Faleel 5,359 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Okay, I need timestamps on this second phrase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 They're the ones I gave. Jason's timestamp for the Arkenstone theme from the AUJ prologue includes that, so I assumed he counted that as part of the theme. I didn't check if he listed the appearance in On The Doorstep though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 You guys have lost me. Is there something regard the Arkenstone Theme that is wrong in my list?http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Jason, you listed it correctly.TGP, the phrase you suggest is not a new motif of its own. It's simple a continuation/extension of the "B phrase" of the Arkenstone theme, giving it more of a melodic structure. Yes, it doesn't appear in AUJ exactly as it is, this extension makes its first appearance in DOS, with the choir singing it atop the familiar choral cluster in On the Doorstep (somewhere I'm the 7 minute mark). But let's not hasty and assign it another name or anything....BB any more thoughts on the score? I haven't come across any detailed reviews of the scores, like with AUJ, am I just not looking in the right places?I'm working on one, I'm hoping to have it finished by the week, but we'll see.Have you read my review of AUJ? There are still some revisions I need to make based on recent discoveries, but it's largely in line with the current school of thought on AUJ's themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Should I separate out the A section and B section of the Arkenstone Theme in my list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 That's what I was suggesting, it's a second phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I meant the melody SUH was taling about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I generally consider the A-phrase to be the choral cluster, and the B phrase, the melodic line(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 That's what I was suggesting, it's a second phrase.This was in response to KK, not you Jason. I think they're categorized fine, I just wasn't sure if you had included that second melodic phrase in your breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Arkenstone A and B phrases? Do they ever appear separately, except for the appearance in Wilderland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 In one of the Smaug cues, the Arkenstone melodic line (B phrase?) Is quoted independently of the choral cluster (a phrase?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 For me it's: cluster, choral phrase, string phrase. Sometimes the choral phrase isn't choral, and/or plays over the cluster. But I've not heard the string phrase appear anywhere except following those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Oh I agree at the 3 ideas you've mentioned, but I group that "choral phrase" with the string phrase as the "B-phrase". It just seems like a natural extension of that melodic line. The other way I'd look at is that the "choral phrase" should be grouped with the cluster as the "A phrase". It's Shore's way of referencing the same phrase without neccessarily taking on the same cluster each time (because the cluster itself isn't a very adaptable idea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Oh come now BloodBoal, we know you love this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You've made music boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 And you haven't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Try harder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I can't even appreciate the music anymore!...Thats what appreciating music is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 No! I'm sorry, but all this talk of "cluster followed by choir only to be reverted back to the B choral phrase followed by the primary A choir cluster phrase"... I can't even appreciate the music anymore! Ludwig and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ahh, nothing like Alan Rickman/Alec Guiness to help set the world straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,223 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 For me it's: cluster, choral phrase, string phrase. Sometimes the choral phrase isn't choral, and/or plays over the cluster. But I've not heard the string phrase appear anywhere except following those two.So is the string phrase the figure with melody E ^ B A G F# G A B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think so, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,223 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ah, yes - I'd overlooked the timestamp Mr. Pilgrim gave on the previous page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ferry Jr 4 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What on [Middle] earth do they expect him to do in order to get an oscar nomination??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The Academy is all burned out for fantasy and especially LotR-related stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What on [Middle] earth do they expect him to do in order to get an oscar nomination???More Nazgul theme! Metric tons of Nazgul theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What on [Middle] earth do they expect him to do in order to get an oscar nomination???More Nazgul theme! Metric tons of Nazgul theme!Get Metric to sing the Nazgul theme? The Academy is all burned out for fantasy and especially LotR-related stuff.Yeah, it all the attention of a life time back in 2001-2003....not that these Hobbit films deserve much attention to begin with.What on [Middle] earth do they expect him to do in order to get an oscar nomination???You're talking about Ed Sheeran, right? Seriously, I don't know what the Academy was thinking. Retards!For a minute you scared me! I thought Sheeran got a nomination...Did DoS get any nominations by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 For a minute you scared me! I thought Sheeran got a nomination...Did DoS get any nominations by the way?Sound editing, sound mixing, visual effects.It also holds the honor of being one of only three nominated movies that I've seen this year - the others being Star Trek Into Darkness and Iron Man 3, both up for visual effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,223 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Did it not get nominated for Best Music Dialing In and Out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 There was no competiton. That wouldn't have been fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,223 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The price of being a trail-blazer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 What on [Middle] earth do they expect him to do in order to get an oscar nomination???Change his name to Esteban Shoryanovic. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Peace 3 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The lack of a nomination makes sense, really. The competition's A-phrases just outshine Shore's in every conceivable way. You might say Shore brought his A-game to his B-phrases, but is sadly lacking in the matter of choral clusters. And the melodic lines, oh my god, don't even get me started. "Her" is just the best when it comes to the... the timestamps and such.Yeah. Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 lol What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Peace 3 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 It's a controversial position, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 If you don't bring your A-game to the A-phrases you don't stand a chance at the Oscars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What happens if you bring your A game to the B phrases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 You get B-sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What happens if you bring your A game to the B phrases? When A-phrases lack cluster B-phrases won't help and become lacklustre. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 It's a controversial position, I know.Not really. People are saying LotR was overrated for years.I literally don't know what the hell you're trying to say with A-game to B-phrases and superiority in timestamps and such. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 It's a controversial position, I know.Not really. People are saying LotR was overrated for years.I literally don't know what the hell you're trying to say with A-game to B-phrases and superiority in timestamps and such. WTF?Humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 By the way, I said some time ago I'm setting the song of Beren and Luthien to music, using Shore's theme for Kili and Tauriel. Well, here is the preliminiary version: Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Y'know I really wonder what First Age music would sound like compared to Second Age (from what we know based on the Gonder theme statement in the alternate prologue, compressed is the key) and Third Age music...I really want The Silmarillion, with Music Composed by Howard Shore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Adapt The Silmarillion, hire me, and you will have your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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