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Hmmmm. Well somehow subtlety and restraint are not words I'd associate with Jackson's early work.  Even the fabulous Heavenly Creatures, which is arguably his best pre-LOTR film.
 
Why does the barrel fight and basically everything Legolas does in The Hobbit look more like the MCU than LOTR? Do you think this was intentional on Jackson's part to appeal to that audience?
 

Agreed. It's probably my second favourite film of all time...in both versions.
 
Especially in the theatrical version, I think The Fellowship of the Ring is the least "Peter Jackson" of all Peter Jackson's films. It has a restraint and subtlety in it that's missing from most of his other work. 

This place is great indeed. Sometimes wish I had more time to throw my thoughts here. Other times, I feel I should just listen to music instead of read opinions about it.  But that’s any message board. It’s amazing I get to talk with cool people round the world who love this shit too, don’t think I’m weird, and will tolerate my stupid posts as well as my more thoughtful ones.  

I have, and Andy's posts have been far from stupid.

If by blue you mean green...absolutely, the FOTR BD EE is too green.


 
 

I actually feel that in some respects its the opposite: Jackson himself admits some of the earliest parts of the movie are ones where was still shooting in a more indie style characteristic of his early work. I'm thinking especially all the closeups from the beginning of the film right through the Bree sequence.

Yes!

Resistance is feudal

The Hobbit is based on a book by JRR Tolkien. ROP is not. 
The Hobbit is a film. ROP is content.
The Hobbit was created by talented people who have a deep love and respect for Tolkien. ROP was created to sell toasters. 
 
Not only is The Hobbit, flawed as it is, better in every conceivable way, but the mere existence of Rings of Power makes The Hobbit better. By the time Season 5 of ROP rolls around The Hobbit will look like Casablanca. 

Perhaps I'm a tad late here, but the scene where Thorin and co. turn and begin to leave after failing to find the door is just as jarring and ill-fitting of a moment as that scene in ROTK, where Sam actually leaves Frodo on Cirith Ungol. Both are just terrible character moments that completely betray and undermine the characters involved, as well as their entire arc and the journey they've traveled.
 
 
This alone is better than any passage of dialogue in DOS.

Very true. But from that perspective, nothing we discuss around here matters in the grand scheme of things.
 
I mean, how is whinging about Star Wars any different than obsessing over a three second missing alternate cue from Mr. Mom?

@Mattris, you're on Tatooine walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see an injured womp rat. You reach down and flip it over on its back. The womp rat lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?

If by blue you mean green...absolutely, the FOTR BD EE is too green.


 
 

Agree. LOTR in general has a more grounded, earthy, "historical" feel, as opposed to The Hobbit, which, to my eyes, has a more "fantasy" look. I supposed part of this was intentional on Jackson's part, to depict an earlier, greener Middle-Earth that hadn't quite reached its decaying, Autumnal years, but let's face it...a lot of it was simply due to the film being shot digitally, and certain choices...I'd call them compromises...made for a 3D/HFR presentation. It does have that sharp, "digital" look which, whether you love or hate it, is a thing that people notice.  I concede this is simply a matter of personal taste, but I prefer the more analogue, organic (for lack of a better term) look of LOTR.
 
 
They were. And I do think the decision, in the 4K BD presentation, to bring the overall look of LOTR more in line with The Hobbit was a mistake. And in any event, if that was Jackson's intention, it really didn't work.
 
 

Please don't bring me into your separate conversation with Schilkeman, it has nothing to do with me.
 
I asked you a series of simple, basic questions that even a small child (who these films were made for) could easily answer. So I can only conclude you are either unwilling, or unable to answer them. If you're unwilling to answer them, then you're not engaging in good faith, in which case why should anyone answer yours? If you're unable to answer them, then one can only conclude you've been misleading everyone here about your Star Wars expertise.
 
So decide, are you unwilling or unable to answer? You must choose...carefully. And if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
 

@Mattris, please answer the following. Thank you.
 
How does the Jedi Council's decision-making process, particularly during the Clone Wars, reflect their ideological rigidity and contribute to their downfall?
 
What are the implications of Anakin Skywalker's unique Force abilities and his vision of Padmé's death on his transformation into Darth Vader?
 
How do the complex relationships between the Sith Lords, especially the rule of two, influence the balance of power within the Sith and the galaxy as a whole?
 
In what ways do the diverse political strategies of characters like Senator Amidala and Bail Organa shape the early rebellion against the Empire?
 
How does the presence of Force-sensitive beings, such as the Nightsisters of Dathomir, challenge the Jedi-Sith dichotomy traditionally presented in Star Wars lore?
 
What are the potential long-term effects on the galaxy's political structure following the defeat of the Empire and the establishment of the New Republic?
 
How does the evolution of droid sentience, exemplified by characters like R2-D2 and C-3PO, influence their roles within the galactic events and their interactions with organic beings?
 
How does the Force-sensitive lineage within the Skywalker family impact the broader conflict between the light and dark sides of the Force across multiple generations?
 
How does the political philosophy and governance structure of the Galactic Republic, particularly during the prequel era, reflect theoretical frameworks of federalism and how might this have contributed to its downfalll?
 
What are the ecological and economic repercussions of the Empire's resource extraction policies on planets like Lothal and Scarif?
 
Analyze the psychological and existential ramifications of the Force dyad concept as experienced by Rey and Kylo Ren. How does this unique connection challenge the traditional understanding of Force bonds and dualities?
 
Consider the Jedi Code’s prohibition of attachments in the context of philosophical debates about emotion regulation. How do the personal struggles of key Jedi, such as Anakin and Luke Skywalker, critique or support contemporary theories of emotional suppression and resilience?
 
Discuss the implications of cloning technology on concepts of identity and personhood as exemplified by the Clone Army. How do the individual narratives of clones like Rex and Cody enrich our understanding of autonomy within a predetermined existence?
 
Evaluate the role of ancient Sith artifacts and holocrons in the broader context of cultural heritage and historiography within the Star Wars universe. How do these objects influence contemporary Sith ideology and power structures?
 
In what ways does the exploration of trauma, memory, and redemption in the character arcs of figures like Darth Revan and Ahsoka Tano contribute to the narrative complexity and moral ambiguity within the Star Wars canon?
 
How does the depiction of non-human species and their integration into galactic society reflect broader socio-political themes of xenophobia, multiculturalism, and diversity? Consider specific examples like the Twi’leks of Ryloth and the Mon Calamari of Mon Cala.

I didn't say you could say that again.
 
 
Nor you.

Very true. But from that perspective, nothing we discuss around here matters in the grand scheme of things.
 
I mean, how is whinging about Star Wars any different than obsessing over a three second missing alternate cue from Mr. Mom?

@Mattris, please answer the following. Thank you.
 
How does the Jedi Council's decision-making process, particularly during the Clone Wars, reflect their ideological rigidity and contribute to their downfall?
 
What are the implications of Anakin Skywalker's unique Force abilities and his vision of Padmé's death on his transformation into Darth Vader?
 
How do the complex relationships between the Sith Lords, especially the rule of two, influence the balance of power within the Sith and the galaxy as a whole?
 
In what ways do the diverse political strategies of characters like Senator Amidala and Bail Organa shape the early rebellion against the Empire?
 
How does the presence of Force-sensitive beings, such as the Nightsisters of Dathomir, challenge the Jedi-Sith dichotomy traditionally presented in Star Wars lore?
 
What are the potential long-term effects on the galaxy's political structure following the defeat of the Empire and the establishment of the New Republic?
 
How does the evolution of droid sentience, exemplified by characters like R2-D2 and C-3PO, influence their roles within the galactic events and their interactions with organic beings?
 
How does the Force-sensitive lineage within the Skywalker family impact the broader conflict between the light and dark sides of the Force across multiple generations?
 
How does the political philosophy and governance structure of the Galactic Republic, particularly during the prequel era, reflect theoretical frameworks of federalism and how might this have contributed to its downfalll?
 
What are the ecological and economic repercussions of the Empire's resource extraction policies on planets like Lothal and Scarif?
 
Analyze the psychological and existential ramifications of the Force dyad concept as experienced by Rey and Kylo Ren. How does this unique connection challenge the traditional understanding of Force bonds and dualities?
 
Consider the Jedi Code’s prohibition of attachments in the context of philosophical debates about emotion regulation. How do the personal struggles of key Jedi, such as Anakin and Luke Skywalker, critique or support contemporary theories of emotional suppression and resilience?
 
Discuss the implications of cloning technology on concepts of identity and personhood as exemplified by the Clone Army. How do the individual narratives of clones like Rex and Cody enrich our understanding of autonomy within a predetermined existence?
 
Evaluate the role of ancient Sith artifacts and holocrons in the broader context of cultural heritage and historiography within the Star Wars universe. How do these objects influence contemporary Sith ideology and power structures?
 
In what ways does the exploration of trauma, memory, and redemption in the character arcs of figures like Darth Revan and Ahsoka Tano contribute to the narrative complexity and moral ambiguity within the Star Wars canon?
 
How does the depiction of non-human species and their integration into galactic society reflect broader socio-political themes of xenophobia, multiculturalism, and diversity? Consider specific examples like the Twi’leks of Ryloth and the Mon Calamari of Mon Cala.

@Mattris, you're on Tatooine walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see an injured womp rat. You reach down and flip it over on its back. The womp rat lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?

Very true. But from that perspective, nothing we discuss around here matters in the grand scheme of things.
 
I mean, how is whinging about Star Wars any different than obsessing over a three second missing alternate cue from Mr. Mom?

Too bad. It’s coming.

For this to work, assuming Mortenson & Bloom are in the film for any significant length of time, it's going to have to be, by far, the best de-ageing we've seen yet. I think the best I've seen it done was Dial of Destiny, and that was just for 20 minutes, at night, and even then he results were mixed, it still had that uncanny valley effect. And other than perhaps The Irishman, where it looked like crap, I'm not sure it's ever been done for a lead in a film for the entire runtime.
 
That said, if anyone can pull it off, it's WETA. 
 

It's essentially just become the OT for me. Three films. And that's if I'm feeling generous, mostly it's two.