Brundlefly
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2 hours ago, Jay said:
So I don't think this has been discussed yet:
Who else was blown away to learn that a portion of "Dry Your Tears, Afrika" as we always knew it for 25 years was just a part of "Liberation of Lomoboko" tracked in, replacing Williams' original intentions for the middle of the song?
I MUCH prefer his intentions over this tracked version. But, it is interesting he integrated this tracking into the concert version he performed in concerts (and recorded for Spielberg/Williams III)
The acapella opening of the final version is nice, but I've come to like the percussion opening of his original version more, I think.
Timestamp? I want my set now! My impatience reminds me of 2018 and 2016
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8 hours ago, publicist said:
I mean, the score's almost brilliant and that's what counts, but that cover looks like secondhand videostore, ca. 1994.
Flipping the booklet doesn't help, you basically do get a better cover, but with more glaring photoshop fuck-ups. We need someone to make a proper cover art for the Hollow Man expansion. It's surprising that no one has devoted himself to that task yet.
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I just don't get why people even think of elevating Aliens on a level with Alien. Aliens is a great action film, yes, it is ... but Alien is a cinematic and dramaturical benchmark, a masterpiece. Same goes for the score: Goldsmith's score is one of the most creative, refined and effective works I've ever heard in any genre. Horner's score is a solid two-week job.
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4 minutes ago, Tallguy said:
You should watch Aliens. Completely different movie. After that you can be done.
Nope ... Alien >>>>>> Aliens = Alien 3 = Alien: Resurrection
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On 14/12/2022 at 9:35 AM, GerateWohl said:
They are showing the anniversary editions for each CD separately except for A.I.
They didn't include the re-release of 1941 and Saving Private Ryan is not a 2CD release. Nitpicking over.
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10 hours ago, WampaRat said:
I think Interstellar and Tenet are the only film titles of his to use serifs. 😆
Tenet uses serifs?
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On 12/12/2022 at 7:56 PM, filmmusic said:
For me kitsch is the easily accessible, easily recognizable* or plainly, simplistic melody. Of course sometimes it's very difficult to even come up with such a melody.
And also, it doesn't mean that I don't love some "kitsch" (or on the verge of "kitsch") film themes.
Some examples (by the way, I have noticed that many of these themes feature melodic or harmonic sequences):
the A theme of:
* Now, many John Williams themes are easily recognizable, but that doesn't make them kitsch. They could be simple, but not simplistic.
To me it seems like you apply the term kitsch to a certain mood or chord progression and instrumentation. In an essay, I found kitsch to be ussually defined by the "extent of timeless ideal of beauty". By that standard I can kind of understand the first example you posted. The reporach in this case could be that the piece is trying not to be just a love theme, but the love theme out of all love themes.
Regarding all that, another piece that instantly comes to my mind is that:
Especially from 1:28 onwards...
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41 minutes ago, Bayesian said:
Well, we know of course JW remains keen to write music. When he says he doesn't want to spend 6 months of his autumn years working on a score, I take it to mean he has no more patience for experiences like Rise of Skywalker (i.e., endless rewrites and butchering of his hard work in the final cut).
From that POV, Indy 5 is almost assuredly the last blockbuster score with wall-to-wall music we will see from JW. But one or two more smaller scores for Spielberg are easy to imagine.
This!
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Shouldn't one version of Going Home have a star?
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It might be an interesting discussion. A few months ago, I've found a book about kitsch in a give away box on the street. And in that book it is stated that kitsch is mostly not even talked about, because art scholars look down on it as an inferior art form - however, is it right not to reflect on supposedly "inferior art forms"? After all, they exist and shape our understanding of art too. In short: Start that thread!
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11 hours ago, filmmusic said:
My opinion may be unpopular, but...I think a lot of Morricone's themes are on the verge of kitsch. They are not sophisticated enough like say John Williams's.
Thus the "gulity" pleasure. This is one of those themes for me.
Wait, are you implying Williams is never on the verge of kitsch?
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4 hours ago, publicist said:
There is a whole lot of more interesting material now, the score ain't no masterpiece or anything of that sort, but it afforded Williams a rare opportunity to explore a meeting of different musical cultures and since he had to create so much music for it, there's just a lot to choose from.
I already see my future self compiling an African-only playlist after having listened to the whole program a few times that omits all of the Americana.
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8 hours ago, WampaRat said:Dang. By that same logic it’s a slippery slope. Theres so many other fantastic scores that could potentially get canceled just because they were composed by white guys who combined non-western European ethnic colors with a traditional symphony orchestra.
I strongly believe in the enlightenment, so censorship and cancel culture are the wrong way per se, at least in my humble opinion. I can really live with and accept harsh criticism towards movies or music that played an important part in my childhood, for example. Just "cancelling" them instead of thoroughly reflecting on their missteps, while also highlighting their merits, has more of an angry medieval mob than a refined and differentiated contemporary society.
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It has to be said, Quartet always has magnificent artwork!
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1 hour ago, JohnnyD said:So was I. Vaguely exotic? Really?
Truth be told, Amistad is Western orchestral music disguised in slight African instrumentalization and texture - I love the score, but I would never dare to claim that it is more African than our narrow perception of Africa is, that'd be quite ignorant.
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4 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:
Yup, the Nixon trailer cue made it into the original soundtrack.
4 hours ago, Jay said:So did Hook's
Those might be the most essential teaser/trailer stuff he's done. After all, they are both openers to their respective soundtrack album.
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On 04/12/2022 at 3:05 PM, Naïve Old Fart said:
More than any other scene in CASINO ROYALE, this one sends me apoplectic.
Keep your arms straight, move your hands down about two inches, and when you go to give her breaths, open... the fucking... airway!!!
It's never accurate - if it was, the actors would risk to get their rips broken. I cannot unsee it anymore.
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Okay, so it's like Goldsmith's The Last Hard Men.
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On 03/12/2022 at 12:59 PM, Jay said:
John Williams has 111 feature-length film scores under his belt through Indy 5
- Daddy-O
- I Passed For White
- Because They're Young
- The Secret Ways
- Bachelor Flat
- Diamond Head
- Gidget Goes To Rome
- The Killers
- None But The Brave
- John Goldfarb, Please Come Home
- The Rare Breed
- How to Steal a Million
- The Plainsman
- Not With My Wife, You Don’t!
- Penelope
- A Guide for the Married Man
- Valley of the Dolls
- Fitzwilly
- Heidi
- Daddy’s Gone A-Hunting
- Goodbye, Mr. Chips
- The Reivers
- Storia di una Donna (Story of a Woman)
- Jane Eyre
- Fiddler on the Roof
- The Cowboys
- Images
- The Poseidon Adventure
- Pete ‘N’ Tillie
- The Long Goodbye
- Tom Sawyer
- The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing
- The Paper Chase
- Cinderella Liberty
- Conrack
- The Sugarland Express
- Earthquake
- The Towering Inferno
- The Eiger Sanction
- Jaws
- Family Plot
- The Missouri Breaks
- Midway
- Black Sunday
- Star Wars
- Close Encounters of the Third Kind
- The Fury
- Jaws 2
- Superman – The Movie
- Dracula
- 1941
- The Empire Strikes Back
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Heartbeeps
- E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
- Monsignor
- Return of the Jedi
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- The River
- SpaceCamp
- The Witches of Eastwick
- Empire of the Sun
- The Accidental Tourist
- Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
- Born on the Fourth of July
- Always
- Stanley & Iris
- Presumed Innocent
- Home Alone
- Hook
- JFK
- Far and Away
- Home Alone 2: Lost in New York
- Jurassic Park
- Schindler’s List
- Sabrina
- Nixon
- Sleepers
- Rosewood
- The Lost World: Jurassic Park
- Seven Years in Tibet
- Amistad
- Saving Private Ryan
- Stepmom
- Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace
- Angela’s Ashes
- The Patriot
- A.I. Artificial Intelligence
- Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
- Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones
- Minority Report
- Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
- Catch Me If You Can
- Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
- The Terminal
- Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith
- War of the Worlds
- Memoirs of a Geisha
- Munich
- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
- The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn
- War Horse
- Lincoln
- The Book Thief
- Star Wars: The Force Awakens
- The BFG
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi
- The Post
- Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
- The Fabelmans
- Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
For some reason I had 110 feature film on my list: I didn't include Heidi and Jane Eyre (maybe because they were TV productions?) and instead Sergeant Ryker which you don't have on yours.
Out of those I count 13 scores with no release at all, 17 scores with an OST album only, 1 incomplete expansion (Hook), 56 scores with definitive (or almost definitive) releases, 9 scores with too high re-use fees (all have an OST album only) and 14 Star Wars/Indiana Jones scores (with releases of different sorts).
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Actually, we need all three Stones! Have you seen The Temple of Doom?
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We finally need one of the Stones. My bets are on Born on the 4th of July.
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Presenting my favourite film critic to the non-German people here, who has started producing english versions of his infamous analyses. I know, he has a strong accent and his pronounciation isn't always correct, however, the content is what counts here: For over ten years now, he provides a deeper sociological and ideology-critical look into mainstream movies:
Sadly, in this video he confirms, what I had already expected from the sequel of the incredibly awful Black Panther movie.
YOUR FAVORITE TITLE FROM VARÈSE SARABANDE RECORDS (2022)
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Presumed Innocent or L.A. Confidential - both have little more short cues to add, but it's more of something that I was not fed up with yet.