Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 They're both good scores but John Barry in general doesn't do much for me.John Barry doesn't do much, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The Blue Max by Jerry GoldsmithQB VII by Jerry Goldsmith crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Yep, those are two of his absolute crappiest scores. They have nothing going for them... Don't know what JB was thinking when he wrote them. Give me the modern masterpieces any day of the week. I can't detect a shred of sarcasm in your post. You should be ashamed of yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 "You can't be fooled again!"Classic Bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 They're both good scores but John Barry in general doesn't do much for me.John Barry doesn't do much, period.Well, not any more, anyway. . . .But if one of his best Bond scores and what is arguably the masterpiece of his career can't get through to you? Yeah, that brain exam might just be in order. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,371 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 John Barry - Dances With WolvesThe 2004 expanded release is on Spotify, so I listened to that. Great score, with great themes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Two Socks' theme is really moving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The Dove by John BarryEarlier listened to Old Boyfriends by David ShireKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The Blue Max by Jerry GoldsmithQB VII by Jerry GoldsmithWhich "QB VII", the OST, or the re-recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 John Barry - Dances With WolvesThe 2004 expanded release is on Spotify, so I listened to that. Great score, with great themes!Finally someone with all his marbles present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,371 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The Phantom Menace by John WilliamsI listened to the OST on Spotify. Wow, i haven't listened to this in AGES. It's actually a really nice OST, a very nice selection of music. If you had never seen the film or hear the other half of the score, you really wouldn't have much to complain about.Another funny thing is I found myself in my head "filling in the gaps" of all the music Williams snipped out. Like in my head I'd continue on with the full cue of a microedited bit, or go right to the next intended cue if Williams cut off a track at the end of a cue intended to segue to another.... guess the longer score is much more ingrained in my head that this version.Man, there is some great music in this score. How cool is The Droid Battle?I also love love love the way the DOTF motif is worked into film cues, like that track, and the Qui-Gon's noble end track. Brilliant stuff Bespin and Faleel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Barry is unparalleled when it comes to themes Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,371 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think the John Dunbar theme is going to be in my head all weekend now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 As for the TPM OST. Yeah its a decent selection of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,371 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I remember listening to it nonstop in the summer of 1999.It wasn't until I figured out how to hack into the TPM video game and saw the film a few more times that I realized how many cool Force Theme statements weren't on the OST... among many other highlights.Thus JWFan was born.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I can remember seeing the film and not understanding how so many cues be out of order. Also lots of great music missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The Blue Max by Jerry GoldsmithQB VII by Jerry GoldsmithWhich "QB VII", the OST, or the re-recording?The re-recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The Perfect Storm - James HornerThis one's quite good isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted May 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2015 Both are (STELLAIRE III is the shortest and most eloquent summation of questing 'out there' music i've ver heard). PERFECT STORM sounds as if somebody stood at Horner's shoulder constantly yelling 'MORE!' when he composed it, it's so hell-bent on melodies and grand schmaltzy adventure gestures you can only marvel at Horner's craft (the beginning of 'The Decision to turn around' still gets me hard after all these years). MISSION TO MARS - Ennio MorriconeIf not for a suspicious amount of self-pilgrimage ('Secret of the Sahara' - The Mountain in particular), MISSION TO MARS would proudly stand its place not too far down the short Best-of-2000's list. Morricone does what the always does: providing a purely idiosyncratic reading on the big themes of space travel and the question what there is out there. What in 2000 might have turned people off, especially when fed on slickster work like APOLLO 13 and the likes now seems like a breath of fresh air, especially in sci-fi that nowadays mostly releases violent temp-trackeritis or has regressed into pure sound design with hardly a musical thought in sight.Morricone's set-up seems fairly simple: huge string orchestra, female chorus, some chirpy synths, baroque brass, this dreaded organ which so turned moviegoers off with its dare to try something beyond noble trumpet solos and the effortless integration of concert-hall dialectics (just listen to 'Sacrifice of a Hero' after the 3-minute mark) are anything but.What it accomplishes is i guess taking you on a journey that is exclusively tied to that one character who just experiences space travel for the first time - the already mentioned 'Sacrifice' cue after the 06:50 mark with its strong pastoral feeling confirms this, it's like a sudden intrusion of memories from earth while floating in the vast unknown, gravity-free space.The 60-minutes of score on the soundtrack sadly are not in order but in the movie Morricone subtly and gradually liberates his earthbound strings into what now is considered on of world's worst sci-fi music moments, the organ stuff (that wouldn't even have occurred to me if other listeners wouldn't have constantly complained about it) and baroque trumpets heralding a successful conquest that is then silenced by a return to the soft main theme, the journey's end in a perfect moment of reflection. It's just a wonderful score - one could write a thesis on it, really - and if there is one thing i never 'forgave' Filmtracks, it's the daft/rustic dress-down of this score, treating Morricone as if he was a retarded child in need of pity ('Well, at least you tried, boy' - pat on the back). Dixon Hill, Marian Schedenig, Romão and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The Perfect Storm is one such rare album where the full 80 minutes doesn't feel too long. There's so much going on thematically and the excitement is pretty much constant. Some good material not on the album though that I would love to hear in a complete presentation. The score's the icing on the cake of a great decade of Horner classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 At the time it was regarded as a bit of a lame duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 At the time it was seen as an equivalent of Williams' The Patriot from the same year. Extremely competent and enjoyable but tired.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I never looked at it this way. There was a refinement, if you will, amidst all the plagiarism and eye-rolling recycling of Horner's going on after TITANIC - for me, the following scores are (flawed) pieces with all at least having two or three cues or ideas in them that are pure masterstrokes of Hollywood mainstream music:- MIGHTY JOE YOUNG > cute Di$ney stuff, a bit repetitive but full of thematic and motivic ideas and orchestral timbres- PERFECT STORM > really Horner's own sea symphony, much too repetitive and full of schmaltzy americana but impossible not to love if you are a sucker for wistful musical storytelling, it's like bathing in a sea of molten Reese's pieces; you will fall into diabetic coma but the occasion was very well worth it- ENEMY AT THE GATES > Horner's ode to the russians, colossal construction, too repetitive (of course) but again, the wealth of operatic material is staggering- A BEAUTIFUL MIND > the darker material seems simple on the surface but it's so effective it hurts- THE FOUR FEATHERS > a lot of meandering but 'The Mahdi' and 'Escape' should be on any Horner playlist- THE MISSING > actually the least of those, more like a refined re-writing of LEGENDS OF THE FALL and THUNDERHEART; it's actually a 'better' score than LOTF because it's not just baroque mush but balances that with much more inventive atmospheric (not spheric) materialAfter that, Horner really slipped into a more forgettable career phase. I don't think we will ever again hear something from him that improves on his repertory. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Both are (STELLAIRE III is the shortest and most eloquent summation of questing 'out there' music i've ver heard). PERFECT STORM sounds as if somebody stood at Horner's shoulder constantly yelling 'MORE!' when he composed it, it's so hell-bent on melodies and grand schmaltzy adventure gestures you can only marvel at Horner's craft (the beginning of 'The Decision to turn around' still gets me hard after all these years). MISSION TO MARS - Ennio MorriconeIf not for a suspicious amount of self-pilgrimage ('Secret of the Sahara' - The Mountain in particular), MISSION TO MARS would proudly stand its place not too far down the short Best-of-2000's list. Morricone does what the always does: providing a purely idiosyncratic reading on the big themes of space travel and the question what there is out there. What in 2000 might have turned people off, especially when fed on slickster work like APOLLO 13 and the likes now seems like a breath of fresh air, especially in sci-fi that nowadays mostly releases violent temp-trackeritis or has regressed into pure sound design with hardly a musical thought in sight.Morricone's set-up seems fairly simple: huge string orchestra, female chorus, some chirpy synths, baroque brass, this dreaded organ which so turned moviegoers off with its dare to try something beyond noble trumpet solos and the effortless integration of concert-hall dialectics (just listen to 'Sacrifice of a Hero' after the 3-minute mark) are anything but.What it accomplishes is i guess taking you on a journey that is exclusively tied to that one character who just experiences space travel for the first time - the already mentioned 'Sacrifice' cue after the 06:50 mark with its strong pastoral feeling confirms this, it's like a sudden intrusion of memories from earth while floating in the vast unknown, gravity-free space.The 60-minutes of score on the soundtrack sadly are not in order but in the movie Morricone subtly and gradually liberates his earthbound strings into what now is considered on of world's worst sci-fi music moments, the organ stuff (that wouldn't even have occurred to me if other listeners wouldn't have constantly complained about it) and baroque trumpets heralding a successful conquest that is then silenced by a return to the soft main theme, the journey's end in a perfect moment of reflection. It's just a wonderful score - one could write a thesis on it, really - and if there is one thing i never 'forgave' Filmtracks, it's the daft/rustic dress-down of this score, treating Morricone as if he was a retarded child in need of pity ('Well, at least you tried, boy' - pat on the back). Great post! This is my favorite Morricone score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Mine too. Absolutely love it. And it's easy to put into the right order if you're into that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The only thing that bothers me is somewhat cheap sounding synths in some cues. Other than that, I really like the music as written.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I thought it was weird until I heard some of his concert music and electronic noodling there. It's a product of his era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I never looked at it this way. There was a refinement, if you will, amidst all the plagiarism and eye-rolling recycling of Horner's going on after TITANIC - for me, the following scores are (flawed) pieces with all at least having two or three cues or ideas in them that are pure masterstrokes of Hollywood mainstream music:- MIGHTY JOE YOUNG > cute Di$ney stuff, a bit repetitive but full of thematic and motivic ideas and orchestral timbres- PERFECT STORM > really Horner's own sea symphony, much too repetitive and full of schmaltzy americana but impossible not to love if you are a sucker for wistful musical storytelling, it's like bathing in a sea of molten Reese's pieces; you will fall into diabetic coma but the occasion was very well worth it- ENEMY AT THE GATES > Horner's ode to the russians, colossal construction, too repetitive (of course) but again, the wealth of operatic material is staggering- A BEAUTIFUL MIND > the darker material seems simple on the surface but it's so effective it hurts- THE FOUR FEATHERS > a lot of meandering but 'The Mahdi' and 'Escape' should be on any Horner playlist- THE MISSING > actually the least of those, more like a refined re-writing of LEGENDS OF THE FALL and THUNDERHEART; it's actually a 'better' score than LOTF because it's not just baroque mush but balances that with much more inventive atmospheric (not spheric) materialAfter that, Horner really slipped into a more forgettable career phase. I don't think we will ever again hear something from him that improves on his repertory.I don't know, pub. Always felt this was one of the weakest parts of Horner's career and it started to improve with... The Missing.So there you go, we're going nowhere here. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I mostly knew Sarde from his pretty score for La guerre du feu, so now I have a few more scores to look for publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I don't know, pub. Always felt this was one of the weakest parts of Horner's career and it started to improve with... The Missing.He writes the same stuff now, only more tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Panic Room (Shore) - I'm not sure how this one's escaped me for so long. It's quite possibly Shore's darkest score - even Se7en and The Cell sound comparatively warm - and there isn't much in the way of thematic material, but there's still a lot to recommend. The orchestra (weirdly lacking trumpets, unless those are muted trumpets in "Caution - Flammable") swirls and seethes through a thirty-minute album that, unlike most score albums of that length, really isn't too short. There are few scores I can think of that so deliciously communicate fear as effectively as this. Really, what a shame Fincher doesn't still use Shore. His recent films would have been much better with something even resembling competent music.The Spongebob Movie: Sponge Out of Water (Debney) - Sponge Out of Water goes in the direction of fun nearly as far as Panic Room goes in the direction of fear with a lovely throwback to swashbucklers of a bygone era. While it loses steam as the album progresses, the highlight tracks (1,3,4) have a dare-I-say Williamsian flair to them. On another note, these might be the worst track titles I've ever seen.Also, these two scores work surprisingly well in a shuffled playlist together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I don't know, pub. Always felt this was one of the weakest parts of Horner's career and it started to improve with... The Missing.He writes the same stuff now, only less tired.Fixed! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 - THE FOUR FEATHERS > a lot of meandering but 'The Mahdi' and 'Escape' should be on any Horner playlist The Mahdi is a tremendous cue... one of his very best long epics. - THE MISSING > actually the least of those, more like a refined re-writing of LEGENDS OF THE FALL and THUNDERHEART; it's actually a 'better' score than LOTF because it's not just baroque mush but balances that with much more inventive atmospheric (not spheric) material Let's just say our tastes are opposed when it comes to Legends and Missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Let's just say our tastes are opposed when it comes to Legends and Missing.No. Yours is wrong... I don't know, pub. Always felt this was one of the weakest parts of Horner's career and it started to improve with... The Missing.He writes the same stuff now, only less tired.Fixed! KarolYou are so...childish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Perhaps.Anyway, have you heard The Dove from Intrada? I rather like it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I have it on some old compilation, main theme seems more than enough, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 What about Old Boyfriends? That is worth your time. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Undecided. I can't say i really get the 'tone'. Sounds a bit like a late 70's tv opening. Sadly the second youtube link is forbidden in Germany and my Proxmate doesn't work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Panic Room (Shore) - I'm not sure how this one's escaped me for so long. It's quite possibly Shore's darkest score - even Se7en and The Cell sound comparatively warm - and there isn't much in the way of thematic material, but there's still a lot to recommend. The orchestra (weirdly lacking trumpets, unless those are muted trumpets in "Caution - Flammable") swirls and seethes through a thirty-minute album that, unlike most score albums of that length, really isn't too short. There are few scores I can think of that so deliciously communicate fear as effectively as this. Really, what a shame Fincher doesn't still use Shore. His recent films would have been much better with something even resembling competent music.The Spongebob Movie: Sponge Out of Water (Debney) - Sponge Out of Water goes in the direction of fun nearly as far as Panic Room goes in the direction of fear with a lovely throwback to swashbucklers of a bygone era. While it loses steam as the album progresses, the highlight tracks (1,3,4) have a dare-I-say Williamsian flair to them. On another note, these might be the worst track titles I've ever seen.Also, these two scores work surprisingly well in a shuffled playlist together.Panic Room is an underrated film and score. Signature Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Undecided. I can't say i really get the 'tone'. Sounds a bit like a late 70's tv opening. Sadly the second youtube link is forbidden in Germany and my Proxmate doesn't work...Check out the samples at Intrada.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Thanks..but no sell. This flowery melodramatic style is totally out of my league. Though for the record, i dig Shire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Have you heard his The Journey Inside? It's probably among his grandest scores and pretty conventional one in that respect. One of this two chances to write for big orchestra. It's brief but really nice.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Mmmh. Much too chipper. I dig RETURN TO OZ, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,371 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Also, these two scores work surprisingly well in a shuffled playlist together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Mmmh. Much too chipper. I dig RETURN TO OZ, though. Why so grouchy? There's no satisfying you lately. Don't you love me anymore?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Mission to Mars by Ennio Morricone: Quite interesting throughout and certainly a refreshingly different way of handling the scoring of exploration of space in the noughties yet remains oddly unsatisfying as a whole. I vastly prefer the middle portion of the score with the suspense material with synth and choir than the sandwiching statements of the main theme, which sounds to me like it belongs into the 1980s (in a good way). Overture from El Cid (Tadlow re-recording) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Why so grouchy? There's no satisfying you lately. Don't you love me anymore?Just suggest music that pleases me and all will be well again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Pub, if you like "Return To Oz", then you might like "The Hindenberg". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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