The Quick Question Thread

[Datameister 2,586]

Well, in Williams' case, it's really not a matter of relinquishing artistic control. I say that not out of fanboyism, but simply out of spending a lot of time looking at Williams' sketches and his orchestrators' manuscripts. In some Williams scores, there is truly NOTHING left to the imagination in his sketches. ROTS comes to mind. The sketches are basically full scores in condensed form. Other scores are a little less specific, but there's still enough information there for the results to sound identical, no matter which of his usual orchestrators he uses. For Williams, orchestrators are purely a way to save time. Their job is important, as long as they're doing it right, they don't really affect his sound at all.

I don't really know the specifics of Shore's or Morricone's situations, though. If they've found a way to get all the music written in time without an orchestrator to take care of the logistical details, more power to 'em. Based on the fact that Williams seems to orchestrate all his own concert work (and the occasional film score cue), I'd say that's most likely how he'd prefer to do it if he had the time.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

Did we ever figure out where the BTTF2 and 3 'releases' came from? None of the usual problems that blight these leaks (sound quality, multiple takes of everything, lack of organization, 5-10 second silences at the start and end), they seem like CD masters.

[fommes 165]

Thanks Wojo and Steef - will check one of those suggestions out.

Another question: how do you rip a hidden track on a CD to your computer? With hidden track I mean one of those that you can only listen to when you manually rewind the CD from No 1 on your stereo.

I've tried it with EAC and iTunes, but they just rip the first track, and not what comes before.

[Rachael Foley 10,164]

Thanks Wojo and Steef - will check one of those suggestions out.

Another question: how do you rip a hidden track on a CD to your computer? With hidden track I mean one of those that you can only listen to when you manually rewind the CD from No 1 on your stereo.

I've tried it with EAC and iTunes, but they just rip the first track, and not what comes before.

are their any film score (williams?) CDs that have that?

[Ollie 1,375]

I've never seen / heard a CD where the hidden track comes first.

[Jay 46,244]

How to post audio files in the way that JanBing always does? It shows the audio player but it doesn't let you download it.

Thanks in advance!

You don't have to do anything at all - just paste the full link to the mp3 right in the body of your post and the board software will automatically display it as the media player within your post

Did we ever figure out where the BTTF2 and 3 'releases' came from? None of the usual problems that blight these leaks (sound quality, multiple takes of everything, lack of organization, 5-10 second silences at the start and end), they seem like CD masters.

I would guess somebody who did get a hold of the recording session masters simply spent the time to remove the silence, organize, etc before distributing

Another question: how do you rip a hidden track on a CD to your computer? With hidden track I mean one of those that you can only listen to when you manually rewind the CD from No 1 on your stereo.

I've tried it with EAC and iTunes, but they just rip the first track, and not what comes before.

Good question, I don't know how to either!

I've never seen / heard a CD where the hidden track comes first.

I own three - "A Place In The Sun" by Lit, "Songs For The Deaf" by Queens Of The Stone Age, and "Songs In The Key of X: Music From And Inspired By The X-Files"

are their any film score (williams?) CDs that have that?

Nobuo Uematsu: Final Fantasy VII Reunion Tracks

[Wojo 2,458]

If you rip a normal audio CD to your computer, you will end up with every single track, hidden and unhidden alike. The so-called "hidden" tracks are not labeled on the packaging, and may be separated from another passage of music by periods of silence.

Think about the five alternate Star Wars Main Titles that come four minutes after the alternate Binary Sunset track normally concludes. The music stops but the digits keep rolling and the CD hasn't automatically stopped yet or "rewound" itself.

All you have to do is cut the audio from one track and paste it into another. Audacity can do it for free, as can a plethora of other programs. It's a manual effort, but it's not rocket science.

[Jay 46,244]

You completely missed what we're talking about. We're talking about when the hidden music is BEFORE the start of track 1. It's literally inside the "pre-gap" section of track 1 - the section that every CD player in the world will automatically skip past when playing the CD. You have to start the CD then hold down the "rewind" button to hear this type of hidden track.

Any ripping software I've ever used does NOT rip this pregap music.

[Wojo 2,458]

Oh. You learn something new everyday. I had honestly never heard of tracks hidden in the "pregap" before -- Hidden Track One Audio (HTOA). There are a bunch of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hidden_in_the_pregap

Extracting the audio, however, seems to be based on both the software you use as well as the physical CD drive you use. Some drives simply cannot read audio before index 01, but it seems that Exact Audio Copy can:

Exact Audio Copy - If the CD's table of contents (TOC) indicates track 01 index 00 is greater than 6 seconds, the info for track 1 will be colored red to indicate that HTOA might be present. In order to extract track 01 index 00 (regardless of whether it contains HTOA or is colored red), you have to perform either 1. a full image copy, 2. an index-based rip, 3. a range-based rip, or 4. regular track copy but with gaps appended [sic; actually prepended] to next track rather than previous.

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=HTOA

I also read something about using the Copy Range function, and extend the start point backwards, but EAC has not worked on either of my computers for years, so I don't worry about it anymore.

[fommes 165]

I own three - "A Place In The Sun" by Lit, "Songs For The Deaf" by Queens Of The Stone Age, and "Songs In The Key of X: Music From And Inspired By The X-Files"

Yep it's the last one I'm trying to rip right now. I'm getting the pregap track through EAC, but it's completely silent, so I assume I can't rip pregap tracks with my PC... I'll have to try this evening with another computer.

[Jacob 1]

What's up with the super-fart during The Flying Sequence at about 6:49?

"If you need a friend, *FART* I'm the one to fly to."

I'll say.

[Incanus 5,890]

That is just a too audible electric bass note I think, a flub in the performance. Unfortunately once you have heard it, you subconsciously wait for it every time you hear the piece.

[Datameister 2,586]

Yeah, just the bass jumping out the mix for a sec.

[Rachael Foley 10,164]

Speaking of Superman, does anybody think the intro for the concert arrangement of the Love theme sounds a BIT (not exactly) like the Danger Motif in Jurassic Park?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMa0xKwxucQ

[Jay 46,244]

No

[Rachael Foley 10,164]

Okay.

[fommes 165]

Good news - I've been able to extract that pregap track on another computer. Thanks to everyone for helping out.

[Xander Harris 9,677]

Speaking of Superman, does anybody think the intro for the concert arrangement of the Love theme sounds a BIT (not exactly) like the Danger Motif in Jurassic Park?

With it sped up, yeah, I hear a resemblance.

[MrJosh 1,205]

Question: I am about 3/4 done doing a complete edit of Minority Report.

Besides the 5 cues that there is pdf sheets for, does anyone know any other original cue titles?

Does a cue list exist? I would like to use original titles when I can.

[Jay 46,244]

I've never seen a listing of the original titles anywhere, sadly

[MrJosh 1,205]

Yeah I figured but thought I would at least ask

[Xander Harris 9,677]

Complete edit? I assume from the DVD/BD? Is Pre-Crime to the Rescue clean?

[MrJosh 1,205]

As clean as I can make it...its not bad besides two moments where the police spaceship thing flies by. I am trying to utilize both front and rear channels though to avoid as much noise as possible as well as clean out whatever sfx I can.

[Josh500 1,620]

Quick question regarding "24" I wanna throw out there. Maybe somebody can tell me.

Do the UK versions of "24" (DVDs) have the same extras as the US versions?

(I can't seem to find this information anywhere online...)

Thanks.

[fommes 165]

No. The Season 5 Prequel is missing, for one, if I remember correctly. There's some stuff cut too, if I'm not mistaken - look it up on DVDCompare. Too bad, because the box is damn cheap at Amazon UK now.

[Josh500 1,620]

No. The Season 5 Prequel is missing, for one, if I remember correctly. There's some stuff cut too, if I'm not mistaken - look it up on DVDCompare. Too bad, because the box is damn cheap at Amazon UK now.

Yes, that's why I am asking!! Last week, the 24 Complete Series Box (Seasons 1-8) was only £49!!! Unfortunately, now it's back to £145 or so...

[Jeff 10]

Can anyone tell me what's going on here?

[Jay 46,244]

I don't understand your question

But thanks for the head's up, I love M&S

[Jeff 10]

Look at the picture more closely.

[Jay 46,244]

ha!

[Jay 46,244]

What's the difference between the the Ryko and Varese versions of The Missouri Breaks?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388]

I know that content wise they are the same, Don't know about sound quality differences.

[Jay 46,244]

Right - I know the Rykodisc came first in 1999 then the Varese in 2004, but I don't know if the sound quality was improved or not, and which one has better liner note (or if they are both the same)

[Josh500 1,620]

OK, The Fury is the last major JW soundtrack that I still don't own. Don't ask me, I just missed out on it. My question now is: Should I get this original VS version for 7 bucks (used)?

http://www.amazon.com/Fury-1978-Film-John-Williams/dp/B0000014RI/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1306410719&sr=1-1

Somehow I don't feel like spending 120 bucks for the Deluxe Edition (used)...

http://www.amazon.com/Fury-Deluxe-John-Williams/dp/B000063BNL/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1306410719&sr=1-2

Or should I wait altogether? What do you suggest?

[Koray Savas 2,260]

Buy the OST and wait for a rerelease.

[Jay 46,244]

What Koray said. The re-recording released on the OST is better than the film tracks anyway, and one of our labels is bound to re-issue nice 2CD set sometime soon

[crocodile 9,724]

Really?

Karol

[Jay 46,244]

Hopefully!

[indy4 160]

Is there a way to change the album order in iTunes? I just bought a 2 CD set, and when I ripped it iTunes put the first track of each CD next to each other.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

You mean the order is like Disc 1 Track 1 followed by Disc 2 Track 1?

Add the disc numbers into the info field and that should do it.

[indy4 160]

Thanks! That worked.

[fommes 165]

I downloaded a newer version of Exact Audio Copy, and it now compresses to FLAC too. I guess not, but are there any Properties I need to check or so?

You can choose between a big amount of bitrates, but is that applicable? (You can't seem to select the level (1-8) of the FLAC compression.

[Jay 46,244]

I use this guide:

How To Rip 1:1 Copies of Audio CDs Using Exact Audio Copy

by Audiophile on Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:33 am

Updated: 05-29-10 | Written by: Audiophile | Reviewed by trusted members from the Digital-Inn forums.

CONCERNING FIREWALL WARNINGS. Due to lowering revenue by advertisers on the official "www.exactaudiocopy.de" website, the author has decided to add the option to install an eBay icon to the desktop and quick launch bar during the installation of Exact Audio Copy; and this may cause some persons' firewall to issue warnings upon download. Please note that Exact Audio Copy is completely free of adware/spyware/malware and the installation of this icon can easily be avoided by deselecting the "eBay Icon".

NOTE TO WIN95/98/SE USERS. If you're using any of these versions of Windows, please download and install either Nero ASPI Driver or Force ASPI Driver and extract it to the EAC folder (Default location: C:\Program Files\Exact Audio Copy) before running the Exact Audio Copy program.

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1. Installation

Download and install Exact Audio Copy and run it.

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Configuration Wizard

Proceed through windows 1-4, 6-7, 9 and 11 and adjust settings according to the information given.

(5th window) Feature Results.

Your drive must support Accurate stream ("Yes") otherwise it will not be possible to make exact copies of your audio CDs.

If your drive uses Audio cache ("Yes") then it will take a considerably longer time to rip your audio CDs (Alternative discussed under 3. Ripping the Audio CD posted below). If your drive does not use Audio cache ("No") then your audio CDs will be ripped at normal speeds.

If your drive uses C2 error information ("Yes") then EAC will rely on your drive to report this information (this is not always accurate on some drives). If "No", then EAC will report this information if it occurs.

(8th Window) Encoder Detection.

Select "FLAC [around 6MB/minute]".

(10th Window) freedb Configuration.

Type 'fake @ email.com' (remove spaces) and freedb should activate.

(12th Window) Done.

Select "I am an expert, let me use the full potential of EAC".

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2. Configuration

Configure AccurateRip, EAC Options and Drive Options.

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AccurateRip

At this point, you should be prompted to configure AccurateRip. A window like the one shown below should appear. If it does not appear, try inserting different audio CDs until it does. Press the "Configure" button and follow whatever instructions are given.

Still can't find a CD that works? Check here on "www.accuraterip.com/keydiscs.htm" for a list of CDs that can be used to configure AccurateRip.

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EAC Options

Press F10 or go to the menu bar and navigate to EAC > EAC Options.

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Extraction [tab]

No use of null samples with CRC calculations - DESELECT

Extraction and compression priority - OPTIONAL

For multi-core processors, set to "High". For slow processors, set to "Idle". For anything in between, leave at "Normal".

Error recovery quality - MEDIUM

Tools [tab]

Retrieve UPC / ISRC codes in CUE sheet generation - SELECT

Automatically write status report after extraction - SELECT

Do not open external compressor window - SELECT

Activate beginner mode, disable all advanced features - DESELECT

Press "OK" to save your settings.

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Drive Options

Press F11 or go to the menu bar and navigate to EAC > Drive Options.

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Drive [tab]

If there's an audio CD in the drive, press the "Autodetect read command now" button.

Offset / Speed [tab]

Overread into Lead-in and Lead-out - DESELECT

Allow speed reduction during extraction - SELECT

CD-Text Read capable drive - SELECT

Use AccurateRip with this drive - SELECT

If this box is grayed-out, make sure you've properly configured AccurateRip as shown at the beginning of this quote.

Gap Detection [tab]

Gap/Index retrieval method - SELECT "Detection method A"

Detection accuracy - SELECT "Secure"

Press "OK" to save your settings.

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3. Ripping the Audio CD

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For drives that use Audio cache. If your drive uses Audio cache (discussed at the beginning of this tutorial), it may take a long time to rip the CD. If you mind the wait, you can try using Burst mode as an alternative (Press F10 or go to the menu bar and navigate to EAC > Drive Options > Extraction Method and select "Burst mode"). Although not as thorough as "Secure mode", Burst mode will read CDs at a normal speed and can have the same level of accuracy as Secure mode given that the CD being ripped is in near-perfect condition. "Test & Copy..." as described below is always recommended.

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(1) Insert the audio CD that you want to rip.

Method 1: Disc Image Rip

This method will create a single track containing all of the audio data from the CD. If you prefer this method then disregard "Method 2: Multi-track rip".

(1) Go to the the menu bar and navigate to Action > Test & Copy Image & Create CUE Sheet > Compressed.

Method 2: Multi-track Rip

This method will create individual tracks based on the number of tracks on the CD.

(1) Go to the menu bar and navigate to Action > Append Gaps to Previous Track (default) and make sure there's a check sign next to it.

(2) Press Ctrl+A to select all tracks and then press F4 or go to the menu bar and navigate to Action > Detect Gaps. If this is not working as expected, refer to the + Troubleshooting portion of this tutorial posted below.

(3) Press Shift+F6 or go to the menu bar and navigate to Action > Test & Copy Selected Tracks > Compressed.

(4) Once the CD has finished copying, go the the menu bar and navigate to Action > Create CUE Sheet > Multiple WAV Files With Gaps (Noncompliant) and save it in the same folder where you ripped the CD.

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4. Quick Inspection

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Log File

(1) Open the directory where you ripped your CD and open the log file (text document).

(2) Scroll to the bottom of that text file and you should see some massages that say "'No errors occurred" and "Accurately ripped...". If you spot any of the following messages: "There were errors", "Suspicious position...", "Some tracks could not be verified as being accurate..." then refer to the + Troubleshooting portion of this tutorial posted below.

If there are any tracks that are 'not present in the AccurateRip database', check to see if the Test CRC and Copy CRC for those tracks match each other.

Here are some examples of what a proper log file should look like: Disc Image Rip Log File | Multi-track Rip Log File.

Some settings like: "Defeat audio cache", "Make use of C2 pointers", "Read offset correction" and "Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out" may vary depending on the DVD/CD-ROM drive you're using.

CUE Sheet

(1) Make sure that the CUE sheet is included in the folder with the CD rip.

(2) You can view the CUE sheet in Notepad and check if the ISRC codes, if at all present, contain alphanumerical characters, for example: JPE100901350. If the ISRC codes contain characters like "#" or "&" then your drive does not support this feature.

- End of tutorial

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+ FAQ

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Q: What's the purpose of using Exact Audio Copy? Why can't I just use Windows Media Player or Nero?

A: Exact Audio Copy allows users to make several adjustments that can result in an exact, bit-identical copy of the original CD. Also, when setup to do so, EAC can automatically generate a detailed log file which contains information about the ripping process and reveals to the user any possible errors. Read here for more details on how this technology works.

Q: Why do I need to use this tutorial? Why can't EAC automatically setup everything for me?

A: Many of the settings in EAC can not automatically be adjusted because these settings depend on the type of drive that you're using, therefore, user input is necessary. This tutorial shows the basics of what needs to be enabled, disabled or readjusted to result in a bit-identical copy of the CD.

Q: Can I use Exact Audio Copy to encode to other lossless formats or Mp3 (LAME) instead of FLAC?

A: Yes. You can find a whole host of EAC compression guides here. The main reason for using FLAC in this tutorial is (1) FLAC can be setup to install and configure itself automatically and (2) it has great software and hardware support.

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+ Troubleshooting

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Q: When I press F4 to Detect Gaps, it takes a really long time or completely stalls, what's the problem?

A: It usually takes 1-2 seconds to detect a gap for each track, if it takes much longer or stalls then press F10 or navigate to EAC > Drive Option. Click on the 'Gap Detection' tab and change the 'Gap/Index retrieval method' to either 'Detection method B' or 'Detection method C'. Press 'OK' to exit that window and press 'F4' again to Detect Gaps.

Q: The Track quality / Range quality is under 100.00%, does this mean that some data is missing?

A: No. Under Secure mode, EAC will attempt to re-read a certain portion of the disc when it was not able to retrieve all of the data on the first read, as a result, the Track quality / Range quality will be below 100.00% but this does not mean that the data was not fully extracted after it was re-read. If the Test CRC and Copy CRC for that track match each other and/or the track is 'accurately ripped', then the track is okay.

Q: The log file reports a mismatched Test and Copy CRC but the track is 'accurately ripped', what does this mean?

A: The track is okay if it's confirmed to be 'accurately ripped'. A possible reason for the mismatched test and copy CRC is that during the test pass, EAC was not able to properly retrieve all of the data, but during the copy pass, where data is extracted from the CD and stored on the hard drive, EAC was able to retrieve the correct data and AccurateRip confirmed this.

Q: The log file reports a 'Suspicious position' on the last track, what's the problem?

A: If the CD has no scratches or dust on it, it's most likely an incorrect setting in EAC. Open EAC and press F10 or navigate to: EAC > Drive Option. Click on the 'Speed / Offset' tab and, if enabled, disable 'Overread into Lead-in and Lead-out'. Try to rip the CD again and see if the log file reports any errors.

I hope you found this tutorial to be useful. Please leave feedback and if you have any questions, e-mail me at music4brainz@gmail(dot)com or leave a comment here.

Many thanks to greynol of the Digital-Inn forums for his review and critiquing of this tutorial.

[fommes 165]

Wow.

[LongTallJodie 76]

I've been compressing to FLAC from EAC for years. In general, the extra options for FLAC aren't that important. You can tweak things to speed up encoding or reduce file size, but at the end of the day, a FLAC is a FLAC. It'll sound the same regardless of the various options. Yay lossless!

[Wojo 2,458]

I'm going to try EAC again. It hasn't worked on either of my computers for years -- I don't know, something's installed that conflicts, and I haven't delved into it long enough to find out what. I have about 130 ripped albums sitting that I ripped with FreeRip that have not been tagged yet, so I'll take it on faith that they're ok, and if I can get EAC working, then I can re-rip bad tracks as I find them.

[Bellosh 4,531]

Quick question:

in "Marcus is Captured/To Berlin" @ 1:19 - 1:34

This is Henry Jones Sr. actual theme? It's also heard in "Keeping Up With The Joneses" and at the end of "On The Tank."

And no I'm not talking about the Illumination Theme, just specifically Henry Jones Sr.

Or is it more a Indy's family theme, the part in /To Berlin" I've always liked to think he wrote that for Indy's mom, it has that sort of feel to it.

Any thoughts?

[Jay 46,244]

It's kind of a theme for Henry Sr, but also just used randomly throughout the score sometimes. Williams does that sometimes.

[Bellosh 4,531]

It's kind of a theme for Henry Sr, but also just used randomly throughout the score sometimes. Williams does that sometimes.

Yeah, it's also heard at the end of "The Birds of Charlemagne."

I'd have to say it's definitely his theme.

[Jay 46,244]

But when it's used at the end of On The Tank, it's for Marcus saying "the pen is mightier than the sword", not because of anything Henry did

And don't forget there's the the theme that plays in Keeping Up With The Joneses as well as other tracks that is usually written for scenes involving Henry