chuck 154 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Has anyone seen this yet?An in-depth look of Hans Zimmer's fabled drum circle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 So basically Zimmer wants total encapsulation, and no subtlety whatsoever. At least that came across perfectly well in the score It could have been interesting had he not drowned them in his usual droning brass, and really made the percussion its own thing.And what the hell is wrong with a solo violin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Wow, I thought the whole string section is more "in your face" compared to a solo violin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 So these guys are famous for hitting drums?Yep. More specifically, the eardrums. A. A. Ron and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 I saw the film last week, and the only thing I really noticed about the score while watching was the 2 note piano theme that kept popping up, and the loud pounding drums for the action scenes. The weird thing was that the drums almost acted like a theme, except that the same theme was used when Superman was doing something good, or the bad guys were doing something bad, or whatever. The score is a lazy mess. Offline 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 It was composed by Hans Zimmer, Jason. Offline 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 That Hans Zimmer = lazy mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The last POTC score was a lazy mess. The last Batman score was a lazy mess..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 I never said I was expecting anything better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offline 29 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I agree the score was extremely lazy. And I noticed exactly what you noticed Jason, the only things that I actually noticed and found interesting....were just played over and over and OVER and OVER. It's one thing to have a theme and do variations, but when it's the EXACT same thing every single time you hear it, it gets very lazy. Star Trek used it's main theme a lot in Into Darkness, I heard that...complaint? But the difference with the theme in Star Trek is that, it had a LOT of variations in between the couple that sound quite similar, and plus you know, Giacchino isn't lazy. I don't know, I really don't get what Zimmer was trying to do with the score, I really don't. Also, yeah, what the hell is wrong with a solo violin (is he forgetting that he utilizing a solo violin in Angels and Demons?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Yeah, and in probably the best cue in the entire score (the climax in St Peter's Square). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Was this posted already? If not: Lots of strings, brass, drums and what looks like, zithers? I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I always thought that Savas was pronounced SHAV-ASS, and that Chaac was pronounced SHARK. Oh, well...I might get rapped in the mouth for this, but...I rather like "MOS". I have played it twice, now, which is once more than I have played "Lincoln", and twice more than I have played "War Horse".I have yet to see the film, so I reacting to it as pure music, and all I can say is that it kind of works as a symphonic suite. No, it's not "Superman", and no it's not JW. It is a different score for a different re-telling of the story. After all these years of disliking Zimmer's music, I am now prepared to take his scores on their own merits.As for Blood's comment about the people being famous for hitting the drums: Jim Keltner, and Vinnie Colaiuta are two of THE greatest percussionists ever to bestride this planet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 all I can say is that it kind of works as a symphonic suite. Can i have some of whatever you were smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The brass sounds so much better in the recording session. i would love to hear "What are you going to do" symphonically, rather than with all that editing and synth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 What I meant was, that I react to the score as pure music, and not as supporting the mages of a film. O.k. so maybe it's not a symphony, and it was not composed as a symphony (unlike, say the original Side1 of "TBFB"). It doesn't really sound symphonic, does it, but, to me, it does. To have this opinion, you either have to be wierd, or me. Fortunately I qualify on both counts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I rather like "MOS". I have played it twice, now, which is once more than I have played "Lincoln", and twice more than I have played "War Horse".If I were you, I'd consult a specialist in hearing damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I enjoy some bits of this music on album. In a way one enjoys a pop song on the radio or something.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share Posted June 26, 2013 Richard, you really need to listen to War Horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 BAM, BADUBADUM, zzzziooong! (repeat x50) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I'm listening to the soundtrack right now. I enjoy what I'm hearing, except for the action music. It has this nice New Age vibe which, I think, works. The quieter moments feel like the film should have felt (but didn't) - optimistic and hopeful. Not sure what's supposed to be so special about those circle drum sessions, though.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 There is an amusing note in the booklet, where this one guy states Zimmer is the most daring artist in the world and that he's willing to risk everything in pursuit of the new form. Well, something like that but not as bloated. And then... in the last paragraphs he points out how he's almost more focused on production, as opposed to writing. Unintentionally apt comment.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 like risking quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 No, he (Peter Asher) says Zimmer is the only person on this planet to take such risk... and succeed.So I guess you know know nothing, Joseph of Not Arizona. )Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The action music is literally just loud wallpaper, it meshes with the sound effects. It doesn't compliment the images or synch with key moments of suspense and whatnot, it's just there, being noisy.I can't imagine it ever making for an interesting or enjoyable listen in its own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The quiet parts, which make for more than half of the album, are pleasant, actually. The album for the most part feels like this track - it is the final cut on the disc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUq5leMN7eoKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share Posted June 26, 2013 The action music is literally just loud wallpaper, it meshes with the sound effects. It doesn't compliment the images or synch with key moments of suspense and whatnot, it's just there, being noisy.I can't imagine it ever making for an interesting or enjoyable listen in its own right. It doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The whole drum circle jarg is just a load of spinning bull. Some guys whack their drums together for a bit and Hans reckons he's innovating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The quiet parts, which make for more than half of the album, are pleasant, actually. The album for the most part feels like this track - it is the final cut on the disc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUq5leMN7eoKarolThe quieter drama stuff I actually like during the movie. I'm gonna listen to this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Most of the stuff I'm talking about sounds like something between Thomas Newman small town drama, Vangelis-like synths and Gladiator-like New Age.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 That's pretty much what I think. Vangelis does come to mind, particularly in terms of the instrumentation. Zimmer's own Thelma and Louise is in there somewhere as well, which I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The whole drum circle jarg is just a load of spinning bull. Some guys whack their drums together for a bit and Hans reckons he's innovating.It's really not about the famous drummers performing at all, but about how percussion is recorded and utilized in the score. In the film you can't hear it at all because, like you said, it's mixed as wallpaper music. Listen to the album, and Zimmer isn't the one saying he's innovating anything. Everyone else is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 But if it hasn't translated at all into the film as underscore then they're patently wrong. These guys must have thought they were just recording some new concept album; not the score to a film.If you want to hear proper examples of genuine innovation in music for film you would be better off listening to Vangelis, Glass or Morricone. Skip Hans and his Drum Beats Vol. 1 CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 So Ben Burtt's chopped up JW prequel scores are the final authority on what that music was?Like I said before, it has nothing to do with the drummers. It's about the recording, and when the music is mixed so low under the sound effects you don't even hear the nuances in the movie. Just listen to the album for fuck's sake. Again, I never said anything about innovation, it's just a different take on utilizing percussion in film scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Koray, I'm a film-centric listener of their scores. The hows and whys are completely secondary to me. I don't need to listen to this album nor any other to know what I like and why. It either works for the movie (and I) or it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I'm not telling you what to like or how to judge a film score, I'm telling you that the drum circle isn't a load of bull and that Zimmer never called himself an innovator. Just saying that sound editors and mixers are more responsible for the final film presentation of the music than the composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The score is extremely boring on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I'm not telling you what to like or how to judge a film score, I'm telling you that the drum circle isn't a load of bull and that ZimmerSorry, but when Zimmer repeatedly bangs his own drum about his "drum circle" () in the weeks before release in EVERY interview given, I can't help it if I interpret that as a sort of false innovation now can I. Hans bigged that shit right up he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 So you wouldn't talk about this new way of recording percussion you came up with in interviews? Again, it's the same thing as Giacchino or anyone else talking up their amazing orchestra and how great the players were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The score is extremely boring on CD.Chaac doesn't seem to enjoy a whole lot of things, I noticed.Karol Brónach and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The question is whether or not Hans delivered an innovative, or fresh sound in his score as blatantly vaunted by himself. He didn't.The score is extremely boring on CD.Chaac doesn't seem to enjoy a whole lot of things, I noticed.KarolHe really enjoys moaning about stuff he doesn't enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Is the percussion fresh? Yes. The rest of the score? No. But then again he never said such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The score is extremely boring on CD.Chaac doesn't seem to enjoy a whole lot of things, I noticed.I enjoy a lot of things but nobody pays attention when I say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 As I said, what I've heard of the percussion during the movie is anything but fresh. It's generic hammering ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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