GoodMusician 56 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 It doesn't take voodoo to know that they're gonna do something special lol...I can only hope that they put Qui-Gon in at the end of ROTJ :-pBut still no news score wise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Who in the world had even the faintest doubt that such a release will happen next year? I seriously doubt though that this gargantuan set will feature restored theatrical versions. Lucas will just shove even more stuff into the already existing Special Editions, and eventually Episodes I-III.I don't even have to think twice about it, really.Thank god that Lucas at least recalls the September- DVDs on December 31st, so that this disgrace doesn't exist in Star Wars' 30th anniversary year anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Well, I hate it, but I will probably be buying these. But they'd better have:Deleted scenes for all the films (which they supposedly will)Return of the Ewok (complete)The Making of Star Wars (1977)From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga (1985)From Star Wars to Star Wars: The Story of Industrial Light & Magic (1999)And all those other behind-the-scenes, making-of bits that haven't been collected on other DVDs yet.Oh, and please, release all the Droids and Ewoks cartoons already! 3 seasons of animation. How hard can that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 From thedigitalbits.there will be LOTS of new, never-before-seen special features - all the good stuff that was held back by Lucasfilm from the original Trilogy DVD release a few years ago. Think deleted scenes and more.Figures.- Marc, who was quite puzzled when there weren't any deleted scenes on the 2004 set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Because the 2004 set was pratically a rushed job since it was in 'high demand'. Lucas wanted to wait until after Episode III's release to release the OT on DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 More specifically, it was released before Episode III so they could start the hype train for RotS with it. Why do you think they put a behind-the-scenes preview on it? Hype, baby, hype! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 If the theatrical versions are on that set, I'm 99% certain they won't have new transfers. Why bother? Enough people will buy whatever crap Lucas releases, I doubt he'll put much effort into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Just wait Lucas will replace TESB and ROTJ Yoda with a CGI model.TPM one is a no brainer because they have a scene from TPM on the ROTS bonus material that features a CGI Yoda replacing the puppet.The cash machine continues.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I could have sworn on the Episode II feturette, they say they replaced Yoda in Episode I to proove to George they could/should do it for Episode II and III... it wasn't intended for a theatrical release but as a way to proove that the technology is evolved enough...But I guess it seems they're gonna release it with him as a CG creture... although,I do remember in Episode I they say that because they had Ahmed Best in a lot of the footage...and only had to replace his head and hears and such... they got better, more realistic performances ... not to mention a good lighting reference... I'd imagine doing so with the YOda puppet would be a similar thing...It cut down on the time it took, they said, by like 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The guys from ILM said they would never mess with Yoda from the OT since it's perfect the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The guys from ILM said they would never mess with Yoda from the OT since it's perfect the way it is.Wasn't that just one guy saying he wouldn't do that? The Miracle (Elmer Bernstein) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I could have sworn on the Episode II feturette, they say they replaced Yoda in Episode INo they tested it with ESB Yoda. I think in some doccumentary an early version of the CGI yoda can be seen in dagobah with luke.I hope at least EP I yoda is replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I hope no changes are made. These films should be shown how they were originally made, the so-called "mistakes" are just as much a part of the film as anything else. If Lucas wants these films to be perfect, he might as well just give us blank DVDs - nothing's perfect, there'll always be "improvements" to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I could have sworn they showed scenes from EPisode I with Yoda CG replaced oh well... eaither way they had said it was a test... not something that would be a release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 It's in one of the docs on the Episode III DVD, and I don't think they were talking about the changes at that time, so I guess it's for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The EP I Yoda is from a doc from EP III and it was the test for the new facial features and other new things of Yoda for ROTS, i think.Lucas should release a original vision in anamorphic (using the cleaned version made for the SEs pre-CGI adding), and his CGIed vision.You can't ask more restoring than that for the old versions since the guy doesnt believe in them anymore, and rather spend his money improving the new versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 At that time for the ROTS document the CG Yoda was a test yes but as we know now it's been offically confirmed that Yoda is getting the CG replacement for TPM. Which I for one am glad for...that puppet always made me cringe every time I saw it. I hope to that TPM gets a new digital transfer (which I think it will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I liked the puppet...And I'm not so sure I would tout the "officially confirmed" yet... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The puppet looked more like TESB Yoda then the CGI Yoda ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 There are some shots of the Yoda CGI, specially in ROTS where he looks exactly like ESB and/or JEDI. and since he is not fighting he moves as the old puppet.TPM Yoda is not alike yoda except when seen from the sides. Fornt shots look like another alien from the same species. And as a puppet it's so advanced, that the ESB one is nothing in compared to it.So where is the similarity?As far as i can tell, only Frank Oz's voice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I thought the digital Yoda from Revenge of the Sith was actually a great improvement over the one in Attack of the Clones. There are some shots of the Yoda CGI, specially in ROTS where he looks exactly like ESB and/or JEDI. and since he is not fighting he moves as the old puppet.TPM Yoda is not alike yoda except when seen from the sides. Fornt shots look like another alien from the same species. And as a puppet it's so advanced, that the ESB one is nothing in compared to it.So where is the similarity?As far as i can tell, only Frank Oz's voice...Are you saying that the puppet-work in The Phantom Menace was better than in The Empire Strikes Back? Frank Oz's work in The Empire Strikes back will never be surpasses. Yoda's performance in that film is absolutely superb. Nothing in any of the other movies compares.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 There are some shots of the Yoda CGI, specially in ROTS where he looks exactly like ESB and/or JEDI. and since he is not fighting he moves as the old puppet.TPM Yoda is not alike yoda except when seen from the sides. Fornt shots look like another alien from the same species. And as a puppet it's so advanced, that the ESB one is nothing in compared to it.So where is the similarity?As far as i can tell, only Frank Oz's voice...Are you saying that the puppet-work in The Phantom Menace was better than in The Empire Strikes Back? Frank Oz's work in The Empire Strikes back will never be surpasses. Yoda's performance in that film is absolutely superb. Nothing in any of the other movies compares.TedNo, im saying that the puppet, as a robot, is more advanced in TPM.TPM didnt had much Oz's performance for that matter since i think he did not move the puppet with his hands as the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Well the puppet's design in TPM was rubbish, and that can't have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 As far as I'm concerned, CG Yoda will never surpass puppet Yoda no matter how real looking or advanced it is. Yoda in ESB was nothing short of amazing.Rabbit--who liked the puppet from TPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 From thedigitalbits.there will be LOTS of new, never-before-seen special features - all the good stuff that was held back by Lucasfilm from the original Trilogy DVD release a few years ago. Think deleted scenes and more.Figures.- Marc, who was quite puzzled when there weren't any deleted scenes on the 2004 set.That is what Netflix is for. Why buy the same movies over and over again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Well, on the Yoda matter, some screenshots:The only shot of Yoda from TPM that resembles the old puppet:ROTS Yoda's that resemble the old puppet vey well:Compare the last one with this ROTJ Yoda pic:And now, any of those look similar to this?:I rather have this:Click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Indeed Luke, I'd definitely take a CG Yoda for TPM any day over that ugly puppet. That puppet for Yoda in TPM makes Yoda look like he's on crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 the CG yoda looks like a cg.piss poor as usual.I wonder who will be stupid enough to waste money on this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Fanboy twats.TPM takes playes some thirtyfive years before TESB, so it's only natural that Yoda would look different, since he hasn't yet spend many years in some damn swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 The problem with the TPM puppet is not the look of Yoda perse (although he DOES look weird). The problem is that it simply a poorly made puppet! Even Rick Baker commented on the lack of quality of the puppet. I have no problems with Freeborn's puppet in ESB (or ROTJ - although the lightning could have been better). Yet the puppet from TPM is, well, awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 67 Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 To get off Yoda for a short time, the official site has put up a set of 122 images showing all the changes. I never knew the film was tinkered with to the extent that it was. I was aware of the major things, but all the detail work completely escaped my attention until this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Rick Baker was probably jealous he wasn't asked to work on the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 The original Death Star shots look a lot better, IMO: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Why has all the detail vanished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 TESB Yoda = best acted character in the entire 6 movies... He has more life than the entire prequel movies altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 True in TESB you never think of him as a puppet.Hammil's acting helps too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Puppets always have more life than CGI - because they're operated by humans. The Yoda puppet is Frank Oz's hand acting, and Franz Oz's hand has more "life" than a computer will ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Because it's CGI instead of good ole fashioned model work, which by the way won an Oscar if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Because it's CGI instead of good ole fashioned model work, which by the way won an Oscar if I'm not mistaken.Well if the prequels have lost SFX against movies that did old fashioned model work i would concede the truth in that, but since it was for CGI driven movies too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Luke I think you are trying to make a point, but its not coming across.the Prequels never wowed me like Star Wars or the Empires Strikes Back did!TPM deserved the Oscar over the Matrix, but AOTC deserved no awards, and revenge of the shit deserved an award for way too many effects in place of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 The puppet looked more like TESB Yoda then the CGI Yoda ever did.Ah, the irrational bitterness that is your trademark continues. Personally, I found the CG Yoda to be much more convincing than the TPM Yoda, and dare I say it, maybe even the puppet Yoda. I am usually dead set against CGI overtaking real things, but I begrudgingly admit that I don't care either way. We all obviously love the old Yoda, but I don't feel a new CG Yoda would look all that different, considering how realistic ROTS Yoda looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 I found the digital Yoda to be completely unrealistic.It's not irrational bitterness; it's my totally honest opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Well,I think the puppet gollum in The Two Towers was Waaaay better than the crappy CGI one on Return of the King.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Gollum was the best CG character ever created until Davy Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 yeah if you like fake looking characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 The 2004 revision is meant to look better? Fuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Why has all the detail vanished?Becasue in the new version the camera is moving along the X-Wing (for a more dinamic realism) and in the old the camera was still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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