BTR1701 59 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 The PG-13 trend is becoming a little too popular. Easy A and The Social Network both got that treatment. It was obvious Easy A was supposed to be R, there was still a lot of stuff that surprised me for PG-13.It's just surprising when studios are censoring David Fincher and Ridley Scott and other great directors. Would WB censor Chris Nolan?It's all about putting the tween butts in the seats. There's lots more money to be made with a PG-13 than an R. You cut off a huge segment of the customer base that way. Kids are the only demographic that actually goes to the movies regularly anymore. Most adults have invested in a decent home setup and much prefer to wait a few months for the DVD and forego all the hassles at the theater.The best example I can think of this phenomenon was when they made that first Alien vs Predator movie. They took two fantastic R-rated franchises and dumbed them down to PG-13 so they could maximize the tween box office. The result was an insipid mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I would love to score this film! I totally would bring in the Goldsmith tone. I love the sparse stark quality of his original score. Still the best of the bunch, although Goldenthal's is my second fave. I think he did bridge some of that quality to Alien3 IMO but just made it more savage at the same time. Wreckage and Rape (the opening) is still one of my all time fave renditions of the Fiorina 1 theme. It's as apocalyptic as anything I've ever heard.Goldenthal's score was musically impressive but I felt it was also a bit obstrusive, as if it had to compensate for something. When I watch Alien, I hardly realize there is a score.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 There's lots more money to be made with a PG-13 than an R. Yep. Even then, it seems that far younger children are getting in to see movies that sttrreettcch PG-13. For example,I learned yesterday that my 8 year old Nephew and 11 year old Niece saw Avatar in the cinema. Nothing new I guess. Money talks. VHS Rental shops sneekily handed out 18+ Vids when I was about 11 or so. Still though, I bet it was a case of my nephew going berserk about any suggestion that his sister could watch it but he couldn't. My brother's wife simply can't say no to them and keeps trying to treat them equally all the time in the interest of 'peace'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I would love to score this film! I totally would bring in the Goldsmith tone. I love the sparse stark quality of his original score. Still the best of the bunch, although Goldenthal's is my second fave. I think he did bridge some of that quality to Alien3 IMO but just made it more savage at the same time. Wreckage and Rape (the opening) is still one of my all time fave renditions of the Fiorina 1 theme. It's as apocalyptic as anything I've ever heard.Then start pulling your contacts! I solute your optimism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I would love to score this film! I totally would bring in the Goldsmith tone.No! Make it original! I'm sick of nods and homages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 There's lots more money to be made with a PG-13 than an R. Yep. Even then, it seems that far younger children are getting in to see movies that sttrreettcch PG-13. For example,I learned yesterday that my 8 year old Nephew and 11 year old Niece saw Avatar in the cinema. Nothing new I guess. Money talks. VHS Rental shops sneekily handed out 18+ Vids when I was about 11 or so. Still though, I bet it was a case of my nephew going berserk about any suggestion that his sister could watch it but he couldn't. My brother's wife simply can't say no to them and keeps trying to treat them equally all the time in the interest of 'peace'.Does anyone remember a time when a grown-up film industry made grown-up films for grown-up people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Does anyone remember a time when a grown-up film industry made grown-up films for grown-up people?We are living it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 I can't wait to see this, Ridley being my second favourite director (after Spielberg, obviously) and ALIEN being one my very, very favourite movies (if not THE favourite movie). It's surely taken long enough to have it materialize! And it ain't finished yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 The PG-13 trend is becoming a little too popular. Easy A and The Social Network both got that treatment. It was obvious Easy A was supposed to be R, there was still a lot of stuff that surprised me for PG-13.It's just surprising when studios are censoring David Fincher and Ridley Scott and other great directors. Would WB censor Chris Nolan?You can get away with certain things in a PG-13 film. You can drop a few "F" bombs and some female above the waste nudity.I would love to score this film! I totally would bring in the Goldsmith tone. I love the sparse stark quality of his original score. Still the best of the bunch, although Goldenthal's is my second fave. I think he did bridge some of that quality to Alien3 IMO but just made it more savage at the same time. Wreckage and Rape (the opening) is still one of my all time fave renditions of the Fiorina 1 theme. It's as apocalyptic as anything I've ever heard.Then start pulling your contacts! I solute your optimism!You can do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hmm . . . I'm divided on this one. Growing up as a major fan of the original, I remember thinking Aliens was gonna suck. Of course, it didn't (you hit it on the head with that "perfect Sunday afternoon combo" bit, Joey). Alien3, on the other hand . . . did. As did the one that followed. The first AVP wasn't too bad--it, at least, had the virtue of being fun. AVP: Requiem was a gigantic turd, the stench of which lingers in a mind eager to forget it ever happened.I was having a discussion about these movies not too long ago with another fan whose opinion largely reflected mine. We agreed that the series went wrong at exactly the point when they started trying to make them horror films. They're not (at least, they're not supposed to be). Horror films attempt to be scary by bending toward gratuitous, graphic violence. When you think about it, the original Alien and its first sequel weren't really all that violent. Sure, there were the chestburster scenes, but those were more disturbing than gratuitously violent. Aside from those, there was a minimum of on-screen blood in both films (though there was certainly plenty of opportunity for it). These were intelligent and well-executed science fiction thrillers, not horror films. The further sequels blew all of that. They were exploitative gross-fests designed to see how many weird and wild images they could stuff into a movie, using large casts elected solely to be thrown into a meat grinder. Nothing interesting, intelligent or entertaining about that at all. So, what about a prequel, then? It has potential, I suppose. If it could be geared once again as a good sci-fi thriller--or even just a good ol' science fiction film--then it might turn out all right. I'd certainly trust Ridley Scott more than many other to pull it off.- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hmm, Aliens certainly kicked up the gore. Exploding, splattering aliens, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Disgusting things happening to disgusting creatures? These two things simply cancel each other out.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hmm . . . I'm divided on this one. Growing up as a major fan of the original, I remember thinking Aliens was gonna suck. Of course, it didn't (you hit it on the head with that "perfect Sunday afternoon combo" bit, Joey). Alien3, on the other hand . . . did. As did the one that followed. The first AVP wasn't too bad--it, at least, had the virtue of being fun. AVP: Requiem was a gigantic turd, the stench of which lingers in a mind eager to forget it ever happened.I was having a discussion about these movies not too long ago with another fan whose opinion largely reflected mine. We agreed that the series went wrong at exactly the point when they started trying to make them horror films. They're not (at least, they're not supposed to be). Horror films attempt to be scary by bending toward gratuitous, graphic violence. When you think about it, the original Alien and its first sequel weren't really all that violent. Sure, there were the chestburster scenes, but those were more disturbing than gratuitously violent. Aside from those, there was a minimum of on-screen blood in both films (though there was certainly plenty of opportunity for it). These were intelligent and well-executed science fiction thrillers, not horror films. The further sequels blew all of that. They were exploitative gross-fests designed to see how many weird and wild images they could stuff into a movie, using large casts elected solely to be thrown into a meat grinder. Nothing interesting, intelligent or entertaining about that at all. So, what about a prequel, then? It has potential, I suppose. If it could be geared once again as a good sci-fi thriller--or even just a good ol' science fiction film--then it might turn out all right. I'd certainly trust Ridley Scott more than many other to pull it off.- UniPlease post more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hmm . . . I'm divided on this one. Growing up as a major fan of the original, I remember thinking Aliens was gonna suck. Of course, it didn't (you hit it on the head with that "perfect Sunday afternoon combo" bit, Joey). Alien3, on the other hand . . . did. As did the one that followed. The first AVP wasn't too bad--it, at least, had the virtue of being fun. AVP: Requiem was a gigantic turd, the stench of which lingers in a mind eager to forget it ever happened.I was having a discussion about these movies not too long ago with another fan whose opinion largely reflected mine. We agreed that the series went wrong at exactly the point when they started trying to make them horror films. They're not (at least, they're not supposed to be). Horror films attempt to be scary by bending toward gratuitous, graphic violence. When you think about it, the original Alien and its first sequel weren't really all that violent. Sure, there were the chestburster scenes, but those were more disturbing than gratuitously violent. Aside from those, there was a minimum of on-screen blood in both films (though there was certainly plenty of opportunity for it). These were intelligent and well-executed science fiction thrillers, not horror films. The further sequels blew all of that. They were exploitative gross-fests designed to see how many weird and wild images they could stuff into a movie, using large casts elected solely to be thrown into a meat grinder. Nothing interesting, intelligent or entertaining about that at all. So, what about a prequel, then? It has potential, I suppose. If it could be geared once again as a good sci-fi thriller--or even just a good ol' science fiction film--then it might turn out all right. I'd certainly trust Ridley Scott more than many other to pull it off.- UniPlease post more!I disagree (not about posting more, you should), Alien is a horror film. You can wrap it in SF trappings all you like, it's still a haunted house movie.Horror films attempt to be scary by bending toward gratuitous, graphic violence.That's usually a generalisation normally used by people who are derogatory towards the genre of horror as a whole. But it's a broad statement. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (which was a HUGE influence on Ridley Scott and Alien) has no graphic violence. The Exorcist has very little. The Shining. The Omen. Halloween. None of these movies have any more graphic violence than Alien. Yet you'd be hard pressed to call them anything but horror movies.I think probably what you're thinking more of are things like Saw, which I agree are generally a waste of time. But you infer a lack of intelligence in horror films, which again is an oversimplification, like saying all fantasy films are for adolescents and people who refuse to grow up. For example, Dawn of the Dead contains much graphic horror and wears its horror film tag on its sleeve, but it's known as much for its intelligence and satirical and social qualities as it is for its gore. David Cronenberg's films are fiercely intelligent.Besides, Aliens is an action film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 "Haunted House" movies aren't horror movies, they are thrillers. It's about what you don't see, the dark corners, the noises on the attic. But yes, Alien adds a few 'horror' elements to the whole as well.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Do you like horror films, Alex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I like all movies if they are good . Example: 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later are both horror movies but I only like the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I like all movies if they are good . Example: 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later are both horror movies but I only like the first one.I see. I always find it useful to find out people's opinion on the genre before entering into any discussion on what exactly constitutes "horror" and "thriller". Interestingly, I remember reading Danny Boyle was very adamant that 28 Days Later was not a horror and expressed a distaste for the genre, which was somewhat ironic given the influence on it by Romero's pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Are you sure Boyle said "horror" and not "zombie"? The latter would make more sense since 28 Days Later is a horror movie. Weather it's a zombie movie is more debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Are you sure Boyle said "horror" and not "zombie"? The latter would make more sense since 28 Days Later is a horror movie. Weather it's a zombie movie is more debatable.It could have been zombie, in fact I think it might have been. I remember thinking it was funny because Alex Garland wrote it as an unashamed homage to Romero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Are you sure Boyle said "horror" and not "zombie"? The latter would make more sense since 28 Days Later is a horror movie. Weather it's a zombie movie is more debatable.It could have been zombie, in fact I think it might have been. I remember thinking it was funny because Alex Garland wrote it as an unashamed homage to Romero.Interesting, the connections we make. Technically speaking, 28 Days Later isn't a zombie movie at all (since the "creatures" in it aren't dead, just diseased), and yet--because they feed on human flesh--everyone called it a zombie film. Guess if it looks like one and acts like one. . . .I disagree (not about posting more, you should), Alien is a horror film. You can wrap it in SF trappings all you like, it's still a haunted house movie.Horror films attempt to be scary by bending toward gratuitous, graphic violence.That's usually a generalisation normally used by people who are derogatory towards the genre of horror as a whole. But it's a broad statement. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (which was a HUGE influence on Ridley Scott and Alien) has no graphic violence. The Exorcist has very little. The Shining. The Omen. Halloween. None of these movies have any more graphic violence than Alien. Yet you'd be hard pressed to call them anything but horror movies.I think probably what you're thinking more of are things like Saw, which I agree are generally a waste of time. But you infer a lack of intelligence in horror films, which again is an oversimplification, like saying all fantasy films are for adolescents and people who refuse to grow up. For example, Dawn of the Dead contains much graphic horror and wears its horror film tag on its sleeve, but it's known as much for its intelligence and satirical and social qualities as it is for its gore. David Cronenberg's films are fiercely intelligent.Besides, Aliens is an action film Much as I'd like to, I can't really argue with you here. I don't infer a lack of intelligence in horror films as a whole (we can all think of some brilliant ones); but I'll cop to the generalization bit, and even to being a bit derogatory toward horror films. You make some good points here. Still, I'm not yet ready concede all. I still think Alien is far more a thriller than a horror film. But, hey, maybe that's just me. . . !Please post more!Thanks for the sentiment. I wish I could spend a lot more time here than I do. That's been a problem for years now. . . . - Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I like all movies if they are good . Example: 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later are both horror movies but I only like the first one.Whilst the original is the better movie, I found the sequel to be good in its own right. The opening sequence was an absolute barnstormer and the I found the movie in general to be thrilling, compared to the more character driven Days. 28 Weeks Later was a worthy sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 When is 28 Months Later gonna come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 When is 28 Months Later gonna come out? I think Boyle and Garland are working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Yeah I heard that, bring it on. I got room for one more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 I lost patience 2/3 through the first one...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 The last third is the best part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 The last third is the best part!Not if you've seen Day of the Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 The third part of 28 Days Later brilliantly shifted its focus from the 'infected' to the world of a new humanity: a frightened and lawless man that is even more dangerous than the poor but predictable 'infected' one. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Or Rambo in Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Or Rambo in Manchester.The best thing they did to Manchester was to incerate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Maad for iiit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Update:http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-titled-paradise-filming-delayed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Nice that it's going to be a 2 - parter, but, honestly; "Paradise"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 Alien is a lame title too, if you think about it. And the absence of that word in the new title is encouraging. Kind of like TDK. I like simple titles like this. They're more elegant, I think. And they promise something more special.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,138 Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Don't know if this was posted, but there are rumors of H.R. Giger being involved in the Alien Prequel. Kinda cool to imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Ridley Scott's Prometheus will be released March 9th, 2012Scott: "While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."Sounds like the start of a new science fiction series. The word "Alien" doesn't even appear in the official title of the film. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 From what I understand it is more of a spin-off than prequel. Doesn't matter anyway. I like what I'm reading here.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Doesn't matter anyway. I like what I'm reading here.I agree, except for the possible involvement of Jolie or Theron. Just like with Alien, I want the film to be the star, not the actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I'm glad it's not an "Alien" film. Give me Ridley doing Sci-fi, with no expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 But it is an Alien film, it just doesn't have the word "alien" in the title. Is it still going to be PG-13 or is the studio going to let Scott do what he wants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hmm.. I read it to mean it was not related in any way to the Alien canon, but would be somewhat inspired by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I understand they went all about the "space jockey" on the script, and then they they thought "Ok this is cool by itself, why don't we make it an original story instead of a prequel to Alien?". And then they chose a different title for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hello, sweetie. Alex, you know that statement goes against EVERYTHING you believe about films! I don't think so, honey. Hmm.. I read it to mean it was not related in any way to the Alien canon, but would be somewhat inspired by it.That's how I read it too. That's also the reason why there's no "alien" in the film title. The producers ain't gonna like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hello, sweetie. Alex, you know that statement goes against EVERYTHING you believe about films! I don't think so, honey. Au contraire, darling; au contraire. If you are as passionate about films as I think you are, then you'll know that ALL films are about people, and that no one element of a film should dominate, however good it is. Having said that, I will happily admit that, with some films, the only reason that they are even remotely watchable is due to the technical aspects of the film. As far as "ALIEN" is concerned, Scott always intended the "look" of the film to be its main attraction, and, on that score, he succeeds magnificently! But is that right? It seems that more and more films get attention for their technical aspects, rather than their artistic merits. Surely, something is seriously wrong, here? Hmm.. I read it to mean it was not related in any way to the Alien canon, but would be somewhat inspired by it.That's how I read it too. That's also the reason why there's no "alien" in the film title. The producers ain't gonna like this.PROMETHEUS: FROM AND INSPIRED BY THE MOTION PICTURE "ALIEN". Just doesn't sound right, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I just want to say the the look of a film IS and artistic merit, the same way a poet has an artistic merit in his usage of words or a comic book writer in the treatment of rythm, page flow and time dilation, or a painter's painting technique, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I just want to say the the look of a film IS and artistic merit, the same way a poet has an artistic merit in his usage of words or a comic book writer in the treatment of rythm, page flow and time dilation, or a painter's painting technique, for example.I absolute, agree with, and endorse your point, Chaac! my complaint is that too many films are known far more for what goes on behind the camera, than for what goes on it front of it. All elements of a film should, IMHO, be subservient to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If you are as passionate about films as I think you are, then you'll know that ALL films are about people ... It's important, sure, but what distinguishes a movie from other movies? The artist's vision. The way a story is told.I just want to say the the look of a film IS and artistic merit, the same way a poet has an artistic merit in his usage of words or a comic book writer in the treatment of rythm, page flow and time dilation, or a painter's painting technique, for example.True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 This film will end up tanking anyway.Oh well it can't drag the Alien franchise any lower then it already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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