Potterdom Film/Score Series Thread

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

polyjuice potion in snape's sperm or something...you know...king arthur style. quidditch...well, it can't be proven its 'inherited' =P

[MSM 126]

Doesn't really explain why Snape hated Harry though, does it.

Snape thinks Harry is James' son of course.

Well the film did raise that possibility for a while.

Exactly, but even in the books it could be a possibility.

Or why Harry inherited James' Quidditch talent and looks.

Actually the skinny look with his wild hair as described in the book could well fit Snape's son.

[crocodile 8,017]

Snape thinks Harry is James' son of course.

That's kind of lame still thing to do for an intelligent chap like Snape. Besides, he's still hating a child of his only true love. Distancing himself I can understand, but that was a bit uncalled for.

Karol

[Jeff 10]

It's an interesting thought that Harry is Snape's son, but the books never really give that idea any traction. Snape hates Harry because he knows he is James' son - he obviously didn't have an opportunity to father a child with Lily because she distanced herself from him once he got involved in the dark arts. Harry has the same untidy hair as James, not the greasy, slick hair of Snape. The Quidditch thing would be a complete stretch for the son of Snape.

Plus, although James is often portrayed as arrogant and flawed, Lily is always shown to be a decent, compassionate person. It would destroy her image if she were unfaithful to James. And lastly, Harry named his oldest son James, which negates the point that he was naming Albus Severus after his father.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I never claimed that Snape is his father. But the way the film is shot it could be a possibility. But I'm sure that was not intended by the film makers. They just often seem to assume that the audience has read the book, so they don't need to fill all the blanks. This is a big flaw of all the later Potter films.

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I never claimed that Snape is his father. But the way the film is shot it could be a possibility. But I'm sure that was not intended by the film makers. They just often seem to assume that the audience has read the book, so they don't need to fill all the blanks. This is a big flaw of all the later Potter films.

That is absolutely true. However, I think this is much less of an issue in DH Pt.2. If they were gonna exclude so much information, maybe they should have just made all the films after GoF into two parters, even if the first three directors were able to competently adapt the books, despite being shorter.

[MSM 126]

It's an interesting thought that Harry is Snape's son, but the books never really give that idea any traction. Snape hates Harry because he knows he is James' son - he obviously didn't have an opportunity to father a child with Lily because she distanced herself from him once he got involved in the dark arts. Harry has the same untidy hair as James, not the greasy, slick hair of Snape. The Quidditch thing would be a complete stretch for the son of Snape.

Plus, although James is often portrayed as arrogant and flawed, Lily is always shown to be a decent, compassionate person. It would destroy her image if she were unfaithful to James. And lastly, Harry named his oldest son James, which negates the point that he was naming Albus Severus after his father.

I never claimed it either, but brought it up just as an interesting thought. It might be unlikely, but it cannot be ruled out neither in the books or the films.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

Uhm, the books are pretty clear about Harry being James and Lily's son.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

But the last movie, for a time goes the other way. Unintentional of course.

[MSM 126]

Uhm, the books are pretty clear about Harry being James and Lily's son.

Books can be misleading.

[Jeff 10]

I never claimed that Snape is his father. But the way the film is shot it could be a possibility. But I'm sure that was not intended by the film makers. They just often seem to assume that the audience has read the book, so they don't need to fill all the blanks. This is a big flaw of all the later Potter films.

As I watched Part 2, the thought crossed my mind that Snape could be Harry's father, so I agree with you that the film may (intentionally or not) lead the audience to believe or at least consider that possibility. I was just adding my evidence for the sake of a casual reader who may have stumbled on this thread and bought into the theory.

[gkgyver 1,645]

"Don't talk about my father like this!"

"Harry, I *am* your father."

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Half an hour in to OOTP.

Everyone has shorter hair again.

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

"Don't talk about my father like this!"

"Harry, I *am* your father."

Brilliant!

[gkgyver 1,645]

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I enjoy all the hype of Alan Rickman for best supporting actor. I read Daniel Radcliffe is campaigning for him. I doubt he'll be nominated and I don't know if anyone thinks he deserves a nod, but I love Rickman, so yay!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

On the basis of his work in the entire series, i would say yes. But in each of those films he's really only there for a few minutes.

[Taikomochi 1,136]

The oscars don't care about the brevity of a performance. I've seen shorter performances be nominated like Viola Davis for Doubt. In any case, I think his character had a large influence and presence in the film.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes, but this is a Harry Potter film. The Academy would rather be caught nominating transsexual porn then to nominate a Harry potter film for anything but technical categories.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Maybe "This Ain't Harry Potter".

[Taikomochi 1,136]

Yes, but this is a Harry Potter film. The Academy would rather be caught nominating transsexual porn then to nominate a Harry potter film for anything but technical categories.

True. However, I'll remain hopeful. People said the same thing about comic book movie before The Dark Knight won best supporting actor. It's still fairly unlikely, but I would like to see it happen.

[indy4 155]

Yes, but this is a Harry Potter film. The Academy would rather be caught nominating transsexual porn then to nominate a Harry potter film for anything but technical categories.

But honestly, has Harry Potter ever deserved to be nominated for anything other than technical categories or music? I don't blame a bias in the Academy for largely ignoring the Potter films, I blame the quality of the films (good but not great). I think this is the first Potter film with an Oscar-worthy performance.

[King Mark 3,631]

Saw Deathly Hallow part 2

Loved it

[MSM 126]

Saw Deathly Hallow part 2

Loved it

You can leave your review in the reviews thread if you like.

[paleo 63]

I'm starting to really, really like the score to Deathly Hallows 2; it's definitely growing on me. And yes, I even enjoy much of the battle music. It often doesn't quite go where I'd like it to, but it gets very close. Looking forward to watching the movie again and hear the unreleased cues, now that I know the album better.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

20 minutes into HBP. Already lots of shots of dark alleyways, rain. The Weasley house use to be in a field filled with trees, now it's a cornfield.

Very fortunate Potter just happen to stumble upon Draco and his mum when they did not wish to be followed.

[Wojo 2,453]

The Weasley house use to be in a field filled with trees, now it's a cornfield.

When Voldemort comes back to power, he cuts off all import of food from the mainland, so many forests are cut down to create farmland to feed the Brits.

Didn't you read the books?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

LOL

David Yates does seem to prefer flat landscapes. His films have some really beautiful vista's .

I like how Draco has gone from the annoying posh boy to a deeply troubling young man, carrying a heavy burden.

Jim Broadbent is rather marvelous and the world's most boring man.

Dumbledore has gone all Machiavellian...

[MSM 126]

Just thought of the following: if they would have changed the fact in HBP that the locket they find was the real Horcrux instead of a fake one, DH could have easily been one movie. The ministry sequence in DH1 was quite pointless and it would justify a bit more why Dumbledore died.

[crocodile 8,017]

I have an idea. We could delete HBP movie and insert some scenes into DH1. Or delete films 2-6 altogether and just use some scenes and title cards "some years later". It's not like we need those.

Karol

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

Anyone else think the Statues scene worked really well with the MV music?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What is the statues scene again?

Why does the Room of Requirement look so very different from the last film?

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

McGonnadnssdsdsd beckons the statues to help defend Hogwarts. Statues proudly walk around all noble like with Hogwarts history flowing through their rocky armor.

Some fluff like that.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Radcliffe is very good as the slightly drunk on liquid luck Harry Potter

[Joe Brausam 214]

McGonnadnssdsdsd beckons the statues to help defend Hogwarts. Statues proudly walk around all noble like with Hogwarts history flowing through their rocky armor.

Some fluff like that.

It really was effective, I think. Generally I've found that MV style cues tend to be effective in films, but aren't really rewarding to listen to on the albums.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Hooper's theme for the Death Eaters is very MV like too. Simple string chords, but without Zimmer's sound design.

[Joe Brausam 214]

It's always interesting to hear different composers not known for that style trying to adapt it into their scores. Not that it's a trend that I like, but it's interesting.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

I mean, Desplat sneaks in some wonderful frenzy in the background...mixed in low, but just enough to provide this ethereal texture that certainly rises above the equivalent cue in an MV score.

[Demodex 557]

What does 'MV' mean?

[Joe Brausam 214]

Media Ventures - Hans Zimmer's old music production company. It's now Remote Control Productions.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

It refers to Media Ventures, now known as Remote Control Productions.

MV when used on this message board in reference to music generally implies music that is emotionally obvious, generally propelled by deep rumbling low instruments with mid-range instruments usually playing a simple and noble but solemn melody above it. This is generally pleasant music to those born in the 80s and 90s because it shares a lot of characteristics with the pop sound of that time period.

Generally speaking the music, while emotionally rewarding (to our younger ears), tends to be mentally unfulfilling. To those older and wiser, whose musical environment was substantially different from kids of the 80s, this music is neither mentally fulfilling nor even emotionally fulfilling.

Think of it as musical junk food for people who are raised on the junk food of the 80s and 90s.

Those of us who grew up with it recognize it as horrible, but there is a part of us that finds its familiarity satisfying. And then there are those who had different junk food growing up, and to them there is no familiarity AND it's horrible.

[Jay 37,368]

Unless we're discussing something to do with La-La Land Records, in which case MV stands for MV Gerhard, one of the owners

[Demodex 557]

Thanks.

[Laserschwert 475]

But what does the MV in "MV Gerhard" stand for?

[Wojo 2,453]

Michael V.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

The V stands for Voldemort.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I thought it stood for Virgin.

[Jay 37,368]

The confusing / weird part is that hte label is run by MV Gerhard and Matt Verboys - so MV could be either one. Since the FSM message board account is just called "la la land records" and he always signs off with "MV", I originally thought it could be either one of them posting... but over the years its been made clear its always MV..., er, Michael V, that is

[MSM 126]

To get back on topic:

What I still do not understand from Deathly Hallows, neither from the book and the movies, is the question if Harry wins his duel with Voldemort because he is 'just' the true master of the Elder Wand, or because of the fact he 'owns' all of the three Relics.

The latter would be logical, because it would really make him the master of Death, the ultimate protection against Voldemort. And the fact that he has inherited the cloak and obtains the stone from Dumbledore shows that the story builds up to the point that Harry needs all three of them.

On the other hand, why does he drop the stone in the forest (both in book and movie)? And where is the cloak at the moment supreme? It is like Rowling on second thought decided that it would be only the wand that matters.

[Wojo 2,453]

The confusing / weird part is that hte label is run by MV Gerhard and Matt Verboys - so MV could be either one. Since the FSM message board account is just called "la la land records" and he always signs off with "MV", I originally thought it could be either one of them posting... but over the years its been made clear its always MV..., er, Michael V, that is

Can we get back on topic?

I think what is referred to as MV style (Media Ventures that is) is not purposefully meant to be a style. It just the most straightforward and fastest way to write an action cue, since in the essence it is just a melody with harmonisation with a strong focus on rhythmic drive. If he melody or the harmonisation is not especially authentic those cues tend to sound very similar.

The topic is "Potterdom Film/Score Series Thread." In sixteen words or less, but permitting the use of colors and large household objects, can you please explain how explaining the style of MV conforms to that topic?