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JW: The Rise of Skywalker is my final Star Wars film.
 
Kathleen Kennedy: We'd like you to score Episode X.
 
JW: Sorry Kathleen, I've retired from scoring.
 
Kennedy: Daisy will be retur...
 
JW: Where do I sign!

Episode 0 I think is in risk of falling into the same pitfalls as stuff like The Rings of Power and Prometheus: the beginning of the Jedi Order is as much a creation myth as anything in those.
 
An episode X is just…pointless at this point.

Everything is proceeding as@Mattris has foreseen.

I wonder which one they’ll cancel first? 
 
The Mangold one is probably in most danger depending on the reception of Indy 5

I wonder which one they’ll cancel first? 
 
The Mangold one is probably in most danger depending on the reception of Indy 5

I wonder which one they’ll cancel first? 
 
The Mangold one is probably in most danger depending on the reception of Indy 5

I wonder which one they’ll cancel first? 
 
The Mangold one is probably in most danger depending on the reception of Indy 5

"Oh, an Ahsoka trailer. That's nice."
 
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Less than two minutes later... "I AM LOSING MY MIND RIGHT NOW."
 
Pity it won't have Luke and Leia in it. (RECAST, you fools!)
 
 
... Don't do that.

The Ian Nathan book is a frustratingly bad book. He has so much access to the film makers but largely just regurgitates stuff from the DVDs and other books. 
 
It’s so all over the place. Like literally. At one stage he’s going “chronologically” through the shoot. He gets to August, talks about how busy everyone is… and then goes on to talk about Andrew Lesnie being hired in May 1999. The whole book is all over the place in its scope and timeline. It’s far more about the business of making the films rather than the actual making of the films. And he’s a very poor writer. But unfortunately, he thinks he’s the dog’s bollocks. 
 
A Rinzler style look at the films would be amazing and hopefully someday it will happen. But hopefully Ian Nathan is done with middle-earth. 
 
The Sibley book is great though! 

Kloves gets way too much credit for the series. He came up with some awful shit considering the source material he had.

The MCU basically hasn’t got an hours worth of memorable of notable music, there are people who’ve seen everyone of those films multiple times and probably wouldn’t recognise anything beyond the Avengers theme. 
 
Those films are still popular despite this. There’s a reason us film score fans are a small niche of a niche. 

I still think you are way over estimating the public's attention to film music. If John Williams, Hans Zimmer, James Horner, Danny Elfman were never born, successful films would still have been made. Movies were successful before John Williams and will be afterwards. And here is a study that confirms how bad people are when it comes to recognizing film music, even when a chunk of the people polled claimed to be life long film music fans. Even though Harry Potter is the most recognized film score in this study, only 36% recognized the main theme: 
 
The majority of the respondents bragged that they can identify movies on the music alone, but they may need to get their ears checked, as the results of the film score quiz had some puzzling results. Despite “Star Wars” being among the list of most recognizable themes, 45% of respondents actually guessed incorrectly or didn’t know what film this music was from. 
 
'The iconic, ear piercing theme from the classic horror trope “Psycho” was also misidentified as the theme for “Pirates of the Caribbean” by 17%.
The survey conducted by OnePoll on behalf of OPPO Find X3 Pro revealed when respondents were asked to listen to the theme from “Sherlock Holmes,” 31% of respondents said they simply didn’t have a clue.
 
When asked to listen to the “Inception” theme, three in 10 respondents thought they were taking a trip to Hogwarts and incorrectly thought this was the theme to “Harry Potter.”
 
A quarter of respondents thought Indiana Jones was about to snatch another artifact when listening to the theme for “The Dark Knight” – misidentifying this theme as “Raiders of the Lost Ark.”
 
Forty-five percent of those polled are already blasting film scores in their headphones and listening to movie soundtracks while going about their life.
 
TOP 10 MOST ICONIC FILM THEMES OF ALL TIME
“Harry Potter” - 36%
“Titanic” - 32%
“Inception” - 23%
“West Side Story” - 23%
“Gone with the Wind” - 20%
“Raiders of the Lost Ark” - 19%
“Jaws” - 18%
“Psycho” - 18%
“Star Wars” - 18%
“Rocky” - 12%
 
https://swnsdigital.com/us/2021/04/legendary-composer-hans-zimmer-tells-us-the-two-things-that-make-a-legendary-soundtrack/
 
 

The box set has never been re-released.  It's simply gone temporarily out of stock a few times while they waited for more to arrive from the pressing plant.

Temporarily out of stock doesn't mean sold out, LLL doesn't stock all 5000 copies at once, only smaller batches that take forever to restock.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/are-completion-rates-key-to-netflix-cancelations/
 
However, as Digital I has observed, shows with completion rates below 50% are often subject to cancelation.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/04/05/why-the-rings-of-power-was-a-huge-flop-that-most-people-never-finished/?sh=3b361845d34a 
 
Forbes seem to think the numbers are bad anyway. They certainly no more about money than I do.
 
but a fairly significant chunk of that 37% won’t come back for season 2. Just because they finished it doesn’t mean they enjoyed it. 

My two cents that nobody asked for: I cannot agree when the head of Amazon Studios said months ago after the show aired that people just came in because they were biased and already wanted to dislike and hate the show. Amazon has to own up to its failure instead of blaming the fandom. The fact that ROP season one got 37% of completion rate means it failed to reasonate with the fandon that  point blank it wasn't an hit show. To be fair and intellectual honest millions of people worldwide gave ROP a fair shot, a try. without prejudices and preconceptions. On the first opening weekend according to Amazon there were around 100 millions viewers for the first two episodes. If they lost 63% of these viewers in the next weekends maybe you have to think about what didn't work(everything expect for the aesthetic and the soundtrack)then just blaming the viewers and the fandom
 
Agreed. Also I would add ROP first season shares with the last seasons of GOT not ony this
 
but also the same issues of logical coherence and the same let's say conflictual relationship with the source material
And this is very worring considering there are already four more seasons and a spin off planned so we are very far from the ending

That Forbes article is excellent, and pretty much sums up my feelings perfectly.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/are-completion-rates-key-to-netflix-cancelations/
 
However, as Digital I has observed, shows with completion rates below 50% are often subject to cancelation.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/04/05/why-the-rings-of-power-was-a-huge-flop-that-most-people-never-finished/?sh=3b361845d34a 
 
Forbes seem to think the numbers are bad anyway. They certainly no more about money than I do.
 
but a fairly significant chunk of that 37% won’t come back for season 2. Just because they finished it doesn’t mean they enjoyed it. 

Only 37% of Joe Public finished the first season. People subscribe to Amazon Prime for free shipping. Not half backed shows with too many cooks. Their popular stuff is Jack Ryan and Jack Reacher. 

Only 37% of Joe Public finished the first season. People subscribe to Amazon Prime for free shipping. Not half backed shows with too many cooks. Their popular stuff is Jack Ryan and Jack Reacher. 

Yeah. Star Wars? Sure. I'd say more than 50% of Star Wars popularity can be attributed to Williams score.  Way more. I don't think there's a film in history that owes as much of its popularity to the score as Star Wars. It's different, lesser experience with JW's music. I'd go so far as to say, without JW's music, Star Wars would have ended with one film.  
 
But Harry Potter? Nah. It's a great score, and Hedwig's theme is iconic, but those films would have been popular not matter who scored then...as every score starting with the 4th film demonstrates.

John Williams' score is wonderful. But I wouldn't say 50% of the popularity of the Harry Potter movie universe is John Williams. There is no evidence to support that. Harry Potter was popular because it was Harry Potter.

Kloves gets way too much credit for the series. He came up with some awful shit considering the source material he had.

I’m still hoping the report is wrong and they’ll do a Hogwarts Legacy style original story. I think that would be the best case scenario. 
 
There’s also the advantage of casting 15/16 year olds as your main characters rather than starting at 11, and you get to use familiar designs and locations which still make up the look of theme parks, and tourist attractions. Rings of Power is half original half trying to be the PJ films and it sucks at both. There’s a big chance the WB makes the same mistakes as Amazon here. 
 
If you go back far enough you don’t have to worry about prequelitis and have to shoehorn in characters from the movies. 
 
A remake of the books this soon after something that was such so iconic and a worldwide phenomenon just seems so strange to me and screams bad ideas. The people I’ve worked with have young kids who aren’t old enough to read who are obsessed with the films and Harry Potter Lego. I think you need to build on what’s already there rather than the reboot.