar this series! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80sFan 108 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Ahsoka's Composers on Evolving Her Musical Journey https://gizmodo.com/ahsoka-interview-kevin-deana-sean-kiner-star-wars-1850896936 Courtney Sees Ghosts and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 To me the best music in the finale were the following sequences: - The chase to the fortress (great martial undertones) - The trooper fight (loved the choral bits and the violin blasts when they ressurected) - The Morgan vs. Ahsoka battle (lot's of great drums and eastern flavors) - The Force statement was fantastic! - The final few minutes of the episode were beautifully scored. I loved the piano and the sweeping strings and brass were gorgeous. - The new first part of the end credits was really well done. It changed now that Ahsoka has changed. She has found peace in a way and I thought the new arrangement of her theme reflected that. Courtney Sees Ghosts and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted October 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2023 5 hours ago, 80sFan said: Ahsoka's Composers on Evolving Her Musical Journey https://gizmodo.com/ahsoka-interview-kevin-deana-sean-kiner-star-wars-1850896936 It bugs me that David G. Russell is seemingly always forgotten. Faleel, Gabriel Bezerra, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Nice use of this cue for the final segment, there were some great statements of Sabine and Ezra's themes too, not sure if I heard Kanan's was he was name dropped. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Soundtrack credits confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Ludwig Goransson? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,371 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Those are the same credits that were posted 3 weeks ago here: On 14/09/2023 at 5:19 PM, CGCJ said: Here's my spreadsheet enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Tydirium said: It bugs me that David G. Russell is seemingly always forgotten. tell me about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 He's the only one reminding that he exists. But even then... the comments. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 It does look like the 3 of them are working together this time, instead of delegating cues... Poor David just works alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The last episode had some nice music, and it's been really great to hear all the themes from Rebels get the love they deserve, as well as Ahsoka's themes. They even used a couple of times one of her secondary ideas during this episode: And the new themes are also quite great, even if perhaps not as instantly memorable as some other ideas. Baylan's theme, as played above, works really great in his scenes, and I like the use of the piano. And I also realized that Shin has a theme that has been appearing in some of her scenes at least in the last couple of episodes. I noticed because during the final montage, when we see the whereabouts of each character, we get each theme for each of the characters, and we hear her theme in full Shin on piano I think. Cannot wait to listen to the second volume of the soundtrack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGCJ 394 Posted October 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2023 Some cue information courtesy of GEMA: Spoiler Master and Apprentice Strange Ship Signals - Kevin Kiner They Are Not Jedi - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Master and Apprentice - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Aura Finds the Combination - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Finding the Orb Inside - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner New Republic Fleet Who Are They - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Sabine is Not There - David Glen Russell Where is Sabine - David Glen Russell Sparrow's Motorcycle Ride (Igyah Kha) - Kevin Kiner/Ludwig Göransson/Deana Kiner/Noah Gorelick Witch Kingdom is Destroyed - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Might Not Be Only You - David Glen Russell Sparrow Rides Again - David Glen Russell Sparrow Studies the Orb - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Sparrow Figures Out the Orb - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Sparrow Fights the Apprentice Part 1 - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Sparrow Fights the Apprentice Part 2 - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner End Credits Toil and Trouble Blackbird Opens Map - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Hacking the Droid Head - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Mallard Opens the Map - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Auru Arrives to Meet the Regional Supervisor - Kevin Kiner Ambush on the Bridge - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Heron Pursues Transport - David Glen Russell Eye - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Time to Fly Time to Fly - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Whale Field - David Glen Russell Fallen Jedi Located the Jedi Starship - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Ring Jumps Pt 1 - Kevin Kiner Ring Jumps Pt 2 - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Got a Bad Feeling - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Shadow Warrior General Looks For Auru - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Here to Finish Your Training - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner This is the Clone Wars - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Teaching You How to Lead - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Ahsoka Floats - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner They Find Auru - Kevin Kiner Return with Ahsoka - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Ahsoka Listens to the Whales - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Auru Outside with the Penguins - David Glen Russell There is no mission - David Glen Russell Penguins Hyper Jump - David Glen Russell Far, Far Away Far Far Away - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Signal from the Surface - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Shuttle to the Surface - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Red Warblers - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Baylan Has His Own Plans - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Thrawn Arrives - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Evil Rides Out - David Glen Russell Sparrow Finds Eagle Part 1 Sparrow Finds Eagle Part 2 Dreams and Madness Hera is in Trouble - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner How Real is the Threat - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Shut Down and Hiding - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Brace for Attack - Kevin Kiner The Jedi, the Witch, and the Warlord Gift of Shadows - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Ground Assault - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Zombie Spell - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Ahsoka and Morgan Fight - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Sabine and Ezra Battle - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Ahsoka on the Backfoot - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner You Will Die Here - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Morgan is Dead - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Thrawn Fires on the Planet - David Glen Russell Epilogue Pt 1 - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Epilogue Pt 2 - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner Epilogue Pt 3 - Kevin Kiner / Sean Kiner / Deana Kiner I've updated my spreadsheet to include these. They contain codenames for some of the characters, so here's my guess at who they are: Auru = Ahsoka Sparrow = Sabine Blackbird = Baylan Mallard = Morgan Heron = Hera General = Hera Penguins = Purrgil Eagle = Ezra enderdrag64, Gabriel Bezerra, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just asking out of curiosity, album releases next Friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, LB Makes Stuff said: Just asking out of curiosity, album releases next Friday? I hope it releases soon! And while they are at it we never got a Rebels season 3 or 4! What's up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Indianagirl said: we never got a Rebels season 3 or 4! What's up with that? Here's the Kiners' latest statement: Sean later clarified that nothing was truly lost. Indianagirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted October 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2023 COMING TOMORROW!!! 2 HOURS AND 45 MINUTES! Samples below https://www.qobuz.com/nz-en/album/ahsoka-vol-2-episodes-5-8-kevin-kiner/pg65ef2bb4yjb Extended version of "Loyalists" is on there! CGCJ, DemonStar, filip and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 But what's not on there is 3-CPO's entrance. The Senate hearing cue is on there. But I have not found the Williams quote. It's odd, because the other Williams quotes are all on there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: But what's not on there is 3-CPO's entrance. The Senate hearing cue is on there. But I have not found the Williams quote. It's odd, because the other Williams quotes are all on there? I really hope there's not actually any cues missing, with the missing cue from Volume 1 being included surely everything from eps 5-8 should also be there! (Especially with how comprehensive the release clearly is and as there isn't going to be another volume where any potentially missing cues could be included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Am I right in thinking that "Thrawn's Arrival" is an alternate for the end credits of Ep. 6 but wasn't used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGCJ 394 Posted October 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just finished going through the volume 2 soundtrack! Here's my spreadsheet. Interstingly Thrawn's Arrival is seemingly an alternate for his arrival in episode 6! (It matches the scenes very well) Explains it being at the end of the tracks for that episode. (00:00-03:40 of Grand Admiral Thrawn is the used cue) As JNHFan2000 pointed out it is missing 1 cue from episode 7: 03:56-06:08 C-3PO senate scene (02:12). I'm gald that David Glen Russell's missing cue from episode 2 was included but with another cue being missing, this time without another soundtrack release for it to be included, is disppointing... We can only hope the composer releases it themselves otherwise this will just remain incomplete. enderdrag64, JNHFan2000, Manakin Skywalker and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Listened to basically the whole album, it’s a really solid effort by everyone involved. Sucks the 3PO cue didn’t make it, but I’m happy we at least got both Force variations included. And I never went through the finale’s credits, so it surprised me when Epilogue Part 2 kept going the way it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, CGCJ said: Just finished going through the volume 2 soundtrack! Here's my spreadsheet. Interstingly Thrawn's Arrival is seemingly an alternate for his arrival in episode 6! (It matches the scenes very well) Explains it being at the end of the tracks for that episode. (00:00-03:40 of Grand Admiral Thrawn is the used cue) As JNHFan2000 pointed out it is missing 1 cue from episode 7: 03:56-06:08 C-3PO senate scene (02:12). I'm gald that David Glen Russell's missing cue from episode 2 was included but with another cue being missing, this time without another soundtrack release for it to be included, is disppointing... We can only hope the composer releases it themselves otherwise this will just remain incomplete. So there's literally only one cue in the entire season that's missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Wouldn’t be a real Star Wars score without a missing cue… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 hours ago, CGCJ said: Interestingly Thrawn's Arrival is seemingly an alternate for his arrival in episode 6! (It matches the scenes very well) Tiburon and rpvee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 So much better than the show version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 They both sound too much like generic trailer music imo, minus the pipe organ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: So there's literally only one cue in the entire season that's missing? Strange parallels with the Bazaars of Jedha being the only cue missing from the EE of Rogue One... Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trope 527 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I have a few thoughts I would like to share: I have enormous respect for Kiner's compositions. They are often highly detailed, complex pieces of music, and you can tell that he puts a lot of thought and effort into his writing, especially his application of themes. BUT his music is consistently rendered poorly. Firstly, I don't understand why he and his team continue to use god-awful, outdated samples to mock-up their music at a time in history when there are so many great/better sounding sample packs available. If it was an issue that only affected smaller projects, I would have no problem, but they've been scoring immensely popular Star Wars shows for a while now, and the orchestral samples they use in their final versions of cues sound several steps below what I would consider an acceptable industry standard. I understand that for Ahsoka they were afforded the opportunity to record a live studio orchestra, but other popular shows like Bad Batch and Clone Wars S7 often relied on samples for the most part except for their finales, and they simply don't sound good at all. Yes, orchestral music is never going to sound as good in mock-up form compared to simpler, electronic music, and the time pressure for writing TV scores is well beyond that of writing for films; plus, they might not have as big a team as top tier film composers do to tidy up all the automation and other stuff in their project files. But even composer demos from the 2010s (see Powell's How to Train Your Dragon demos, Mancina's Moana demos, etc.) and even Zimmer's early samples from the 90s sound better to me than Kiner's final versions of cues which actually get used in the show. Full credit, I believe they have begun to use slightly better-sounding samples in some more recent projects, but there are still holdovers (especially the percussion) which continue to distract. Additionally (and perhaps even more frustrating to me personally), his final mixes are absolutely atrocious, with overbearing compression and limiting which kills the listening experience and puts me off wanting to listen to the music at all, which is the biggest shame, as it is usually really good (as mentioned above). I can forgive the less-than-stellar mixes from the early Clone Wars and Rebels days, as perhaps they didn't even have access to a professional/A-level mixing engineer at the time, but the fact that overall their mixes continue to be so badly done, even with solid orchestral performances like at the end of Bad Batch S2 and Tales of the Jedi, irritates and confuses me to no end. I will say that Kiner and team have improved a little when you compare the mixes of Clone War S7 to Ahsoka, but there is still lots more to fix. Surely Disney can afford to hire a proper audio engineer at this point to make sure these guys' music is recorded and mixed to the highest standards. Maybe then they would even be in the running for higher profile films and TV productions! They certainly have the ability to write effectively for larger projects, but I feel like their mixes may hold them back. For example: Even thought there's nothing egregious in the clip @CGCJ posted with the alternate version of Thrawn's Arrival, the light percussion has a bizarre reverb tail on it and the bigger drums feel cheap, hollow and un-impactful. Even the strings and brass, which I assume are live recordings, are made to feel synthetic as they have been compressed/limited to heck and left with a low dynamic range (loud when they play softly and peaking when they play loudly). The synths sound okay (similar to Clone Wars S7, Bad Batch, and Tales of the Jedi) but don't have a lot of depth to their sound compared to the synth work I have heard from other composers doing TV stuff. Just my own thoughts. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me can address anything I've said which is inaccurate. I wish nothing but the best for Kiner and hope he keeps getting more work (while also addressing these issues which I feel negatively affect his music). enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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