Morlock 11 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 That's Lucas' argument, and it is not a good one at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I love his reviews.In this one I really liked the part on how the movie is structured, alternating between pointless digital action and dialogue scenes that are all shot the same way. And how he compares it to the new Star Trek. Everything against blue screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Dialogue scenes might have been shot that way as an homage to The Bold and the Beautiful. They are pretty much identical. Both in approach and in content. Lucas is clever, you know.Karol Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Why doesn't DownloadHelper work with the videos posted at his site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Dialogue scenes might have been shot that way as an homage to The Bold and the Beautiful. They are pretty much identical. Both in approach and in content. Lucas is clever, you know.KarolEven Stephanie's stunt double in drag going down the slide on an episode earlier this week wasn't unlike that cheesy Count Dooku stunt with Christopher Lee's head pasted on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Finally actually saw it...that was fantastic. Shows how vital film criticism can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I dunno about you guys, but I've been waiting months for this one: I don't know who he got to do the imitation of the Emperor's voice, but it's spot-on.He's also got new reviews on KOTCS, The Last Airbender, and . . . others. Sweet!- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I never understood why people spend an hour and a half watching some guy talk about how much a film we already know sucks sucks instead of maybe going out and watching an actual film that maybe doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 he has "good" ideas for fan edits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I think they're funny. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I never understood why people spend an hour and a half watching some guy talk about how much a film we already know sucks sucks instead of maybe going out and watching an actual film that maybe doesn't suck.1) Because he's hilarious.2) Because his analysis is actually quite brilliant. In this review, for instance, the way he uses the ending of A New Hope as a prophetic device that foreshadows Lucas's own fall from his early ideals is like a final, unerring condemnation of everything the prequels represent.I could do without the extra "Nadine" story garbage (thankfully there's a lot less in this one than the last), but the rest of it is gold. His perspective on character and story alone could be used to teach seminars on the most effective way to write and direct movies.- Uni Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He's also got new reviews on KOTCS, The Last Airbender, and . . . others. Sweet!- UniI think that was merely a joke to make fun of how much the fans prodded them. I'd certainly like to see those reviews, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Yeah, I can't find any of those on his site (not that I was looking for the last one, of course. . . . ). It'd be great if he took a shot at Airbender, though. There's a movie dying for one of his treatments.- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I never understood why people spend an hour and a half watching some guy talk about how much a film we already know sucks sucks instead of maybe going out and watching an actual film that maybe doesn't suck.Because he's usually poignant at the sake of being eloquent.I don't know about you, but I feel like I've watched a lot of my collection of 90 minute movies to death, so it's refreshing to watch fan-made commentaries about them, especially those three in particular that don't really have a welcome place in my collection anymore.It's also a lot more difficult to make watching a movie that doesn't suck as hilarious as it does critiquing the piss out of a movie that does suck. Now if he could make a commentary that makes an honestly good movie, like The Wizard of Oz or The Godfather look as bad as the prequels, I'd also be all for that. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 It just seems redundant given the entire internet has spent the last eleven years pulling the prequels apart. Does he do positive reviews or just negative? Is there a two-hour one on how much The Godfather rocks?In terms of watching something else, you should try the three fan documentaries on the OT, Star Wars Begins, Building Empire, and Returning To Jedi. They're really well put-together, and have some information/pictures/video that even I wasn't aware of. It's a shame no one really seems to have heard of them (I even linked to them recently here but nada), and they're on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 1) Because he's hilarious.2) Because his analysis is actually quite brilliant. In this review, for instance, the way he uses the ending of A New Hope as a prophetic device that foreshadows Lucas's own fall from his early ideals is like a final, unerring condemnation of everything the prequels represent.I could do without the extra "Nadine" story garbage (thankfully there's a lot less in this one than the last), but the rest of it is gold. His perspective on character and story alone could be used to teach seminars on the most effective way to write and direct movies.I agree.I would like to see a KOTCS review from the guy. That could be interesting because there's lots of potentially awesome material in the film, but the films fails to get to it again and again and again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I liked the prequels, and quite frankly don't care what people say otherwise.But I cannot stand this guy....much like other star wars fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I liked the prequels, and quite frankly don't care what people say otherwise.I don't understand. Surely people don't say you don't like the prequels.But I cannot stand this guy....much like other star wars fans.Do you mean other SW fans can't stand this guy or that you can't stand other SW fans like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He means he can't stand him because he pokes fun at the rubbish PT.But I cannot stand this guy....much like other star wars fans.I think he's funny and smart, plus I'm a SW fan. I hate the prequels, though.Maybe that's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I enjoyed the reviews very much. Plinkett didn't just point out the fundamental flaws of the Prequels; he also highlighted the strengths - the succesful story and character mechanics - of the original films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 An unbiased, balanced internet critic??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Like the rest of us, Plinkett loves to hate the PT. His reviews are funny because we relate, we share his frustration, we shake our fists at Lucas in unison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Plinkett (or should I say Red Letter Media) is one of the best reviewers on the web. A lot of people can say that the prequels suck, and a lot of people have, but few can go so into depth about exactly why and present it in a compelling and often (darkly) hilarious way. I would like for him to tackle a good film, just to stretch the proverbial muscles. It is generally easier to point out the flaws than to point out the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I would like for him to tackle a good film, just to stretch the proverbial muscles. It is generally easier to point out the flaws than to point out the good.This would be interesting. Not to mention that pointing out the flaws in the prequels is like shooting fish in a barrel. But then that's kind of the internet in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He did Trek '09, gave it a pretty positive review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He did Trek '09, gave it a pretty positive review.True, but he did while acknowledging what the film was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I liked the prequels, and quite frankly don't care what people say otherwise.But I cannot stand this guy....much like other star wars fans.Other prequel fans, you mean. Most of us are huge Star Wars fans. If he'd made a trilogy more in the true style of Star Wars, people would've enjoyed them more.He addresses folks like you in his Ep. III review. I don't think he gives much of a rip what you guys think of him, either.But you're entirely entitled to your opinion on both. No one would argue that.It just seems redundant given the entire internet has spent the last eleven years pulling the prequels apart.It might be redundant if the rest of the internet saw what he sees. But he points out fundamental problems--and does so with monumental clarity, precision, and argumentative strength--that I've never heard anyone else articulate. His comparison between the prequels and Citizen Kane, for instance, is brilliant. I've seen both movies any number of times, but never caught the direct reflection not only in the stories but in how Lucas paralleled the specific images. His editing skills are phenomenal. And his general approach is also just plain friggin' funny. Not just the slow, dumbed-down delivery, but his insights as well. “Ladies and gentlemen, if you’ve ever wondered how a war would be run by disorganized hippies . . . here it is.” ROTFLMAO Then there's the fact that some of us simply never get tired of pulling the prequels apart. . . .Does he do positive reviews or just negative? Is there a two-hour one on how much The Godfather rocks? You could say his presentation of the original trilogy, as well as Citizen Kane, counts as a positive review of those works. He uses their exceptionalism as a sharp conrast to the prequels' bumbling failures. But he has done positive reviews in their own right as well. Check out his take on the newest Star Trek film, in which he shows:a) How well J.J. Abrams did with what was given to himb) How TPM remains one of the great movies in the seriesc) Why the "trilogy" within the series did well (though also what their shortcomings were)d) Why pretty much the rest of the series--and the TNG films in particular--blew itThat's the thing about Plinkett, see: if he didn't understand what makes a great film great, he couldn't recognize what makes a bad film suck. That he does the latter so well shows how sharp he is with the former. He may play an idiot, but it takes a smart man to do that as well as he does.And ultimately, some of us just love a good roast. Roger Ebert's four-star reviews are eloquent and passionately drawn, but they're not nearly as much fun as his reviews for terrible movies. He's got two books devoted solely to the films he's raked hard (I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie and Your Movie Sucks) which are pure literary gold. - Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He did Trek '09, gave it a pretty positive review.True, but he did while acknowledging what the film was.Which is a very dumb, loud, blinding action movie. The whole exploring space and meeting aliens thing wouldn't work out for the modern audiences, I guess. Everyone has to fight, shoot, strangle, blow up and die. Star Trek in name only.I got the feeling in the review than while he acknowledged the entertainment and the general slickness of the movie, he also felt as Star Trek it was shit. It's another in a long line of reboots and remakes of old properties for stupid people willing to shell out 10+ bucks to see...fighting, shooting, strangling, blowing up and death. As long as it's got a recognizable brand name, Michael Bay style filmmaking, pounding MV-ish music and complete over-dependence on computers, you're set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 In terms of watching something else, you should try the three fan documentaries on the OT, Star Wars Begins, Building Empire, and Returning To Jedi. They're really well put-together, and have some information/pictures/video that even I wasn't aware of. It's a shame no one really seems to have heard of them (I even linked to them recently here but nada), and they're on Youtube.I found them over at Topless Robot days before you posted them here, but didn't really feel like posting them here. They are excellent, but they are two completely different types of fan film. All together.Jambe Davdar's films are documentaries that concentrate on the technical and historical aspects of the films, with emphasis on behind the scenes footage, interviews and voiceovers, and occasionally showing footage of scenes that were cut, such as Biggs and Luke at Anchorhead or the captured wampas in Echo Base. He very rarely mentions the character or storyline aspects of the film, even though he could shower us with in-universe factoids of who's who during all the down time. His movies are largely objective and opinion-free. And they are excellent.Plinkett's are all opinion. Anyone who hates his videos is just trying to get people to ignore the large pink elephant in the corner.Which is a very dumb, loud, blinding action movie. The whole exploring space and meeting aliens thing wouldn't work out for the modern audiences, I guess. Everyone has to fight, shoot, strangle, blow up and die. Star Trek in name only.I got the feeling in the review than while he acknowledged the entertainment and the general slickness of the movie, he also felt as Star Trek it was shit. It's another in a long line of reboots and remakes of old properties for stupid people willing to shell out 10+ bucks to see...fighting, shooting, strangling, blowing up and death. As long as it's got a recognizable brand name, Michael Bay style filmmaking, pounding MV-ish music and complete over-dependence on computers, you're set.Did it ever occur to you that while you get a gleeful hard-on from bashing Star Trek 2009, that Star Trek II -- largely considered the greatest of all Star Trek films -- is also just that: fighting, shooting, strangling, blowing up and death.No exploring space. No new aliens (except the kinds that dig into your ear).We got exploring space in 1979. We got meeting aliens in 1979. It was widely panned.Then we got Star Trek II, its run-and-gun sequel. Star Trek III used the same basic formula to continue the story. IV had some fun.Then we got exploring space in and meeting aliens in 1987. It was the greatest of all Star Trek films and remains a classic to this very day a complete and utter disaster.Save your exploring space and meeting aliens for the Star Trek TV shows. Oh I'm sorry, too bad there aren't any. Enterprise -- exploring space and meeting aliens -- took care of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 They are excellent, but they are two completely different types of fan film. All together.Everybody: "They are excellent, but they are two completely different types of fan film."Then we got exploring space in and meeting aliens in 1987. It was the greatest of all Star Trek films and remains a classic to this very day a complete and utter disaster.You said everything well, but this was masterfully put.- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 .I don't understand. Surely people don't say you don't like the prequels.I meant the people who tell me about the quality of them. Shoulda worded it better I suppose.He means he can't stand him because he pokes fun at the rubbish PT.I mean I can't stand him because he's like a million other SW fans that feel the need to piss and moan about the prequels to this day. You hate them, cool, sorry they didn't live up to what you wanted, but damn time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 But it's fun to make fun of them, sorry. If it wasn't for the PT, the internet would cease to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Make fun of em' all you want. I'll be the one sticking up for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Make fun of em' all you want. I'll be the one sticking up for them. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Been doing it for almost 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Save your exploring space and meeting aliens for the Star Trek TV shows. Oh I'm sorry, too bad there aren't any. Enterprise -- exploring space and meeting aliens -- took care of that.I've never seen the exploration Trek films but I disagree. You could have a cool adventure film about exploration with action and all. Using the special effects of today to create stuff we haven't ever seen. But I doubt they'll do that because they would have to invent new stories, and studios are scared of that.Do you know this film of 2009 that earned SO much money? Regardless of the plot and the characters, we spent a big deal of the film exploring an alien Earth-like world with big blue native Americans in it. I mean, Roddenberry's 'paralell Earths' concept, anyone?Star Trek, time to wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 If that movie was called Star Trek: Avatar, cinema goers would have preferred to see Alvin and the Chipmonks 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People went to see one that was called just Star Trek. Hmmm, interesting.Let's cook a recipe. Take Star Trek. Put the characters in an adventure in deep space not linked to anything else in ST. Use allegory like District 9 and action like Avatar. Make the characters solve a huge problem, involving a McGuffin. For this use a structure like Indiana Jones, with some charismatic villain and all. Make up some surprising alien concepts to shock the audience. You're allowed to be scary (think, how would the characters work with situations like Alien but in an universe like ST?). Put some unexpected twist at the end. Happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People went to see one that was called just Star Trek. Hmmm, interesting.Word of mouth got around that it was good for meth addicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I actually like Episode 3, but I'll never see it the same way now. His criticism is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Mr. Plinkett reviews KOTCS - More depraved than ever!Go here for the review.Interesting points as usual, but what surprised me was what he actually liked about the film, including Shia LaBeouf and a few things about the setting. He also offers some neat suggestions that you'd think any script doctor would have brought up. Actually, someone needs to hire him as a script doctor! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thanks! I love Red Letter Media! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I'll check it out, I've been waiting for this for ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Better read it soon. If this SOPA bill passes that's the type of things I fully expect to be yanked from the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I guess he could get away with it by replacing every scene shown from the movie with his own drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Can they shut you down for plagiarism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 From what I read it gives them the power to shut you down for whatever reason they feel like . It's pretty easy to file a copyright claim without having to justify it or prove anything, which is essentially what this bill is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Could they shut down recipe sites if they share Bolognaise recipes the same as seen in The Godfather and Goodfellas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 You bet.Wasn't there recently a case of Universal removing a hip-hop song celebrating Megaupload, a work they didn't have anything to do with, whatsoever? The clue of the story was that google/youtube gave them a master password, thus enabling them to delete content as they see fit. 'Yes, we can', indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Just be sure to put a ™ or a © after a title or character every time you mention them in a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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