Trent B 337 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Get off the fence and pick a side! Everyone knows you can't be a Williams fan and like LotR too!Ray BarnsburySays who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Rosenthal,on the other hand...Oh yes! Clash of the Titans has one of the grandest and most romantic main title themes of all time! The composer in his liner notes wrote that he was requested to imitate Richard Strauss. Well in my opinion he wrote a theme that Strauss would have been incredibly proud to have penned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Get off the fence and pick a side! Everyone knows you can't be a Williams fan and like LotR too!Ray Barnsbury I too declare my support for both of KM's statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,239 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Wasn't this about Rosenman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Another day, another hijacking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 The only HP score that can take on any single LotR score and win is Prisoner of Azkaban.But even that cannot take on all 3 LotR scores combined. So I respectfully disagree with Brother Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Another day, another hijacking!I prefer to think of it as an evolving discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Get off the fence and pick a side! Everyone knows you can't be a Williams fan and like LotR too!And another stellar example of the blind idiocy that haunts this board sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I think you're taking Ray a bit too seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You may be right, let me rephrase that ...Hedwig's Theme takes any theme in LotR and wipes it's ass with itThe scores to HP 1 and 3 are vastly superior to anything in LotRAnd two other stellar example of the blind idiocy that haunts this board sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Get off the fence and pick a side! Everyone knows you can't be a Williams fan and like LotR too!Ray BarnsburySays who?Get off the fence and pick a side! Everyone knows you can't be a Williams fan and like LotR too!And another stellar example of the blind idiocy that haunts this board sometimes. Your powers of perception are truly shocking! Let me rephrase: "Get off the fence and pick a side! Everyone knows you can't be a Williams fan and like LotR too! "Clearer now, I'm sure.You may be right, let me rephrase that ...Hedwig's Theme takes any theme in LotR and wipes it's ass with itThe scores to HP 1 and 3 are vastly superior to anything in LotRAnd two other stellar example of the blind idiocy that haunts this board sometimes.Hmm, sounds like an example of someone's personal, subjective opinion to me. Couldn't someone just as easily accuse you of "blind idiocy" for liking LotR more than the Potter or Star Wars scores?Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I think that step is well behind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm still trying to figure out how admiring Williams work and regarding it higher than others', no matter honest and well thought out the opinion is, is equal to "blind fanboyism". It's like this place is turning into FSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Absolutely.I don't believe Mark is being blind in this case.He's just...wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 See now, "wrong" I can deal with. Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Even if he's, you know, wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Go find a seeing-eye dog, John "Fanboy" Crichton!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 When it come to epic scores,a lot of non Williams score are better than LotR.For example,Horner's Krull is facinating from start to finish,something I can't say of LotR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Prisoner of Azkaban is the best score in the world. ROTK beats any other Potter score, but not PoA. TT is as good as SS.Fellowship is worse than all the Potter scores except the fourth.I'm still trying to figure out how admiring Williams work and regarding it higher than others', no matter honest and well thought out the opinion is, is equal to "blind fanboyism". It's like this place is turning into FSM.Yes, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I must give Krull a listen one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm still trying to figure out how admiring Williams work and regarding it higher than others', no matter honest and well thought out the opinion is, is equal to "blind fanboyism".It isn't. But for it not being blind fanboyism, you need respect for other works, even if you find them "boring as hell". LotR is a massive achievement, and if you claim it is fact that it's boring, then that is, well, you named it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 the LOTR scores IS a masterpiece.But its bellow any masterpieces from Williams I dislike everything arround Harry potter, except the music.I like the LOTR films and its scores.I'm still with KM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 When it come to epic scores,a lot of non Williams score are better than LotR.For example,Horner's Krull is facinating from start to finish,something I can't say of LotR What's facinating about it? It's a good album, with some of Horner's best work. Now LoTR, that's facinating, whether or not I love it at all times. Always facinating (Aside from 'Shelob's Lair'. Never liked that cue.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Now LoTR, that's facinating, whether or not I love it at all times. Always facinating (Aside from 'Aragog's Lair'. Never liked that cue.)Isnt aragog some kind of HP character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 DAMMIT! Did you have to quote me? Yes, of course. I meant Shelob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 i aim to please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Fanboy fight!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Someone fetch the wet towels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 As has been argued elsewhere, most prominently in this thread's title, Rosenman's LotR is musically superior to Shore's more modest efforts.This comes as no surprise, as Shore's LotR scores really aren't that great, from a purely musical perspective. They are adequate as film scores, but they don't really do so much for their respective films (in as much as they neither make or break their films, although there are moments when I am inclined to think the latter...). As music, it is cliched, simplistic and melodically uninspired, and very, very derivative, and, IMO, quite dull. The orchestrations are awkward at best, and as a musical interpretation of Tolkien's world, it is quite sad, IMO. (And I can't tell you how many orchestra musicians I've heard bitch about the LotR "Symphony",-it is apparently horribly boring and trite).I think these scores tend to split us board members in two camps (very roughly):1. The film score fan, who enjoys the score as it relates to a film, and the experience (and possibly revisitation) of that film2. The symphonic music fan, who enjoys film scores as modern, post-/neo-romantic classical music, and who will tend to be unimpressed by Shore's LotR scores as such.(Both are, I think, quite valid. The latter tends to have many of us come across as "fanboys" to members of the other camp, simply because we will insist, time and again, that Williams always writes better music than his living colleagues, because he is simply a much better composer.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Intelligently put, Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Yet completely inaccurate....I don't think I've ever agreed with a single thing Marcus has ever posted, nor have I found much pleasure in reading his posts, which are mostly poorly done attempts to support his own opinion with so-called statistical data, friend or fellow composers musicians that agree with him (thereby lending credibility to his opinion) and lot's of big words to show us that he supposedly knows what he's talking about.(And I can't tell you how many orchestra musicians I've heard bitch about the LotR "Symphony",-it is apparently horribly boring and trite).Completely irrelevant. Music in general is performed for the benefit of a paying audience, not the musicians that perform it. Their job is only to perform it as well as they can. Wether they like what they are performing is not something that is of any interest.(besides, I'm sure there are still countless of orchestra's who consider film music beneath them, even by someone like Williams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 As has been argued elsewhere, most prominently in this thread's title, Rosenman's LotR is musically superior to Shore's more modest efforts.This comes as no surprise, as Shore's LotR scores really aren't that great, from a purely musical perspective. They are adequate as film scores, but they don't really do so much for their respective films (in as much as they neither make or break their films, although there are moments when I am inclined to think the latter...). As music, it is cliched, simplistic and melodically uninspired, and very, very derivative, and, IMO, quite dull. The orchestrations are awkward at best,What a load of utter, UTTER shite. UTTER UTTER, UTTER UTTER... UTTER... SHITE.Fucking hell that post was shite.Capital letters equal effect.Disagree? UTTER BOLLOCKS. As was proven in that frankly daft post regarding HS's lotr. If you don't get what I just said I don't give a F.Intelligently put, Sir.Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Yet completely inaccurate....I don't think I've ever agreed with a single thing Marcus has ever posted, nor have I found much pleasure in reading his posts, which are mostly poorly done attempts to support his own opinion with so-called statistical data, friend or fellow composers musicians that agree with him (thereby lending credibility to his opinion) and lot's of big words to show us that he supposedly knows what he's talking about.(And I can't tell you how many orchestra musicians I've heard bitch about the LotR "Symphony",-it is apparently horribly boring and trite).Completely irrelevant. Music in general is performed for the benefit of a paying audience, not the musicians that perform it. Their job is only to perform it as well as they can. Wether they like what they are performing is not something that is of any interest.(besides, I'm sure there are still countless of orchestra's who consider film music beneath them, even by someone like Williams) ^_^ You have no idea how much support you're currently getting from my fiancée! She's with me now, and she's completely on your side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 She's a discerning women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Well,I agree with Marcus,who agrees with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 BIG surprise.I for one agree with Great Eye. I doubt people calling Shore's LotR melodically uninspired ever cared to take a closer look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I don't think I've ever agreed with a single thing Marcus has ever posted, nor have I found much pleasure in reading his posts,I like his posts. And I also like Jeshopk's posts. They are the most musically oriented posters here.And good writers . Most importantly both really likes Williams ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 After a while here I've noticed that "musically oriented posters" sometimes talk shit.Often I agree with said shit. Other times I disagree with it.The fact that I talk to hornists and bloody percussionists alike says I should respect the odd Kaboom-Tish, but in all honesty; I like my part-time (often pointless) nature!Sue me! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I dunno, sometimes I think our overlymusically inclinded members are a little stiff and fall into the stereotypical classical snob category with an odd twist.... They unlike other classical snobs, consider Williams as a classical man, and shun every other composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 ^The agreeable trait is something I try to avoid, even when I agree.As Sam Raimi's script once said: "God help me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Go find a seeing-eye dog, John "Fanboy" Crichton!"How can you see without eyeballs?""How can you walk around without a brain? Some things no one can answer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 We just need to have a gang fight and get it over with. This bickering has gotten old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Funnily enough, bickering NEVER gets old.TGE, who begrudgingly admits (not really) that bickering is THE be-all and end-all of all online discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 lol,imagine if we had a JWfan reunion at a Boston Pops concert ,and a fight breaks loose in the audience."CNN reporting.Gang members form a mysterious cult who call themselves JWfans disrupted tonight's concert at the Pops.Apparently the 2 casualities,one refered to as "The Grand Master" and the other as "The Great Eye",insinuated during a performance of Hedwig's Theme that the "gondor theme" was better and all hell broke loose...Police are searching for a suspect who goes by the name of "King Mark"."King Mark" is said to have mastered magical spells of great power and should be approached with extreme caution.... " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Ha ha if only the news did report shit like that.JW and his fans wolud be far less cool! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Nice scenario there, KM. But yeah, I've really noticed the increased tensions around here over various people's perceptions of other people's perceptions of Williams and other composers. It's just too much!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Wasn't there already a fight this year at Symphony Hall?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Nice scenario there, KM. But yeah, I've really noticed the increased tensions around here over various people's perceptions of other people's perceptions of Williams and other composers. It's just too much!Ray BarnsburyYes...we should be able to say we like a JW score w/out being called a blind fanboy, and say we like another composers' score w/out being bashed. I'll begin:I LOVE THE SCORES TO THE PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN TRILOGY!.I think these scores tend to split us board members in two camps (very roughly):1. The film score fan, who enjoys the score as it relates to a film, and the experience (and possibly revisitation) of that film2. The symphonic music fan, who enjoys film scores as modern, post-/neo-romantic classical music, and who will tend to be unimpressed by Shore's LotR scores as such.I was going to go w/ option 2, but LOTR are one of my favorite film scores. Then I thought about it more, and decided that I am both option 1 and 2. Your division of the forum may be accurate to describe some people, but it sucks at describing me!Funnily enough, bickering NEVER gets old.TGE, who begrudgingly admits (not really) that bickering is THE be-all and end-all of all online discussion.What? Bickering is already old! Let's start a fight about this!! I agree w/ The Great Eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Ha ha if only the news did report shit like that.JW and his fans wolud be far less cool! yeah it seems you would never attend to one of the old kaboom-tish concerts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Honestly, I ultimately like and respect the opinions and indeed the "blind" people themselves too much to actually fight with them. For instance, yes King Mark's opinions can suck, but I mean, I look forward to each and every one. Or Luke is totally annoying, mainly because his logical reasoning is questionable at best, but man this place would be boring without him making some absurd connection between my defending Hans Zimmer and my opinion of Astrophysics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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