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    Trope reacted to WampaRat in The Thomas Newman Thread   
    Brand New(man) interview. Nice hour long interview where he plays the piano occasionally. Love this man’s achingly beautiful work. Somebody please give him an Oscar? Lol
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    Trope reacted to Jay in Daniel Pemberton's ENOLA HOLMES (2020) + ENOLA HOLMES 2 (2022)   
    Wow the new poster is absolutely terrible
     

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    Trope reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Well, if you just look at the numbers, the specialty labels have released scores to literally multiple thousands of films, and the amount of releases that had a technical issue that was addressed via a repressing is probably something like 20-30 titles total over the past 30 years.  So it's very rare and for the most part nothing you ever need to worry about.
     
    Additionally, if you don't physically play your discs to listen to them - instead playing rips of those discs as files - then there's really nothing morally wrong with keeping your first-pressing editions and listening to the fixed version that you downloaded from the internet instead of going through the hassle, expense, and impact on the environment of getting a fixed piece of plastic shipped out to you across continents.
     
    To argue for the other side, any problems with initial pressings are discovered by the community pretty quickly, so if you make a policy for yourself to wait and see before purchasing, you aren't doing too much of a disservice to yourself other than delaying your receipt of the physical item -- except the cases where the initial print run sells out, so you can't even order it once you know its safe until they get more in stock.  But other than that, it's pretty safe to wait
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    Trope got a reaction from rough cut in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Oh boy, reading through this thread took me on a rollercoaster of emotions: anticipation, excitement, anxiety, disappointment, horror, and finally relief. Reading about the issues for CD2 from the initial pressings had me really disappointed in recently purchasing the item in the latest sale (will take a few weeks to ship). But discovering that these issues have been fixed in later pressings has got me re-hyped to listen to this score. I have so little experience with it, both in film and on OST, that I'm intentionally avoiding listening to it on Spotify just so I can fully "experience" it when the CD arrives. 
     
    This whole situation, however, has made be reconsider whether I should continue making day 1 purchases for new releases from the specialty labels. I have only been properly collecting these physical expansions/remasters for under 2 years, and it sucks to think that if I had been purchasing some of my favourite scores (i.e. HP1-3 boxset or Land Before Time) way back when when they were first released, I would have had to go through the whole process of getting them replaced - living far away from the US, it takes no short amount of time (currently between 4-6 weeks). Or, even worse for this release, having to re-purchase it if you want it in its highest quality form.
     
    I do feel very fortunate to have just stumbled across this specific internet forum (JWFan) where other people are so meticulous and passionate about music and these releases, and their respective merits/issues are open for discussion. I feel like I've learnt so much about this and many other releases on these forums than I would have had I just read the liner notes included in the CD, especially going back through older threads I missed (such as E.T. or Close Encounters, which I recently picked up). Thanks to everyone who offers such valuable insights, I really appreciate it!
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    Trope got a reaction from Chewy in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Oh boy, reading through this thread took me on a rollercoaster of emotions: anticipation, excitement, anxiety, disappointment, horror, and finally relief. Reading about the issues for CD2 from the initial pressings had me really disappointed in recently purchasing the item in the latest sale (will take a few weeks to ship). But discovering that these issues have been fixed in later pressings has got me re-hyped to listen to this score. I have so little experience with it, both in film and on OST, that I'm intentionally avoiding listening to it on Spotify just so I can fully "experience" it when the CD arrives. 
     
    This whole situation, however, has made be reconsider whether I should continue making day 1 purchases for new releases from the specialty labels. I have only been properly collecting these physical expansions/remasters for under 2 years, and it sucks to think that if I had been purchasing some of my favourite scores (i.e. HP1-3 boxset or Land Before Time) way back when when they were first released, I would have had to go through the whole process of getting them replaced - living far away from the US, it takes no short amount of time (currently between 4-6 weeks). Or, even worse for this release, having to re-purchase it if you want it in its highest quality form.
     
    I do feel very fortunate to have just stumbled across this specific internet forum (JWFan) where other people are so meticulous and passionate about music and these releases, and their respective merits/issues are open for discussion. I feel like I've learnt so much about this and many other releases on these forums than I would have had I just read the liner notes included in the CD, especially going back through older threads I missed (such as E.T. or Close Encounters, which I recently picked up). Thanks to everyone who offers such valuable insights, I really appreciate it!
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    Trope got a reaction from crumbs in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Oh boy, reading through this thread took me on a rollercoaster of emotions: anticipation, excitement, anxiety, disappointment, horror, and finally relief. Reading about the issues for CD2 from the initial pressings had me really disappointed in recently purchasing the item in the latest sale (will take a few weeks to ship). But discovering that these issues have been fixed in later pressings has got me re-hyped to listen to this score. I have so little experience with it, both in film and on OST, that I'm intentionally avoiding listening to it on Spotify just so I can fully "experience" it when the CD arrives. 
     
    This whole situation, however, has made be reconsider whether I should continue making day 1 purchases for new releases from the specialty labels. I have only been properly collecting these physical expansions/remasters for under 2 years, and it sucks to think that if I had been purchasing some of my favourite scores (i.e. HP1-3 boxset or Land Before Time) way back when when they were first released, I would have had to go through the whole process of getting them replaced - living far away from the US, it takes no short amount of time (currently between 4-6 weeks). Or, even worse for this release, having to re-purchase it if you want it in its highest quality form.
     
    I do feel very fortunate to have just stumbled across this specific internet forum (JWFan) where other people are so meticulous and passionate about music and these releases, and their respective merits/issues are open for discussion. I feel like I've learnt so much about this and many other releases on these forums than I would have had I just read the liner notes included in the CD, especially going back through older threads I missed (such as E.T. or Close Encounters, which I recently picked up). Thanks to everyone who offers such valuable insights, I really appreciate it!
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    Trope got a reaction from Taikomochi in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Oh boy, reading through this thread took me on a rollercoaster of emotions: anticipation, excitement, anxiety, disappointment, horror, and finally relief. Reading about the issues for CD2 from the initial pressings had me really disappointed in recently purchasing the item in the latest sale (will take a few weeks to ship). But discovering that these issues have been fixed in later pressings has got me re-hyped to listen to this score. I have so little experience with it, both in film and on OST, that I'm intentionally avoiding listening to it on Spotify just so I can fully "experience" it when the CD arrives. 
     
    This whole situation, however, has made be reconsider whether I should continue making day 1 purchases for new releases from the specialty labels. I have only been properly collecting these physical expansions/remasters for under 2 years, and it sucks to think that if I had been purchasing some of my favourite scores (i.e. HP1-3 boxset or Land Before Time) way back when when they were first released, I would have had to go through the whole process of getting them replaced - living far away from the US, it takes no short amount of time (currently between 4-6 weeks). Or, even worse for this release, having to re-purchase it if you want it in its highest quality form.
     
    I do feel very fortunate to have just stumbled across this specific internet forum (JWFan) where other people are so meticulous and passionate about music and these releases, and their respective merits/issues are open for discussion. I feel like I've learnt so much about this and many other releases on these forums than I would have had I just read the liner notes included in the CD, especially going back through older threads I missed (such as E.T. or Close Encounters, which I recently picked up). Thanks to everyone who offers such valuable insights, I really appreciate it!
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    Trope got a reaction from Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Oh boy, reading through this thread took me on a rollercoaster of emotions: anticipation, excitement, anxiety, disappointment, horror, and finally relief. Reading about the issues for CD2 from the initial pressings had me really disappointed in recently purchasing the item in the latest sale (will take a few weeks to ship). But discovering that these issues have been fixed in later pressings has got me re-hyped to listen to this score. I have so little experience with it, both in film and on OST, that I'm intentionally avoiding listening to it on Spotify just so I can fully "experience" it when the CD arrives. 
     
    This whole situation, however, has made be reconsider whether I should continue making day 1 purchases for new releases from the specialty labels. I have only been properly collecting these physical expansions/remasters for under 2 years, and it sucks to think that if I had been purchasing some of my favourite scores (i.e. HP1-3 boxset or Land Before Time) way back when when they were first released, I would have had to go through the whole process of getting them replaced - living far away from the US, it takes no short amount of time (currently between 4-6 weeks). Or, even worse for this release, having to re-purchase it if you want it in its highest quality form.
     
    I do feel very fortunate to have just stumbled across this specific internet forum (JWFan) where other people are so meticulous and passionate about music and these releases, and their respective merits/issues are open for discussion. I feel like I've learnt so much about this and many other releases on these forums than I would have had I just read the liner notes included in the CD, especially going back through older threads I missed (such as E.T. or Close Encounters, which I recently picked up). Thanks to everyone who offers such valuable insights, I really appreciate it!
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    Trope reacted to Disco Stu in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    I'm sorry but I've decided that this release is not up to standard.  A needless compromise.  The right way to do it would have been a C&C presentation on disc 1, remastered OST + alternates and source music on disc 2 and 3.  Schindler is worth 3 discs if that's what's needed.  Or at least something like that.  It should have been the definitive "everything you could need to experience Schindler" release.  If Williams would not allow this it shouldn't have been done at all.  The OST sounded fine and was still widely available.
     
    I don't want to seem ungrateful, I'm happy to have the film versions and alternates officially released, but I just disagree with the decisions made.
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    Trope reacted to crumbs in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    I usually trust my ears over spectograms when it comes to audio quality, but a cursory glance at the spectograms for this score are interesting. Firstly, just to establish that the LLL is pretty much identical to the existing OST:
     
    OST (MP3 compressed):

     
    LLL Disc 1:

     
    As an aside, it's interesting how much more information is present in all 4 takes of the recording session version of this cue. A result of the mastering done in 1993?

     
    So obviously this line at 16hz appears disconcerting, but I believe this is just the ambient noise from the recording venue (please correct me if I'm wrong). This appears consistently throughout the soundtrack to varying degrees on all tracks bar OYF’N Pripetshok, Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav and Remembrances. Without checking, I'm guessing those cues were recorded elsewhere, hence not having the 16hz line. Point is, that's been there since 1993.
     
    I don't think a scan of the analogue masters would change it because it's probably baked into the recording itself. It would appear that all 3 sources originated from the same digital master though.
     
    Where things get concerning are on disc 2. The comments regarding I Could Have Done More (Film Version) are not unfounded. This is the OST track of Williams' original cue:

     
    And this is the LLL film version:

     
    Now, it doesn't take an audio engineer to see that something is clearly wrong here. It's even more alarming when you compare it to the recording sessions version of the same cue, which are dripping with orchestral detail and sharpness:

     
    This would explain why the first half of the track on disc 2 sounds so compressed; a huge amount of audio information has been clipped off. Fortunately, the insert itself is unaffected, so theoretically one could edit a corrected version themselves by combining the two tracks, if they so desired. Obviously doesn't explain how this happened in the first place -- perhaps some liberal use of noise reduction that accidentally got applied to the (already mastered) OST material?
     
    Another weird anomaly is Reflections having all frequencies clipped above 16hz, similar to those clipped OST segments on the Azkaban set:

     
    Reflections, recording sessions:

     
    The Perlman Family seems to have a similar issue, but it's not too dissimilar from the sessions version, so likely just a result of the source material:

     
    FWIW, Schindler's Workforce (Film Version), Theme For Recorder and Remembrances (Alternate) all have flawless spectograms, brimming with detail. I'm particularly impressed by Schindler's Workforce (Film Version) which is thoroughly detailed, especially for the long stretches of quieter material (which are lacking in atmospheric/room detail in tracks like The Perlman Family, above):

     
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    Trope reacted to TolkienSS in John Powell - Don’t Worry Darling (2022)   
    This is the movie made by the idiot who said one character was based on Jordan Peterson, who she called pseudo-intellectual hero to incels, right?
    Yeah, fuck her and her movie.
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    Trope reacted to Tydirium in The Super Mario Bros. Movie (2023) - film and score (Brian Tyler)   
    Brian Tyler? Why must we always get a typical American Hollywood composer/score for this sort of thing? Why not hire a Japanese composer (the Star Wars Visions ones come to mind)? Why not grab one of the guys who did the Galaxy games, or 3D World, or Odyssey? For example, Mahito Yokota writes incredible themes; even if he is not comfortable working with film, then why not let him write the themes and let a Japanese film composer (or another composer who actually will respect the material) adapt them for the film? 
     
    I've been thinking for months that we're probably going to end up with a pretty standard modern score that has a small handful of Mario theme references (probably only the classic, most recognizable ones, so the normies react), with probably some cringey pop song over the credits. Looking more and more likely that that will be the case.
     
    To think that we could have had a movie that actually looked like Mario and sounded like Mario; instead (as I've been predicting ever since this movie was announced), they use familiar visuals to lure people in, but then the audio is totally different. I mean if you think about it, why should the characters look anything like how they look in the games, if they're not going to sound like them?
     
    Speaking of which, why is it that when it comes to these sorts of films, people generally expect the visuals to mostly line up with what has been established (just look at how people reacted to Sonic, when things didn't line up), but for audio, virtually anything is fair game and gets a free pass? Is it somehow unreasonable to expect/hope that the audio should line up with what has been established?
     
    Nobody would have batted an eye if the games' actors were set to reprise their roles here, and nobody would have batted an eye if a classic Mario composer were set to provide the score. Just seems like a major missed opportunity, all-around.
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    Trope reacted to Bespin in The Official Varese Sarabande Thread   
    That's me waiting for a Star Wars expansion boxset.
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    Trope reacted to Sandor in The Fabelmans - score mentions in film reviews   
    I think there is not a singular final statement. Williams probably receives more acclaim now, than at any other point in his career. The concerts in Vienna, Berlin and Milan, his collaboration with Anne-Sophie Mutter and the fact that he's still scoring films at 90 (!) years of age, including an Indiana Jones film, are such wonderful moments to witness.
     
    I think Williams 'final statement' is that during the last phase of his career, he was regarded as 'a great composer', not just a 'film music composer' and his music and presence was heralded in the epicentres of classical music. 
     

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    Trope reacted to Omen II in STAR WARS - Live To Projection Concerts   
    This was the thirteenth different John Williams-scored film I have seen live in concert (all of them at the Royal Albert Hall) and I must say that it was a thrill to hear the music 'properly' without the muddy sound of the soundtrack releases to date.  That it was performed by the London Symphony Orchestra (led on the Sunday evening performance by Carmine Lauri) made it extra special.  I heard and saw details in the orchestration which I had not noticed previously, which is one of the tremendous benefits of the live in concert format.
     
    I mentioned double bass player Patrick Laurence earlier in this thread as probably having played on the original soundtrack, so it was good to see him on stage with the rest of the double bass section.
     


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    Trope reacted to WampaRat in Star Wars: Andor (2022) - released episode spoilers allowed   
    I’m not offended by Brittell’s approach (In fact I don’t even notice it 😆) But I listened to this the other day. A Williams-esque approach in this mode would be so cool for this show. This is grade-A tension scoring.
     
     
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    Trope got a reaction from Brando in E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial - 40th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records   
    I recently snagged this 40th Anniversary Edition and just watched the movie again last night (first time in over a decade). It is simply amazing how the music elevates every single scene. I particularly loved the quieter moments in Elliott's house and how Williams presents his themes in a very intimate, restrained manner, especially the first few statements of the "friendship" theme (not sure what it is called officially, but it's the "E.T. and Me" theme on the original album).
     
    And, of course, the whole finale is just incredible - Those rising strings at 2:47 in "The Departure" are just *chef's kiss*, as is the big Horner-sounding chord at 4:33, coinciding with E.T.'s "I'll be right here." Chills! And ending on a touch of optimism with the final brass fanfare is delicious icing on top. Now I'm going to have to listen to the CD all over again!
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    Trope got a reaction from Jay in E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial - 40th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records   
    I recently snagged this 40th Anniversary Edition and just watched the movie again last night (first time in over a decade). It is simply amazing how the music elevates every single scene. I particularly loved the quieter moments in Elliott's house and how Williams presents his themes in a very intimate, restrained manner, especially the first few statements of the "friendship" theme (not sure what it is called officially, but it's the "E.T. and Me" theme on the original album).
     
    And, of course, the whole finale is just incredible - Those rising strings at 2:47 in "The Departure" are just *chef's kiss*, as is the big Horner-sounding chord at 4:33, coinciding with E.T.'s "I'll be right here." Chills! And ending on a touch of optimism with the final brass fanfare is delicious icing on top. Now I'm going to have to listen to the CD all over again!
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    Trope got a reaction from GlastoEls in E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial - 40th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records   
    I recently snagged this 40th Anniversary Edition and just watched the movie again last night (first time in over a decade). It is simply amazing how the music elevates every single scene. I particularly loved the quieter moments in Elliott's house and how Williams presents his themes in a very intimate, restrained manner, especially the first few statements of the "friendship" theme (not sure what it is called officially, but it's the "E.T. and Me" theme on the original album).
     
    And, of course, the whole finale is just incredible - Those rising strings at 2:47 in "The Departure" are just *chef's kiss*, as is the big Horner-sounding chord at 4:33, coinciding with E.T.'s "I'll be right here." Chills! And ending on a touch of optimism with the final brass fanfare is delicious icing on top. Now I'm going to have to listen to the CD all over again!
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    Trope got a reaction from Holko in E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial - 40th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records   
    I recently snagged this 40th Anniversary Edition and just watched the movie again last night (first time in over a decade). It is simply amazing how the music elevates every single scene. I particularly loved the quieter moments in Elliott's house and how Williams presents his themes in a very intimate, restrained manner, especially the first few statements of the "friendship" theme (not sure what it is called officially, but it's the "E.T. and Me" theme on the original album).
     
    And, of course, the whole finale is just incredible - Those rising strings at 2:47 in "The Departure" are just *chef's kiss*, as is the big Horner-sounding chord at 4:33, coinciding with E.T.'s "I'll be right here." Chills! And ending on a touch of optimism with the final brass fanfare is delicious icing on top. Now I'm going to have to listen to the CD all over again!
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    Trope reacted to Marc in THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)   
    Fun stuff 
     
     
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    Trope reacted to BB-8 in Alan Rickman Thought Williams’ Potter Score Was “Hideous”   
    "SNAPE'S THEME" - performed by the Berlin Philharmonic
     
     
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    Trope reacted to WampaRat in The Themes of Howard Shore's The Hobbit   
    Listening to the musical commentary that Doug Adams did with theonering.net, it blew my mind when he said the opening melody that kicks off “My Dear Frodo” from Unexpected Journey was an iteration of the Sons of Durin theme. I always loved that tune and thought it had just fallen by the wayside with other ideas from Unexpected Journey. Glad to find it survived in some form in the other two scores. Shame it didn’t pop up one last time in its first guise to bookend the trilogy in the last film.
     
    (0:00-0:37)
    (3:07-4:00)
     
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    Trope reacted to Holko in Restored Isolated Score: Willow   
    Since I'm new to this score, I won't attempt a track by track for this one either. This definitely helped raise my appreciation of it even more - for example, noticing all the satisfying ways Horner scores crossfades!
    I went a bit mad with breaking it down into videos - decided to keep Sled Ride to the credits as one piece with no footage edits or separation, to show just how densely scored the last hour is.
     


    1m1 Elora Danan
     
     


    2m5 Death Dogs
    3m1 Willow's Farewell - The second half of the cue was edited down and the ending tracked over.
    3m2 Bavmorda's Castle
    3m3 Willow's Journey Begins
    4m2 Airk's Army - First half tracked over, missing out for example on the great bit of the cold military music softening into a Willow theme as Airk recognises Madmartigan.
     
     


    4m3 The Enchanted Forest - I had to shorten the footage with the brownie flying the bird.
    4m? Dust of Broken Hearts
    5m2 Madmartigan's Escape
     
     


    6m? Magic Wand
    6m3 The Island
    6m? Fin Raziel
    7m0 Willow Captured
    7m1 Arrival At Snow Camp
     
     


    7m2-3/8m1 The Sled Ride - There's a small microedit near the end.
    8m2 Canyon of Mazes - The travel montage was shortened a bit in the film.
    9m1 Tir Asleen Pt.1
    9m2 Tir Asleen Pt.2 - The two cues are joined a bit more tightly in the film than on the album. There's a slight microedit around the dragon's death that I decided to bridge rather than leave black.
    10m1 Bavmorda's Spell is Cast - Had to shorten a shot of Willow struggling to cast the spell.
    11m1/1 Battle of Nockmar - When Sorsha fights the guards, the footage is way too much for the music, I chose to separate the music into two there instead of somehow editing the scene down. I had to remove some shots before the sorceress duel begins, and also a reaction shot from Fin Raziel which cut the shot of Bavmorda pretending to be dead in half.
    12m1/2 Death of Bavmorda - There's a microedit around Bavmorda struggling with the acorn. Bavmorda's death and its immediate aftermath is a mess, had to remove many shots, especially reactions mostly from Sorsha. Is it possible the album master edits out a portion here?
    12m3/4 Willow - End Titles - The film shortens The Nelwyns' reprise heavily.
     
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    Trope reacted to Andy in Alan Rickman Thought Williams’ Potter Score Was “Hideous”   
    @Holko is right.  Subtractive spotting is the way to go.  Then dial out what is not needed, and release that to the rabid fans.  I think of so many scenes from Empire where the absence improves the feel of the storytelling... Han's Hoth search, the Mynock jump scare, the start of the Bespin Duel.  All great music, but the film plays better as it is without.
     
    And then you have Raiders, which is masterfully spotted and lean.  Can't think of much that was dialed out, just a few edits.
     
    About the only wall to wall spotting success for me is Temple of Doom.  What could've been dialed out there?
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