Tallguy

Yes. Hellraiser II might be better. Or at least should be heard as a companion piece.

I know most people seem to prefer it and it IS "bigger" and more "in your face"... but I actually like the original Hellraiser more, personally.
 
Good as his horror scores usually are, Chris Young is actually an amazing drama composer, with Creation, Judicial Consent, and Something the Lord Made being among my very favorite scores of his. If Spiderman 3 had been a success, maybe he would have gotten more superhero gigs. And if Creation had been a success, maybe he would have gotten more Oscar-baity stuff. But I'm just glad he's still working and producing fine music.
 
Yavar

I forgot that I was working in a call center when the OJ verdict came down. Directory assistance. Busy place. It went silent for about ten minutes before the verdict. And the people that did call were in a hurry.
 
Wild.

Young is white hot right now.  John Powell is so last week!
 
I have no Christopher Young scores, but Hellraiser is on the way. 
 
Is this one good?

I think some forums do have moderators that don't like bumping old threads for any reason, but I've always thought it made sense to continue to use existing threads for new discussions of the same topic.
 
The only thing I haven't liked if if some old thread is bumped for a similar but not exactly the same topic that would just make more sense to be a brand new thread, or when its bumped only to make a really bad, not funny to almost anyone joke.

Reported Jay for necroing.

Is a "Star Trek origin story" when they invented replicators and created the land of plenty? 
 
Or maybe it's the Earth vs Romulans war. 
 
Or the launch of the Federation? 
 
All are terrible ideas... don't explain the backstory. 
 
Of all the things Star Trek doesn't need, it's an origin story. If this turns out to be an amazing film, I'll happily eat my hat, but it sounds like the idea absolutely no-one was hoping to see.  
 
Enterprise effectively worked as a prequel (as opposed to "origin") but I'd really like to know what the thinking is, in Hollywood terms.  

STID: Star Trek Into Darkness. Popular enough to get a sequel. Beyond was the (good) movie that tanked Star Trek.

Wouldn't this just be a 'prequel', and not a 'prequel to the Kelvin films' given it's supposed to take place decades before? Therefore, it'd be a prequel to all Star Trek series bar Enterprise.

It very much is. I binged watched it in the last week it was on paramount but glad it’s found a new home.  

I never understood why he didn't find the fame that some of his SCTV cast mates did.

BTW: Prodigy is really good. Now on Netflix.

I'm not saying they won't do something REALLY stupid, but anything from Kirk's birth onward could be in the Kelvin timeline.
 
What cracks me up is the emphasis on "ORIGIN STORY". I thought '09 was a freaking origin story?
 
Of course the other issue going back to '09 is "How did they all meet?" They're in Space Navy! Most of them met when they got the same assignment! Even in SNW people are meeting onesie twosie as you would expect.
 
I would love to see Pine as Kirk again. (I just realized that he's only two years older than SNW's Paul Wesley. And both of them are older than Shatner was in TOS.) But I'd also love to see the Kelvin cast in a really GREAT Star Trek movie. I'm not holding my breath.
 
I have no doubt a new Star Trek movie will happen someday. But until they have people in front of cameras? I'm not believing any of it.

Bravo @Yavar Moradi!
 
 
That's what I've been saying for over FORTY YEARS!
 
 
Hey, he brought it back to Star Wars at the end.
 

I leave you people alone for a little bit, and y'all go off and talk about Star Trek!

Tell us how you really feel Yavar.
 

You mean the tacked-on-last-minute-without-the-writer/director's-involvement-or-approval ending? So the actual script written by Nicholas Meyer conceived the Genesis device with a "plot relevance" that didn't exist until he was no longer on the project? You are making no sense, and your issues are still clearly with Star Trek III.
 
 
Ok, thanks for explaining what you meant. I mean, okay... how do you feel about how the borg queen is outsmarted(?) at the end of your beloved Star Trek: First Contact then? 
 
But really I don't think this is even a dumb concept at all: Khan left Earth in the year 1996. What he thinks of as battleships operate on a two dimensional plane of the ocean's surface. The point is simply that he doesn't have experience with true three-dimensional space battleship combat, even if the concept might click for him if he thinks about it for a while. In a way I think it feels like a bit of an in-joke dig at the Star Trek franchise itself, which much of the time just like Khan *does* treat spaceship combat as two-dimensional! (The computer game Starfleet Command is the ultimate expression of this phenomenon which was present throughout TOS and TNG in particular.) Like I wonder if Nicholas Meyer watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture, saw the three Klingon cruisers in formation firing on V'Ger as if they all had to be operating in the same plane, and then cooked up that little bit of script.
 
I'm anticipating that you'll come at me with, "but in 1996 Khan would have been familiar with submarines and airplanes, which operate more three-dimensionally". But you know what? Even though the battle in the Mutara Nebula sequence was inspired by submarine movies, it's not even true that space combat would behave the same way, because of gravity. There is still an "up" and a "down" when it comes to air and underwater combat, and sure you might change your elevation but you're still not going to behave fully three-dimensionally like you would in space, where even with your artificial gravity, it's tied only to your floorboards or whatever, and not your vessel's surrounding environment.
 
But the *smart* idea at the core of what Meyer wrote with that "two-dimensional thinking" line is that the villain might be smarter than Kirk, but he is less experienced with the kind of starship combat maneuvers that Kirk knows well. That is an interesting idea, and a good way to write a story with a menacing and intelligent villain that can still be defeated in a way that makes sense.
 
 
"They"? Again, are you really so unaware of how last minute an addition to the film that was, by Paramount brass? You're dismissing Nicholas Meyer's work (which is why I originally brought up Star Trek II in the context of this thread -- a Star Trek film done by a non-Trek fan) as "comic book nonsense"... when he vehemently opposed that last minute modification which was NOWHERE in the script he wrote (or shot). And you're acting like that was the POINT of the movie that it was building to... when that couldn't be further from the truth!
 
 
Hard disagree, to say the least. There are lots of things about it which make it the worst of the original six films, no question. The shoddy effects and most of all, the treatment of the supporting cast... after how well Nimoy treated them in his two films, that honestly really pisses me off. The script needed another pass or two. But at its core, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier has the absolute BEST depiction of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy friendship in all of the original six movies. And it has more TREK feeling/essence in what it's about (even if often executed sloppily) than any of the other movies with the possible exception of TMP:
 
Oh, and for my money it has the best score of the entire franchise.
 
I will watch it over and over again before I ever feel like EVER rewatching the overrated Star Trek: First Contact, which frankly feels like it betrays the familiar TNG characters in a way similar to how The Final Frontier treats Uhura/Scotty/Chekov/Sulu.
 
 
Don't understand what point you were trying to make with the Moby Dick quote...Picard's Borg trauma is a "petty personal struggle"? What the First Contact writers did with Picard was criminal, and didn't in any way grow naturally out of his arc and character development on the series itself. You're really going to try and square FIRST CONTACT Picard with the Picard that refused to send Hugh back to the Collective with a virus?? First Contact is the epitome of dumb action movie made for dumb normies who "don't really like Star Trek, but this one is cool"...which is why it was successful, I guess. Even though it's far from perfect, I think I'll stick with The Voyage Home for the kind of idealism you're talking about here. First Contact honestly makes me angry every time I try and give it another chance. I'd rather rewatch Generations or even Insurrection. Not Nemesis though... somehow they found a way to betray all the characters and make an even more dour I-don't-understand-Star-Trek film than First Contact, with that one.
 
 
 Are you serious right now? StarFLEET *is* and always WAS a military organization! Now, yes the conceit is that it's somehow a peaceful one (just like the United States military supposedly is, lol...)
 
But dude, get real. The ship has phasers and photon torpedoes. Since the 60s TV series!

 
All of the characters on the ship wear uniforms, have ranks, and follow orders/answer to superiors in a military hierarchy:

 
Yeah, there are scientists on the ship too... military scientists, with ranks fitting into a military hierarchy! They are explorers, but they are explorers that are part of a MILITARY ORGANIZATION. They go on away missions to "new worlds and new civilizations"... ARMED WITH GUNS. Even in the "more cerebral" original pilot episode "The Cage" (before "Where No Man Has Gone Before" went in an even more action-oriented direction!) Good grief, man:

 
So yeah, when I see THIS, I don't think Nicholas Meyer messed up, as you seem to; I think he did his homework as a "non-fan":

 
As for your "straight up naval uniforms"... did the navy somehow start wearing deep maroon and I missed it? These uniforms look far more "naval" to me:

 
 
By using arguments like, "the Genesis device only existed for the plot purpose of resurrecting Spock at the end in comic book fashion", apparently completely oblivious to the fact that the ending wasn't a part of the film Meyer wrote, shot, and edited, and was only added last minute without his involvement and over his vehement objections. Yeah... it appears to me that non-fan Meyer did his Star Trek homework far better than you. And to finally bring this back sort-of-on-topic... so did Tony Gilroy do his Star Wars homework, before going into his first role as sole creator/showrunner, with ANDOR.
 
Yavar

I never understood why he didn't find the fame that some of his SCTV cast mates did.