Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Move out of the way as Theoden Rides Forth (Alternate Brass, No choir or Ben Del Maestro)Prepare for The Descent of the NazgulListen to The Tales That Really Matter (Restored Alternate)The Two Towers finished, moving on to Return of the King, I am moving on to unfamiliar territory, so I am going to need help figuring out what was used or not.What's the source on the Fellowship statement in "The Tales That Really Mattered?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Move out of the way as Theoden Rides Forth (Alternate Brass, No choir or Ben Del Maestro)Prepare for The Descent of the NazgulListen to The Tales That Really Matter (Restored Alternate)The Two Towers finished, moving on to Return of the King, I am moving on to unfamiliar territory, so I am going to need help figuring out what was used or not.What's the source on the Fellowship statement in "The Tales That Really Mattered?"The music documentary on the TTT EE DVD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Doesn't really click with me, they were right to rescore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 A Coronal of Silver and GoldStand at The Foot of OrthancTake a look into The PalantirWatch and see Osgiliath InvadedSwear Allegiance to DenethorClimb The Stairs of Cirith Ungol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 We are Marshalling at DunharrowThe Siege of Gondor Part 1The Siege of Gondor Part 1 (Alternate)The Siege of Gondor Part 2 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Escape Shelob's Lair Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Tangle with Shelob the Great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 325 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Never did quite get the reason for the switching around of the middle action pieces of that cueit just sounds off in the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 Enter The Tomb of the StewardsFight in The Battle of the Pelennor Fields (Restored, Opening, Dialed out percussion, unused overlays, additional hardanger from L2P)Beware The Mumakil (Restored Ending) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Going to A Far Green CountryTraveling through The Land of Shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Enter The Tomb of the StewardsFight in The Battle of the Pelennor Fields (Restored, Opening, Dialed out percussion, unused overlays, additional hardanger from L2P)Beware The Mumakil (Restored Ending)I've got a couple questions about the Pelennor edit-1. What's the source on the additional hardingfele? I haven't heard that anywhere else.2. Are you sure about the Gandalf/Pippin interlude? It seems out of place with the music, and occurs much earlier in the final edit of the film. Plus, we already have the "Tomb of the Stewards" music for that same bit. Might it be more likely that it's more of the charge that was edited out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Enter The Tomb of the StewardsFight in The Battle of the Pelennor Fields (Restored, Opening, Dialed out percussion, unused overlays, additional hardanger from L2P)Beware The Mumakil (Restored Ending)I've got a couple questions about the Pelennor edit-1. What's the source on the additional hardingfele? I haven't heard that anywhere else.2. Are you sure about the Gandalf/Pippin interlude?1: Mockup based on the Live To Projection version.2: The TE has it that way (there are quite a few shots that were scored twice, for example a shot of Merry climbing out from the fallen Mumak is covered in "Dernhelm In Battle" AND "Shieldmaiden of Rohan") and I think it fits (sort of like how "I Will Have War" syncs with Dain's theme in BOTFA)Climb Mount Doom/The Cracks of Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Elanor (Alternate)Remember to Use Well The DaysSinging Frodo's Song [v2]Living in the Days of the Ring (Alternate)Doing it For Frodo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Wield Andúril: Flame of the West (Alternate)Witness The Passing of the Grey Company (Alternate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Cat 25 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Faleel, where did you get the music for Use Well the Days? I've never heard that before. He's beautiful. Maybe you mentioned it somewhere but I'm on my phone which has limited functionality for web surfing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 From a DVD called Use Well the Days that came with the limited edition ROTK OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Cat 25 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Just found that on my own. I didn't think to google it before because I assumed it was super obscure. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Cat 25 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Faleel, are you by any chance going to put together a Faleel Restored edition of the complete scores? You've done a ton of work on this stuff already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Thinking about it, Use Well The Days would have been a great song for AUJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Look for two new videos soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Council of Elrond (Restored Theatrical Version): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9cExXXzlIazNLNnc/view?usp=drivesdk Is It Secret? Is It Safe!? (Partial Restore) The Sword That Was Broken (Restored Ending) @Jim Ware Am I correct placing this here? I believe the L2P has it like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Damn we really need a release containing what Shore recorded without film edits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Careful using words like need, it causes Steef to pop up and preach against Fanboy Entitlement SafeUnderHill and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I would never do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Redid my video of the original version of the FOTR prologue: I used the EE footage from an old rip, cut to match the TE, because my rip of the TE DVD was giving me glitches.https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HAv5XyCrItTdf0XOtXvU_VqxingZiORZ Bilbo and fommes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 @Jim Ware Give up the Halfling Revised Take 1Take 2 The Nazgul (Prancing Pony Decoy Scene Unused Music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Bottom link takes me to 'Give up the Halfling'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,112 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Well, give it up then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 *chants in Elvish, water begins moving* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Barnald said: Bottom link takes me to 'Give up the Halfling'. Fixed! Barnald 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,376 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Kühni said: @Faleel J.M. Do you have higher-res files for the artwork of your complete edits? I seem to only have the one for Fellowship. Ta mucho! This what you need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 I'd be very interested to listen to these, but it seems like most of them are unavailable. Any chance they'll be re-uploaded/made public again sometime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 01/09/2022 at 10:16 PM, Tydirium said: I'd be very interested to listen to these, but it seems like most of them are unavailable. Any chance they'll be re-uploaded/made public again sometime? Apparently google updated something, which means the links have to be "reforged" and pasted in again. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I too would love to hear these. It says I needed to request access though. Im particularly keen to hear Fellowship. I never realized how many bits and pieces were tracked in that first score (and thus reflected on the “complete recordings” of that one. So to hear Shores original intentions would be cool to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 In retrospect, it's kind of insane how they basically just plopped the final film edits on CD and sold it to us. To be fair to them, it isn't apparent how much tracking and editing you're hearing, as its all professionally edited. But as time has gone on since then, and we've learned more, and so many of the as-recorded cues turned up in video games and dvd menus and such it's like... oh.... wait... why did they do this? Luckily TTT and ROTK don't have this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,707 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Maybe the first set was a learning curve in terms of how to approach the project, then by TTT they'd worked it out. If you assumed that I always know what I'm doing in my job, you'd be hilariously wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Here is a link to the Google Drive folders:FELLOWSHIP TWO TOWERSRETURN OF THE KING WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Jay said: In retrospect, it's kind of insane how they basically just plopped the final film edits on CD and sold it to us. To be fair to them, it isn't apparent how much tracking and editing you're hearing, as its all professionally edited. But as time has gone on since then, and we've learned more, and so many of the as-recorded cues turned up in video games and dvd menus and such it's like... oh.... wait... why did they do this? Luckily TTT and ROTK don't have this issue. Yes. Thankfully it wasn’t as bad as the “Ultimate edition” of Phantom Menace! 🙄 3 hours ago, Roll the Bones said: Here is a link to the Google Drive folders:FELLOWSHIP TWO TOWERSRETURN OF THE KING Thanks so much! I can’t wait to dive into this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just know, that it is slightly patchwork especially for FOTR, as I found out certain things were wrong/tracked later, and put out separate videos with just those sections. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Cat 25 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Has anybody created a correctly-edited version of the Complete Recordings tracks? Or at least a spreadsheet of where the microedits / tracking / etc. goes / should go / be removed / etc.? I made one or two tiny edits to my own rips but wouldn't be opposed to a more correct version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I'm working on a big informational resource like that, but you can also just watch all of Faleels videos, which fix them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,539 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Are there any plans to revisit Appendices rips with better voice removal tech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I'd love to be able to listen to the cue where Bilbo departs Hobbiton without having to hear Ian Holm's singing over it mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,376 Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Between the 5.1 rips of the CR DVD/BD's and the bits available on the EE DVD menus/docu intros, you already can. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Man. I’d heard that original Prologue with the Gondor theme before on the rarities archive. But it was cool to see it lined up to picture. It’s curious that Shore doesn’t seem to quote the History of the Ring theme at all in that version. Had he not yet composed it? It seems like such a crucial musical building block. Especially in that sequence. Was the build up and motif heard in the very beginning at 0:38 and at 3:37 Shores initial idea for a History of the Ring type-theme? I love it. But to my knowledge it’s not repeated anywhere else in Fellowships score or the other two films. Just in this Prologue… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,416 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 The History of the Ring theme was not originally a recurring theme, just an idea used in one cue: The scene where the group sets up camp on the side of the river, Merry notices Frodo is not with them, Aragorn notices Boromir's shield on the ground, and we cut to Boromir finding Frodo and beginning a conversation with him. This is the first 1:13 of the CR track Parth Galen PJ tracked this entire bit into the scene where Gandalf is sitting alone in Bag End pondering on the ring, whispers "riddles in the dark", Frodo comes in and picks up the ring as Gandalf says "my precious", etc. This tracking is maintained on the CR album in the track Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe, from 4:00-5:19 (the actual cue Shore recorded for the scene is included on the OST album, in "The Shadow of the Past" from 0:00-0:59) PJ ALSO tracked this Parth Galen bit into the scene a few minutes later where Gandalf talks about Sauron covering all the lands in a second darkness and how the ring wants to return to its master, etc. This tracking is maintained on the CR in the track A Conspiracy Unmasked from 2:00-3:39 (the actual cue Shore recorded for the scene can be heard in the Costume featurette on the FOTR: EE Appendices) At this point PJ had turned this bit of Parth Galen music into a theme via tracking, and he had Shore write it into a replacement cue: the new rewrite of the Argonath cue used in the film, CR (The Fighting Uruk-hai) and OST ("The Great River"). The original cue Shore recorded for this scene was released on the Rarities CD ("The Argonath (Alternate Version)") PJ also decided to completely scrap Shore's original Prologue cue and record a new one almost entirely made up of pages from existing cues arranged together with some minor orchestration and timing differences, so we get a re-recording of the Parth Galen statement in Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All from 0:30-1:18, with other statements of the "Ring theme" throughout the track also coming from the Parth Galen pages. By the time Shore was working on TTT as well as the new cue extensions needed for the FOTR: EE, History of the Ring was a clear theme used as such. But yea, is Shore's original vision, it was a one-off melody for the Frodo/Boromir scene. darkspine10 and WampaRat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jay said: The History of the Ring theme was not originally a recurring theme, just an idea used in one cue: The scene where the group sets up camp on the side of the river, Merry notices Frodo is not with them, Aragorn notices Boromir's shield on the ground, and we cut to Boromir finding Frodo and beginning a conversation with him. This is the first 1:13 of the CR track Parth Galen PJ tracked this entire bit into the scene where Gandalf is sitting alone in Bag End pondering on the ring, whispers "riddles in the dark", Frodo comes in and picks up the ring as Gandalf says "my precious", etc. This tracking is maintained on the CR album in the track Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe, from 4:00-5:19 (the actual cue Shore recorded for the scene is included on the OST album, in "The Shadow of the Past" from 0:00-0:59) PJ ALSO tracked this Parth Galen bit into the scene a few minutes later where Gandalf talks about Sauron covering all the lands in a second darkness and how the ring wants to return to its master, etc. This tracking is maintained on the CR in the track A Conspiracy Unmasked from 2:00-3:39 (the actual cue Shore recorded for the scene can be heard in the Costume featurette on the FOTR: EE Appendices) At this point PJ had turned this bit of Parth Galen music into a theme via tracking, and he had Shore write it into a replacement cue: the new rewrite of the Argonath cue used in the film, CR (The Fighting Uruk-hai) and OST ("The Great River"). The original cue Shore recorded for this scene was released on the Rarities CD ("The Argonath (Alternate Version)") PJ also decided to completely scrap Shore's original Prologue cue and record a new one almost entirely made up of pages from existing cues arranged together with some minor orchestration and timing differences, so we get a re-recording of the Parth Galen statement in Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All from 0:30-1:18, with other statements of the "theme" throughout the track also coming from the Parth Galen pages. By the time Shore was working on TTT as well as the new cue extensions needed for the FOTR: EE, History of the Ring was a clear theme used liberally. But yea, is Shore's original vision, it was a one-off melody for the Frodo/Boromir scene. Holy moly! I didn’t realize it was initially just a one-off idea. I knew about Parth Garlen being tracked in different places. But I never new that it was that excessive tracking that led Shore to adapt it as one of the defining musical identities of the score. Doug Adam’s book doesn’t really dig into all that tracking. Can I ask (other than hearing it in the film) how you know about what cues were initially used etc. The cue sheets or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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