#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 But why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 It used to be enough for the Bonds to be solidly enjoyable action adventures, but it seems nowadays Barbara Broccoli also wants artistic respectability (hence the hiring of arthouse-ish directors like Marc Foster, Sam Mendes and Danny Boyle ... even though that last one didn't work out). And the likes of the probing of Bond's psyche. Possibly a return to more 'journeyman' directors (the modern-day equivalents of Martin Campbell, Roger Spottiswoode and Michael Apted) might see the series return to the new-movie-every-couple-of-years cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Matt Reeves could do a decent Bond film. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 58 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: likes of the probing of Bond's psyche. And genuinely questioning why Bond even exists, and whether or not he's obsolete. Its also not unheard of for deconstructive films (which Casino Royale and Skyfall very much are) to kill a franchise or genre. Didn't Unforgiven turn the Western genre into a ghost-town for the better part of a decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 The western had been dead and buried for a long time before Unforgiven rocked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 That movie killed just about anything that walks or crawls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 It has Clint Eastwood shooting everyone with his big gun! I liked it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 He was very manly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Speaking of which, how about they get Clint Fucking Eastwood to direct the next Bond film. There's nothing that man can't direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 007 with a 44 Magnum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 It'll blow your head clean off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Stefancos said: Matt Reeves could do a decent Bond film. That would mean a Gia bond score and I don't want that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 What'shisname Macquarie might be good. 9 hours ago, Mr. Who said: That would mean a Gia bond score and I don't want that... Arnold is Bond, and Bond is Arnold. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard said: Arnold is Bond, and Bond is Arnold. End of. This! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Arnold Schwarzenegger as James Bond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Are you 'avin' a giraffe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 12:08 PM, Sweeping Strings said: It used to be enough for the Bonds to be solidly enjoyable action adventures, but it seems nowadays Barbara Broccoli also wants artistic respectability (hence the hiring of arthouse-ish directors like Marc Foster, Sam Mendes and Danny Boyle ... even though that last one didn't work out). And the likes of the probing of Bond's psyche. Possibly a return to more 'journeyman' directors (the modern-day equivalents of Martin Campbell, Roger Spottiswoode and Michael Apted) might see the series return to the new-movie-every-couple-of-years cycle? Forster was kind of given a short straw with his movie ruined by the writers' strike. While QoS is terrible, I put it mostly down to a nonexistent script. I like Mendes' ones - even if their plots are ridiculous, they make sense at least on a popcorn level. However, I'd prefer Bond to go back to the gadgets and fun, and not exploring Bond's past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If they'd waited for a year, and brought back Campbell, like they wanted to, then QOS would have been awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Yep. They should've just delayed the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Anyone else remember when it was cool to heap praise on QoS for being all dark, gritty and edgy and for somehow being really true to Fleming? Then suddenly people all came to their senses after Skyfall came out and everyone was like "Yeah... QoS sucks!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Yep. They should've just delayed the film. I think that Columbia was on EON's back to capitalise on CR, more's the pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Anyone else remember when it was cool to heap praise on QoS for being all dark, gritty and edgy and for somehow being really true to Fleming? Then suddenly people all came to their senses after Skyfall came out and everyone was like "Yeah... QoS sucks!" I don't remember it ever being cool to praise QoS. I thought it sucked as soon as I saw it. Nothing wrong with dark/gritty/edge. But the movie does need to have a plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 A Bond movie doesnt need a plot! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I don't remember it ever being cool to praise QoS. I thought it sucked as soon as I saw it. Nothing wrong with dark/gritty/edge. But the movie does need to have a plot. This. There's no revisionist history with Quantum Of Solace, people always thought it was terrible and trying to mimic Bourne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Nahhh, I remember it vividly how 007 nerds were in high praise for QoS for its supposed purity to Fleming's vision of Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Whatever you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 I've literally never heard anyone say anything good about QOS at all. I don't know where Drax is getting this idea from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Forster was kind of given a short straw with his movie ruined by the writers' strike. While QoS is terrible, I put it mostly down to a nonexistent script. I like Mendes' ones - even if their plots are ridiculous, they make sense at least on a popcorn level. However, I'd prefer Bond to go back to the gadgets and fun, and not exploring Bond's past. I thought Skyfall was terrific, and despite some misjudgements (choosing to reintroduce Blofeld to the series with that 'family' angle, for instance) SPECTRE isn't so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I've literally never heard anyone say anything good about QOS at all. I don't know where Drax is getting this idea from. I've loved it since opening night and praised it over the years. I dug an emotionally unstable drunk heartbroken Bond murdering senselessly. It's not as polished as Casino or Skyfall, but I like its roughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jay said: I've literally never heard anyone say anything good about QOS at all. I don't know where Drax is getting this idea from. Not even the 65% good reviews it got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Skyfall is a great film if you don’t look too deep into the plot where there are some huge flaws. I really enjoyed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Not even the 65% good reviews it got? Seems high. Nobody I know in real life has anything nice to say about it at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Seems high. Nobody I know in real life has anything nice to say about it at all One of the guys I saw it with was like "OHMYGOD IT WAS FANTASTIC!"... then he got the shits at me for saying how terrible it was. He was like this with most movies I saw with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 We get ... anniversary 'nods' handled much, much better than they were in Die Another Day. A bad guy who is both 'old-school' (island lair) and modern (bisexual cyber-terrorist). Pleasingly modern reintroductions of Q and Moneypenny. A strong sense of proud patriotism (but not the twatty UKIP sort). Some of the finest cinematography of the entire series (some of the shots in China and the Scottish moors take the breath away). A firm 'shutting down' of the stupid idea that 'James Bond' is a passed-along codename (the film makes it very clear that Bond is his FAMILY name). A genuinely moving final scene between Dench's M and Craig's Bond. Some A1 action (of course). The Craig era's best theme song in Adele's 'Skyfall'. Oh yeah, it's a good 'un all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Come on, everyone knows Duran Duran did the best Bond song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Oh, I didn't realise you were talking about Skyfall to begin with.... agreed I saw QoS on rental with my brother maybe 6 months after release, and as the credits rolled neither of us had a clue what had happened over the last two hours. I've tried watching the first 20 minutes of the film several times to try to get a handle on any sort of plot. It hasn't worked. Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: We get ... anniversary 'nods' handled much, much better than they were in Die Another Day. A bad guy who is both 'old-school' (island lair) and modern (bisexual cyber-terrorist). Pleasingly modern reintroductions of Q and Moneypenny. A strong sense of proud patriotism (but not the twatty UKIP sort). Some of the finest cinematography of the entire series (some of the shots in China and the Scottish moors take the breath away). A firm 'shutting down' of the stupid idea that 'James Bond' is a passed-along codename (the film makes it very clear that Bond is his FAMILY name). A genuinely moving final scene between Dench's M and Craig's Bond. Some A1 action (of course). The Craig era's best theme song in Adele's 'Skyfall'. Oh yeah, it's a good 'un all right. It's become my favourite Bond film. Koray Savas and Sweeping Strings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Bond movies all have the same "plot". Bad guy or woman up to something nefarious, Bond investigates, kills people, uses gadgets, meets an insanely hot female or several and wins. Which ones stray from that formula? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 My favourite 007 film usually swings between Octopussy and A View to a Kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 GoldenEye, for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 As long as they're entertaining, fuck. We've got gritty Dalton and buff elf Craig, Connery, comical suave Moore, Brosnan somewhere in between. I just wish he still smoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Bond movies all have the same "plot". Bad guy or woman up to something nefarious, Bond investigates, kills people, uses gadgets, meets an insanely hot female or several and wins. Which ones stray from that formula? Slight deviations - OHMSS ends with Blofeld thwarted, but Bond heartbroken rather than triumphant. Licence To Kill ... all the 'formula' things happen but they're within the framework of Bond seeking revenge for what the bad guy did to his friends. His 'going it alone' insubordination was perhaps only previously matched by him threatening to resign in the aforementioned OHMSS. Casino Royale ... Bond may foil Le Chiffre, but doesn't get to kill him (granted, this follows the novel). We've never seen torture hospitalise Bond before. And like OHMSS, the woman he was prepared to give up MI6 for dies in his arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Just heard: Cary Fukunaga is the replacement director, on Bond #25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/sep/20/james-bond-25-cary-fukunaga-named-as-new-director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 He will drop out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 They don't even have a script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 With Bond films that has little to do with the director, traditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, crumbs said: They don't even have a script. I think I read they're going back to the pre-Boyle script. At the very least, they've brought back the guys who wrote that script. So in any event they're likely ahead of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 I hope Cary Fukunaga hires David Arnold to score this film. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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