Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah. I remember wondering what the hell the logic behind that could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hey guys, has anyone else noticed that the two statemments of the Woodland realm right before "Tauriel B theme" are swapped in the film?Which track are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 In ALL OF THEM! PJ went completely mad and swapped them without any clear reason! INSANITY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The Forest River, 1:25-1:37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This is what I am referring to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggfg4T9HS8w&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Oh ok, that's an alternate, not just the music editor chopping up and switching those two phrases. Makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Oh yes, I remember that. Are we sure that's an alternate? It almost sounds like there's an edit there. I certainly prefer how its done on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It sounds a bit choppy to me, especially at 0:27-28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The performance itself sounded different to me but it still might be an edit. I hear what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 it sounds like it can be made by simply editing the track either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 . Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 A reversed inverted retrograde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantus Venti 13 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I just don't like this guy's music. Everything is so monotone and dark, just like the movie was. Really can't picture his emotionality or imagination anywhere in it. Well the LoTR scores are definitely a big improvement. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 How can something that was written before be an improvement over something that was written today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 How can something that was written before be an improvement over something that was written today?If you perceive time as non-linear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Or linear but in reverse.WTF? Were Bilbo and Thorin at the coronation just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Close minded fools. Enjoy your limited little lives while I roam free of the tyranny of the arrow of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ach, sure you said the exact opposite of that tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Wrong, he will have said it yesterday.Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Tomorrow he had been going to postpone saying it until yesterday, but ended up spilling the beans later than planned. Now yesterday he'll already have said it tomorrow and so won't bother repeating himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantus Venti 13 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Improve my day, iow, don't want to make me kill myself from the wretchedness of sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Improve my day, iow, don't want to make me kill myself from the wretchedness of sound.You're a bit unhinged, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 "Well I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I really love the change in harmony at 4:00 in The Forest River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Can't beat the change of harmony at JWfan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 You mean when Frodo reveals the Mithril vest?I pointed that out a year ago, but people said I was hearing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I thought the same thing myselfit sounds like HS built on it at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Likely not intended. Just Shore playing with familiar textures he used for the dwarf music in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just listened to Balins Tomb at 4:57. I hear what you mean. But I meant the part from 7:08, the whimsy string figure.And the House of Durin theme is based on the Dwarrowdelf theme as heard for example at 5:55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRougeau 5 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Has anyone noticed the strange musical distortion that can be heard in the strings at about 35 seconds into A Liar and A Thief? The strings are bright and clear for the first 30 seconds of the track, and then suddenly they get very muddy and distorted, almost like going from stereo sound to mono. Perhaps it has something to do with the mixing? It is easily heard again around the 50 second mark. Other sections of the orchestra sound clear, but that entire tremolo string phrase remains muddied. It then clears up and sounds normal again at the 1:52 mark. Am I crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yes, it seems that Shore used some interesting mixing techniques to achieve the right textures at a few points in the score. You can hear it in Mirkwood too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just listened to Balins Tomb at 4:57. I hear what you mean. But I meant the part from 7:08, the whimsy string figure.Very vaguely similar phrases that are based on common Shore techniques. Little more than coincidence I say.And the House of Durin theme is based on the Dwarrowdelf theme as heard for example at 5:55.Yes, that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just listened to Balins Tomb at 4:57. I hear what you mean. But I meant the part from 7:08, the whimsy string figure.Very vaguely similar phrases that are based on common Shore techniques. Little more than coincidence I say.There is no such thing as coincidences in Shore's scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just listened to Balins Tomb at 4:57. I hear what you mean. But I meant the part from 7:08, the whimsy string figure.Very vaguely similar phrases that are based on common Shore techniques. Little more than coincidence I say.There is no such thing as coincidences in Shore's scores!Oh, you're right! This "variation" must have been written for the rock patterns of the pillars. That's why the Erebor theme is so similar, because of their halls.This new theme shall be called Pillars of Erebor! Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Has anyone noticed the strange musical distortion that can be heard in the strings at about 35 seconds into A Liar and A Thief? The strings are bright and clear for the first 30 seconds of the track, and then suddenly they get very muddy and distorted, almost like going from stereo sound to mono. Perhaps it has something to do with the mixing? It is easily heard again around the 50 second mark. Other sections of the orchestra sound clear, but that entire tremolo string phrase remains muddied. It then clears up and sounds normal again at the 1:52 mark. Am I crazy? Another curiosity is what the motif from Kingsfoil that is reprised by the strings around the 35 minute mark. Is it played to that effect or was that added later after it was distorted or something? Sounded strange. Doesn't sound distorted to me. Is that flautando? Are we sure it isn't con sord sul pont? To me it sounds like the strings are being manipulated with a band-pass filter from the console (lo-pass + hi-pass). Whatever it it is, it's something Doug could really enlighten us on once the NDAs pass. Another thought that came to me is that the engineer might being using the distant mikes to pick up the string section in that passage. Maybe woodwind or choir mikes, or ambients up in Wellington Town Hall's gallery. That's how Bernard Herrmann recorded the 8 female singers (4 altos, 4 sopranos) in OBSESSION - placing them in the organ loft of St Giles-without-Cripplegate Church. Their sound that came down from the organ loft was recorded by the string mike, giving a certain eerie, muted quality. http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23304&p=956517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The Arkenstone started in AUJ, My Dear Frodo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Safeunderhill's real name is Frodo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yep, the cluster appears in AUJ, but the motive is new to DOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Um, I think the melody is there as well, when it is talking about Thror taking it as a sign that his right to rule is divine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yeah that is new to DOS. It doesn't appear in the AUJ prologue. There's a slightly similar gesture after the cluster/reveal of the Arkenstone, but that's it.Ah ha, wait. That string line from AUJ appears again at the end of On The Doorstep as a sort of second phrase to the choral melody, which is new.3:12 in My Dear Frodo, 7:20 in On The Doorstep.Looking at Jason's theme list, ya'll already knew that. I'll see myself out. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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