La-La Land releasing David Arnold's Independence Day

[Neimoidian 14]

I think the special edition had more Vivica A Fox dancing.

The most spectacular shots in this movie next to destruction of The White House.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

[it's a shame the theatrical version isn't so readily available anymore. At least the 2000 DVD had seamless branching.

Get the blu ray; it's the theatrical version. I don't miss the special edition either.

Thank heavens.

[Delorean90 42]

I'm not quite as intimately familiar with the differences from original version to film version of the final battle, but when I watched it on TV recently, I remember liking the music for Russell Cates's grand entrance better in the original cue, and I definitely prefer the ending of the "The Day We Fight Back" better in the original cue. I do prefer Cates's Theme over the patriotic theme, so there may be a bias, but not only do I like that triumphant theme over the one used, I also like the sense that the original cue leaves of "It ain't over yet."

[Jay 37,364]

Luckily LLL will give us all versions so we can listen to our preferred one

[Delorean90 42]

Yup!

What would be really sweet is if both versions of the final battle SCENES were available--I'd love to see the cut of the battle that the original versions scored.

[mahler3 478]

and the silly subplot with Alicia's boyfriend and not wanting to die a virgin had the lamest dialogue in the whole movie.

It is sooo awful, I cringe just thinking of it!

Can't wait for this CD release, aside from the terrific writing and orchestrations it also features some of the finest brass playing EVER! The Hollywood horns really excelled themselves with this one and I remember Nicholas Dodd telling me that the recording sessions were simply glorious!

[Ollie 1,059]

There is a lot of energy in the score. As far as I'm concerned it's one of the last good blockbuster scores.

[Corellian2019 386]

What would be really sweet is if both versions of the final battle SCENES were available--I'd love to see the cut of the battle that the original versions scored.

Isn't that available as an alternate ending on the 2nd disc of the DVD?

[Jay 37,364]

Yes

[Jay 37,364]

Hey everyone, MV has confirmed that this will be released on April 20th. It will be limited to 5,000 copies. You can buy it starting at NOON Pacific Time on the 20th on their website (www.lalalandrecords.com), and the first 100 copies sold will also ship with a second copy of the booklet signed by David Arnold.

The same day they are releasing a score limited to 3,000 copies, but he gave no hints about what it could be.

[Delorean90 42]

Oh, wow! I'll have to try and get a hold of that DVD...

Looking forward to this release, but I'm reeling from all the cool stuff coming out. I wanted to grab Dutch, but I've hesitated, and that's probably good, 'cause I could grab it with ID4. However, Dragonslayer and Eraser sound good, and I'd like to get Robocop as well. Yikes!

[Dean1700 4]

Hey everyone, MV has confirmed that this will be released on April 20th. It will be limited to 5,000 copies. You can buy it starting at NOON Pacific Time on the 20th on their website (www.lalalandrecords.com), and the first 100 copies sold will also ship with a second copy of the booklet signed by David Arnold.

The same day they are releasing a score limited to 3,000 copies, but he gave no hints about what it could be.

Awesome news. I think this will sell out very quickly so I'll have to make sure I get in early.

What is Pacific time? Is that Sydney, Australia time or Hawaii time?

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

What is Pacific time? Is that Sydney, Australia time or Hawaii time?

the one used in the US west coast, i think.

[John Crichton 4]

What is Pacific time? Is that Sydney, Australia time or Hawaii time?

the one used in the US west coast, i think.

Yes.

[Jay 37,364]

I wonder if the ID4 set will contain some cues without the chorus overlayed in the bonus tracks section, just like Cutthroat Island did?

[Nemesis 245]

Where did you find this info? Just curious.

[Jay 37,364]

[Nemesis 245]

Ahaa

[Demondm810 399]

Nice.

[Jay 37,364]

INDEPENDENCE DAY

INDEPENDENCE DAY: LIMITED EDITION (2CD-SET) LLLCD 1113

Music by David Arnold

Limited Edition of 5000 Units

SHIPPING APRIL 27

RETAIL PRICE $29.98

ORDER "INDEPENDENCE DAY: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)" April 20th at www.lalalandrecords.com and get your CD autographed by composer David Arnold at no additional charge. Autographs are while supplies last and are not guaranteed.

In association with Twentieth Century Fox and Sony Music's Custom Marketing Group, La-La Land Records presents the world premiere release of David Arnold's (CASINO ROYALE, SHAFT, STARGATE, GODZILLA) complete score from the 1996 Twentieth Century Fox sci-fi blockbuster motion picture INDEPENDENCE DAY, starring Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, Mary McDonnell, Bill Pullman and Randy Quaid, directed by Roland Emmerich. Arnold's epic, sweeping orchestral score sends the listener, along with the film's large scale sci-fi action and broad human drama, into the cinematic stratosphere. Produced by Nick Redman & Mike Matessino and Didier C. Deutsch, edited and assembled by Mike Matessino, and mastered by Mark G. Wilder and Maria Triana, this 2 CD Limited Edition set features over two full hours of astounding film music, (with more than 70 minutes of previously unreleased material) including the complete score, along with a generous helping of Bonus Tracks. In-depth liner notes by Dan Goldwasser features comments from the composer, co-writer/producer Dean Devlin and others. This is a limited edition of 5000 Units.

TRACK LISTING:

DISC ONE

1. 1969: We Came In Peace (2:01)

2. S.E.T.I. - Radio Signal (1:53)

3. Mysto Bridge*/Satellite Collision*/ Destroyers Disengage*/Russell Casse - Pilot* (2:17)

4. First Sighting*/AWAC Attack* (2:18)

5. The Darkest Day (4:14)

6. Moving Day*/Countdown* (2:12)

7. Cancelled Leave (1:46)

8. Commence Lift-off*/Parabolic Indenwhat?* (1:17)

9. Evacuation (5:48)

10. Firestorm (1:24)

11. Aftermath (3:36)

12. Base Attack (6:11)

13. Marilyn Found* (1:29)

14. Area 51*/The Big Tamale*/Formaldehyde Freak Show* (4:12)

15. El Toro Destroyed (1:31)

16. Slimey Wakes Up* (5:24)

17. Target Remains*/Rescue* (5:56)

18. The Death of Marilyn*/Dad's A Genius* (3:34)

19. Alien Ship Powers Up* (1:46)

20. International Code (1:32)

21. Wedding* (1:50)

22. The President's Speech (3:11)

Total Time - Disc One: 65:31

DISC TWO

1. Just In Case*/Attacker Fires Up* (3:10)

2. The Launch Tunnel*/Mutha Ship*/Virus Uploaded* (8:27)

3. Hide!*/Russell's Packin' (The Day We Fight Back)* (4:44)

4. He Did It* (1:33)

5. Jolly Roger (3:17)

6. Victory* (3:40)

7. End Credits (9:07)

BONUS TRACKS

8. 1969: We Came In Peace - Alt.* (2:11)

9. Destroyers Disengage (No Choir)* (0:34)

10. Cancelled Leave - Alt.* (1:43)

11. Commence Lift-off - Alt.* (0:55)

12. Base Attack (Segment - Film Version)* (2:27)

13. Marilyn Found (No Choir)* (1:28)

14. Target Remains/Rescue - Alt.* (2:40)

15. Dad's A Genius - Alt.* (0:45)

16. Attacker Fires Up (Original Version - No Choir)* (2:01)

17. Virus Uploaded - Alt.* (2:35)

18. The Day We Fight Back (Original Version) (5:48)

19. Jolly Roger - Alt.* (3:22)

20. End Credits (Segment, No Choir)* (2:47)

Total Time - Disc Two: 63:34

Total playing time Disc One and Disc Two: 129:05

* - Previously Unreleased Track

Original Film Score Published by Fox Film Music Corp. (BMI)

[Dean1700 4]

This is going to be an awesome release.

[Trent B 337]

Oh an alternate for "Cancelled Leave" and "Target Remains / Rescue" eh? Those aught to be interesting to hear. It sorta sucks they had to join the smaller cues into long ones but probably necessary in order to having to pay extra fees for those.

It's funny they notate the alternate of "1969: We Came In Peace" as previously unreleased, when in fact it was released. There were two versions of the OST. Version 1 had the track listings printed on the back cover and the film version for "1969: We Came In Peace". Version 2 didn't have the track listings posted on the back cover and the alternate for 1969: We Came In Peace.

I should know because when the OST first came out I bought it and I saw it was different. It was even different from a buddy of mine that had the score. Then a couple of years ago when I re-bought the OST after I moved (was among the causalities) I had the one that had the film version for "1969: We Came In Peace".

[Jay 37,364]

Trent speaks the truth, except to note that we he calls "Version 2" was released at the time of the film's release (actually a few days before the film was in theaters), and what he calls Version 1 came out a while later.

I was surprised by that asterisk as well. Unless its a different alternate than the initial pressings of the OST had? I'll find out.

[Jay 37,364]

Well, I've confirmed that there is nothing on the "World Records" boot that isn't on the LLL release. However, there are some alternates from the Other bootleg that are not included here. There are of course a BUNCH of new alternates that have never been heard before. Check it out:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=ttnycTsrLSKhCzvEcVLJMFA&output=html

Exclusive tracks are highlighted in yellow. Note that ALL of the alternates not included on the LLL release are different only in orchestration (IE, the boot makers selected the wrong take), not notes played.

[Ollie 1,059]

Oh my!!!! ID4, Im soooo stunned.

What a huge suprise.

[Jay 37,364]

My copy arrived today!

[Trent B 337]

While this set isn't 100% perfect it's pretty damn close! An interesting thing to note...for "Target Remains / Rescue", from 3:39 onward is NOT the film version of the cue, it's an alternate. Even the alternate on Disc 2 for that cue is an alternate. The film version for that portion is on the World Records boot though.

I also really love the revised cues for "Virus Uploaded" to "He Did It". It's awesome to hear that outside of the film for a change. Also does anyone else detect that, that portion of the music sounds like it was recorded in a different studio compared to the rest of the score?

[Richard Penna 3,690]

I've 'acquired' this to tide me over until it arrives properly... and wow. Everything from the boot that I wanted is here, the sound quality is a step up even from the OST, and also, they've combined cues in a way that makes them separable if we want.

Well done LLL!

[Demondm810 399]

This score is unreal.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

While this set isn't 100% perfect it's pretty damn close! An interesting thing to note...for "Target Remains / Rescue", from 3:39 onward is NOT the film version of the cue, it's an alternate. Even the alternate on Disc 2 for that cue is an alternate. The film version for that portion is on the World Records boot though.

I also really love the revised cues for "Virus Uploaded" to "He Did It". It's awesome to hear that outside of the film for a change. Also does anyone else detect that, that portion of the music sounds like it was recorded in a different studio compared to the rest of the score?

Interesting to know that my World Records one isn't completely redundant.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Its been years since i watched the movie, and never listened to the score outside the film.

But i got curious and am listening to some clips now.

I can see why it was said back in the day that Arnold was the 'next williams'. There are some nice hints of Williams in there. Its not as crafted, but it sounds good, and much better than most scores today.

[Richard Penna 3,690]

I honestly believe it's 'defensive' fanboy talk when you get a magnificent score like this, and someone says "well it's clearly not as well crafted as Williams".

Rubbish. What would he have done that Arnold didn't?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I do not hear much of Williams in this score.

[Richard Penna 3,690]

You don't have to hear Williams for it to be at the same level of quality.

[Trent B 337]

I honestly believe it's 'defensive' fanboy talk when you get a magnificent score like this, and someone says "well it's clearly not as well crafted as Williams".

Rubbish. What would he have done that Arnold didn't?

I agree...I don't think Williams would have wrote a better score. I hate when someone hears a score like this and that person goes, "So and so could have been the next Williams" or "I hear homage to Williams in this" bah what ever!

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

MY god...talk about overreacting.

I thought i was praising the score...

Defensive fanboy? I fear we ALL are, arent we?

BTW, with less crafted than williams, i meant that the technique is there, but needs polishing. It sounds raw.

[Richard Penna 3,690]

with less crafted than williams, i meant that the technique is there, but needs polishing. It sounds raw

I wouldn't say it sounds raw. I'm sure Williams' take would be interesting, but I don't believe it would result in better craftsmanship than Arnold gave us.

But hey, talk to someone whose favourite composer is still Williams instead.

[Ollie 1,059]

Perhaps Williams 1975 to 1985 could have really outdone ID4 but this is an outstanding score and there's no need for any polishing.

[scallenger 483]

Okay, not to play Devil's Advocate (fun game!) but me and at least one other person (shout out to "Paleo") believe the actual mixing quality of this release is a bit... sub-par. Granted, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy about this release for the music itself and even the presentation and sequence is great, but I thought the mixing of the bass sort of kills it. There are times when it makes everything sound so muffled I can hardly distinct what is going on. Now I know the score is meant to be chaotic and loud, that's not what I mean. Just compare the sound of this to LaLaLand's release of Godzilla, for example. That score has plenty of equally chaotic and loud parts, but you can always hear what is going on.

Heck, compare the quality to recent release of much older scores like The Goonies and RoboCop, and you'll see what I mean. What happened?

Maybe it was the way this particular score was recorded and there wasn't much to work with to fix this problem, but in my opinion, I honestly think the footwarmer sounds better.

[Trent B 337]

Okay, not to play Devil's Advocate (fun game!) but me and at least one other person (shout out to "Paleo") believe the actual mixing quality of this release is a bit... sub-par. Granted, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy about this release for the music itself and even the presentation and sequence is great, but I thought the mixing of the bass sort of kills it. There are times when it makes everything sound so muffled I can hardly distinct what is going on. Now I know the score is meant to be chaotic and loud, that's not what I mean. Just compare the sound of this to LaLaLand's release of Godzilla, for example. That score has plenty of equally chaotic and loud parts, but you can always hear what is going on.

Heck, compare the quality to recent release of much older scores like The Goonies and RoboCop, and you'll see what I mean. What happened?

Maybe it was the way this particular score was recorded and there wasn't much to work with to fix this problem, but in my opinion, I honestly think the footwarmer sounds better.

Ya the mixing is a tad strange, especially when listening to the revised cues for "Virus Uploaded" to "He Did It". It doesn't sound quite as vibrant compared to the rear channel DVD rips.

[scallenger 483]

Hmm, I haven't done comparisons with the rear channels. Maybe the sources for the stuff not on the footwarmers were not stored properly or something. I mean it was back in 1996, right? Enough time for damages to happen. And I did see Ford A Thaxton's name listed for "special thanks"...

[paleo 63]

...and I agree. I'm actually a bit disappointed. The mix has a very low volume, but even so the sound quality falters every time it gets louder or more complex. Ruins one of my favorite moments (the choir in 'hot tamale'). It's overall not horrible, but disappointingly noticeable. As Scallenger said, Goonies (and the excellent Robocop) sound a lot better.

Also, this is one score where I would really have liked to have a nice track analysis, telling me things like why hot tamale sounds not at all like in the movie (an alternate? an edit?), etc. etc.

La La Land is great, but has done better jobs.

[Trent B 337]

I do believe the version of "Big Tamale" in the film is a combination edit of two cues. I'll have to check it out later on to be sure.

[paleo 63]

I do believe the version of "Big Tamale" in the film is a combination edit of two cues. I'll have to check it out later on to be sure.

That's what I thought too.

[Trent B 337]

Do you guys notice that from "Virus Uploaded" to "He Did It" sounds a bit different when compared to the rest of the score? Almost like those pieces were recorded in a different studio.

[paleo 63]

Have to give it another listen.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Okay, not to play Devil's Advocate (fun game!) but me and at least one other person (shout out to "Paleo") believe the actual mixing quality of this release is a bit... sub-par. Granted, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy about this release for the music itself and even the presentation and sequence is great, but I thought the mixing of the bass sort of kills it. There are times when it makes everything sound so muffled I can hardly distinct what is going on. Now I know the score is meant to be chaotic and loud, that's not what I mean. Just compare the sound of this to LaLaLand's release of Godzilla, for example. That score has plenty of equally chaotic and loud parts, but you can always hear what is going on.

Heck, compare the quality to recent release of much older scores like The Goonies and RoboCop, and you'll see what I mean. What happened?

Maybe it was the way this particular score was recorded and there wasn't much to work with to fix this problem, but in my opinion, I honestly think the footwarmer sounds better.

I dunno, aside from the clips on the website, I haven't heard the new release yet, but I think even the OST has a bass level that drowns out a lot of the higher detail. I think it may be just inherent in the recording quality.

By the way, does anyone know if this is a 20-bit master like the original HDCD?

EDIT: I really love that cue "First Sighting" on the LLL website. Evidently a rejected cue from when the firestorm is sighted in Iraq. It was probably left out to save the biggest statement of the alien motif for the reveal over the US.

[Jay 37,364]

While this set isn't 100% perfect it's pretty damn close! An interesting thing to note...for "Target Remains / Rescue", from 3:39 onward is NOT the film version of the cue, it's an alternate. Even the alternate on Disc 2 for that cue is an alternate. The film version for that portion is on the World Records boot though.

I just compared the LLL track "Target Remains / Rescue" to the World Records track "Nuke Attack / Reunions" and they sound the same to me. What exactly did you think is different about them?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I thought these rumours were supposedly denied by Will Smith's agent, but IMDb has these listed.

[Jay 37,364]

That doesn't mean anything. IMDB has wrong information all the time