Hitch 57 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I haven't seen Jurassic Park since 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Yes. I think JP tried to be Jaws on land, but it didn't (quite) succeed.The boxoffice results are another matter of course.It's nothing like 'Jaws', unfortunately. More like 'Deep Blue Sea'....I liked 'The Lost World' better...here the shoddiness was part of the deal and on that level i could enjoy the 'King Kong' finale and even the silly gymnastics. Spielberg's action directing in this one was rather superb (the Van, the raptors in the grass etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I haven't seen Jurassic Park since 1993.You're a lucky guy. I'd love to watch it again after such a long time, on a now affordable big screen with 5.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Don't forget the Blu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 EVERY film has some sort of error continuity or other wise in it. No film is absolutely 100% perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I agree with those who said the film Jurassic Park is better than the novel. I used to consider Michael Crichton a favorite of mine, but after re-reading most of his works in honor of him after his death, I realized that I do not like his writing very much. They were very entertaining reads, and a great way to pass those long bus rides to and fro school, but I cannot think of a single Michael Crichton novel that I liked in retrospect. I feel that he...rambled too much, and I am not referring to the technical material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 EVERY film has some sort of error continuity or other wise in it. No film is absolutely 100% perfect.Of course, but I'm not talking about mere continuity errors like the ones Josh brought up. I'm talking about plot holes. Well, yes, some of the ones I mentioned were mere continuity errors, but the ground turning into a cliff. That's a major ass problem that affects the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 The ground/cliff thing is an error but it could have made sense how it was presented. If the T-Rex just pushed the car over the other side of the roadway or something. When you see them going down, it's obvious it's a huge drop-off next to the T-Rex paddock...but that makes no sense. They wouldn't put a 400 ft. drop that could potentially kill the animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Yes. I think JP tried to be Jaws on land, but it didn't (quite) succeed.The boxoffice results are another matter of course.It's nothing like 'Jaws', unfortunately. More like 'Deep Blue Sea'....I liked 'The Lost World' better...here the shoddiness was part of the deal and on that level i could enjoy the 'King Kong' finale and even the silly gymnastics. Spielberg's action directing in this one was rather superb (the Van, the raptors in the grass etc.).Jurassic Park was a LOT better than The Lost World, I thought. Overall, including story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,218 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I know Michael Crichton's works fairly well,and Jurassic Park is not one of his best. It's actually one of his worst.The movie is MUCH better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Yes. I think JP tried to be Jaws on land, but it didn't (quite) succeed.The boxoffice results are another matter of course.It's nothing like 'Jaws', unfortunately. More like 'Deep Blue Sea'....I liked 'The Lost World' better...here the shoddiness was part of the deal and on that level i could enjoy the 'King Kong' finale and even the silly gymnastics. Spielberg's action directing in this one was rather superb (the Van, the raptors in the grass etc.).Jurassic Park was a LOT better than The Lost World, I thought. Overall, including story.Both are bad films, the second is just more honest...and thus, more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 You're saying Jurassic Park is a bad film?Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 if he is he's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 King of the Hill:http://www.jplegacy.org/home.php?load=jura.../ffjpking.shtmlFlying into the sunset:http://www.jplegacy.org/home.php?load=jura...fjpsunset.shtmlOh, and the dilophosaur that attacks Nedry withing his car is bigger than the other that he encounters first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Both are bad films, the second is just more honest...and thus, more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,218 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I like JP, although each time I watch it it annoys me more, but it's certainly closer to being a bad film than to being a great film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 if he is he's an idiot.Normally I wouldn't go along with you on such a harsh statement, Joey...but here I'm gonna have to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 if he is he's an idiot.Normally I wouldn't go along with you on such a harsh statement, Joey...but here I'm gonna have to agree with you.well he's entitled to think what he wants, afterall there are many here who think I'm an idiot for thinking Fight Club is a bad film. but I am right of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Jurassic Park, minus the revolutionary special effects, is just a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ah, convenient wording to hide the true meaning of your post: "Jurassic Park is a bad film and anyone who disagrees has no taste whatsoever."How many times did one of your almighty professors proof-read that one, Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmw331 2 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Jurassic Park, minus the revolutionary special effects, is just a waste.Um....okaaayyyy.....How's this - Jurassic Park, minus the awesome action sequences, amazing music, great character acting by Goldblum, groundbreaking effects, CG/anamatronic dinos, and great direction by Spielberg, is just a waste.Put that in your pipe and smoke it all you JP bashers and continuity/error freaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Don't forget the absolutely terrific pacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 JP is one of SS's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmw331 2 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Don't forget the absolutely terrific pacing......that too! Yeah, there's a few more things you could add to my list, as I just don't think it's complete...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 This week it is the 1st time i had read such harsh remarks about JP. Just yesterday, i saw a review in a magazine because it aired on TV. Rating one star (=entertaining). And the text basically was: With amazing special effects, Spielberg once again achieved a blockbuster. A flat film that even though the dinosaurs 'are' real, it does not suffice to redeem it.I know it is not a masterpiece, but i thought it was regarded highly. It seems, as time passes it is critisized more and more. In a few years it will be considered a very bad movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 ...And Michael Bay will be considered a revolutionary genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Jurassic Park, minus the revolutionary special effects, is just a waste.a car without an engine doesn't run.could you come up with a more lame statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,218 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 How's this - Jurassic Park, minus the awesome action sequences, amazing music, great character acting by Goldblum, groundbreaking effects, CG/anamatronic dinos, and great direction by Spielberg, is just a waste.I honestly right now can't remember any particularly great action sequences (few action sequences at all). And pretty much all the plot and purpose of the novel was taken away for the film. So what remains, looking at your list, are great effects, a great score, some good acting and a good direction. Not enough to constitute a great movie (from these points, the only difference to the SW prequels is that Spielberg is a better director).Jurassic Park, minus the revolutionary special effects, is just a waste.a car without an engine doesn't run.And a great engine with a wobbly body, poor traction, bad electronics and uncomfortable seats doesn't make a great car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 if he is he's an idiot.Normally I wouldn't go along with you on such a harsh statement, Joey...but here I'm gonna have to agree with you.So i have Larry, Moe and Curly against me? Almighty lord, i'll have to reconsider then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jurassic Park, minus the revolutionary special effects, is just a waste. He's got a kick-ass dynamic going there. A real adventure vibe to the film, irrelevent of the dinos. It's an exciting film, with a nice sense of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I'm not ashamed to admit my adoration for Jurassic Park, which largely stems from the fact that it influenced a great deal of my childhood. But aside from that, I agree with what Morlock and others have said; it's a fun popcorn flick which, like it or not, has really become an icon of '90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 How's this - Jurassic Park, minus the awesome action sequences, amazing music, great character acting by Goldblum, groundbreaking effects, CG/anamatronic dinos, and great direction by Spielberg, is just a waste.I honestly right now can't remember any particularly great action sequences (few action sequences at all). And pretty much all the plot and purpose of the novel was taken away for the film. So what remains, looking at your list, are great effects, a great score, some good acting and a good direction. Not enough to constitute a great movie (from these points, the only difference to the SW prequels is that Spielberg is a better director).Who's debating greatness here? People were saying it's a bad movie, and I'm gonna have to say that's pretty ridiculous. Transformers was a bad movie. Jurassic Park is decent at worst, IMO. However, I think it's terrific for what it is: a nicely made monster movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Just for the record I never said the movie was bad. If there's a Blu release I'll definitely be picking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 JP is one of SS's best.Top 10 material probablyif he is he's an idiot.Normally I wouldn't go along with you on such a harsh statement, Joey...but here I'm gonna have to agree with you.So i have Larry, Moe and Curly against me? Almighty lord, i'll have to reconsider then.It's bad enough to call Jurassic Park a bad movie, but to actually say The Lost World is better? Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jurassic Park and The Lost World are pretty different in their approach. JP wowed us with the dinosaurs, TLW didn't need to do that. I haven't seen TLW in it's entirety recently, but I'd probably say that it's the more entertaining film. It's got some fantastic action sequences, and an equally great score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 It does have a great score and there are some effective scenes, but that doesn't stop it from being one of Spielberg's worst movies to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jurassic Park, minus the revolutionary special effects, is just a waste.So you're saying JP the score is a waste... OKAY!...And Michael Bay will be considered a revolutionary genius!No, that will never happen. Not even when the world goes down.Jurassic Park and The Lost World are pretty different in their approach. JP wowed us with the dinosaurs, TLW didn't need to do that. I haven't seen TLW in it's entirety recently, but I'd probably say that it's the more entertaining film. It's got some fantastic action sequences, and an equally great score.No, the action sequences are better in JP, I think.After all, what memorable action sequences are there in TLW, except maybe in San Diego (which weren't all that memorable, either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The cliff scene is good. Although the Raptor fight at the main centre is poor because they're portrayed as real cartoon dimwits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Well, they are animated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 After all, what memorable action sequences are there in TLW, except maybe in San Diego (which weren't all that memorable, either).The trailer scene. The guy getting killed by the Compys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The original Jurassic Park is an unforgettable movie for those who saw it in theatres. Not just for the effects, but for the sheer spectacle.Oh, and it got bad reviews right away. My local paper said it was JAWS without character development. Problem with that review is there was not so much character development in JAWS either (other than the main character overcoming a fear of water).I still watch Jurassic Park once in a while and get quite freaked out when the T-Rex is stepping on the car with Joey Mazello trapped inside. The movie does have characters, Grant does develop at least as much as Brody, and Hammond obviously develops the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jaws is far less cartoonish.At least Brody's fear of water is relevant to the film. (fueling his fears of the shark, and making him the odd man out during his shark hunt with Quint and Hooper, both experts in their own ways)Grant not liking kids has nothing to do with the dino's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Hammond might as well be Murray Hamilton. 'Look, it'll be great, don't worry about anything, it'll be fine, just a small hiccup, I know what I'm doing, uh oh it's all gone tits up, better repent!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Yes, it's basically the same type of role.Murray Hamilton was more realisic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,218 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 And his coming to like the kids doesn't really make much of a difference. Jaws had a plot within which the characters could interact, JP didn't have much of that. They stripped away the "issues" (which were handled well in the novel), stripped away one of the most exciting sequences of the book, and then turned Hammond into a much too sympathetic character for my taste (this one's debatable, perhaps, but I thought his book version made much more of an impression). Malcolm's best moments are also missing (that they revived him for the sequel is of course Crichton's own fault).I saw it theatrically when it came out, when I was 14 years old, and already back then I was somewhat disappointed (I'd just read the book beforehand) although also very impressed (only a year or two later would I realise that much of this was due to the music). I still enjoy it when I watch it occasionally, but each time I get more annoyed by its issues. I wouldn't call it a bad film, but with so many people here calling it a great film, all the negativity here barely manages to balance the collective opinion. Murray Hamilton was more realisic though.He also wasn't turned into the Hollywood family-friendly softie Hammond became in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The original Jurassic Park is an unforgettable movie for those who saw it in theatres. Not just for the effects, but for the sheer spectacle.Oh, and it got bad reviews right away. My local paper said it was JAWS without character development. Problem with that review is there was not so much character development in JAWS either (other than the main character overcoming a fear of water).I still watch Jurassic Park once in a while and get quite freaked out when the T-Rex is stepping on the car with Joey Mazello trapped inside. The movie does have characters, Grant does develop at least as much as Brody, and Hammond obviously develops the most.Jaws having not much character development might be a valid point but considering the character arcs why should there be. That certainly doesn't make the acting in Jaws any less terrific. In the 70's they didn't talk about the acting in Jaws, but now going on 35 years later they should, its stands up so well. The Trio is dynamic, engaging, funny, etc. When you feel fear through a character like Quint who is supposedly fearless then I'd say Shaw was doing something fantastic. Schieder's performance is so well done, I can't understand how the critics missed in back in 75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jaws is far less cartoonish.At least Brody's fear of water is relevant to the film. (fueling his fears of the shark, and making him the odd man out during his shark hunt with Quint and Hooper, both experts in their own ways)Grant not liking kids has nothing to do with the dino's.I beg to differ. But it is far more smooshy and Koepp-ish a connection. It is the whole thing about taking responsibility for your creations like they were your children. Life finds a way and all that. That man seems like he must spend most of his time on the therapist couch by the scripts he writes. "I'm safe in my space" "He left us!" "You never keep your promises" "Don't be a CHILD!" blah blah blah. Such hamfistedly done themes that Spielberg handles better in his own three scripts for Close Encounters, Poltergeist and AI.I think a tough guy is far more popular than a smooshie guy, so Brody > Grant, at least for the male audiences, and anybody who appreciates more subtle and realistic acting. I think by the time Spielberg got to JP, he had more clout, which means that actors defer to him and the script rather than workshopping scene by scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 After all, what memorable action sequences are there in TLW, except maybe in San Diego (which weren't all that memorable, either).The trailer scene. The guy getting killed by the Compys.The raptor attack in the tall grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jaws is not cartoonish at all. thankfully Spielberg never really went beyond the aggressive and angry nature of a great white. GW's have jumped on boats, punched holes in them, and of course devoured men. We may not be their normal food, but those PC experts lie out their asses when they say they mistake us for food. If we're in the water, then we are food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 "Don't be a CHILD!"That line is very fine in KOTCS.Whose father has not said it at least once to us when we were in our teens?And who hasnt acted once or twice like a child in those years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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