Jay 37,373 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't even know if it is a theme for the trolls, I'm just using KK's name until i can see the film again. Is it even used in the film, actually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Maybe it's a theme for the OTHER orc army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 considering that it would play in battle scenes before the Gundabad army even arrivesprobably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I didn't have the time to properly listen to this yet. Could anyone please tell me the major new themes/motifs that have been introduced in this score. I'm loving the new renditions of the existing material though.Is anyone planning on writing one of those awesome theme / cue breakdowns. Those are invaluable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Damien F 1,742 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Awesome, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Part 2 of the exclusive Dougie interview!http://middleearthnews.com/2014/12/19/an-exclusive-interview-with-doug-adams-pt-2/MM: Will there be complete recordings for The Hobbit? Because in the special edition soundtrack you don’t get to hear the entire Lake-town theme which disappoints me because I enjoy it a lot.DA: The subject of the complete recordings has not really come up yet. That’s not me being dodgy, it’s just honestly we’re not at the stage where we can talk about it yet because there’s no decisions made. People have to remember that when the complete recordings for LOTR came out, it was the years following the films. Right now even though people feel like we’ve wrapped up and we’re done, everyone’s just finished putting the last touches on BOTFA. And now people need to just take a breath and spend some holiday time with their families and that sort of thing. And I’m sure the subject will come up when everybody has had time to regroup and talk about what’s coming next. It’s just not on the table yet.That's really thye only relevant question when it comes to the scores. Part one was a lot more revealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It was never meant to be heard in it's complete form. Laketown is destroyed. It lies in pieces, it's people scattered. The theme must reflect that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I plan to write my own version of The Music Of The Hobbit Films book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Is it even used in the film, actually?Apparently not. I didn't notice it, but I wasn't particularly paying attention. MedigoScan confirmed that it didn't appear.It never appeared in film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yes, I know: I just said MedigoScan confirmed that.But of course, you wanted your moment of glory, so you felt the need to repeat that...I thought you'd like two people to confirm that for you! More the merrier, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Why would he be disappointed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 They think that of almost every score here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Sorry if this has already been answered, but I've avoided this thread until now and am holding off on listening to the album until I get it for Christmas, sort of to relive the old LOTR experience, but, is it just me, or is the music mixed in really low in this movie? At least where I watched it, the music was almost inaudible for the entire second half of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It is mixed low and edited to fragments.There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 well that or the fragments were edited to whole pieces on the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 The was was pretty audible in the film I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 on my rewatch I did hear a lot more music that I assumed was dialed out at firstmaybe it was the fact that I didnt go to th IMAX showing that time, maybe notparts that i didnt hear were literally muted tho, which is criminal still (why remove that last loud statement of Smaugs theme, PJ? whyyyy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Because as a director his job is to balance the mix of the film in a way that he feels will best convey what he wants to achieve.Its not his responsibility to accurately presents Shores musical intentions above anything else.The score must be subservient to his film, not vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Doug must have had some idea what was cut/saved for the EE beforehand, since he made that comment about there being some spectacular stuff yet to come, especially in the final act. So I don't think anything will come as a shock to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I saw that but didn't have the balls to check out the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 "SHORE: I dont do orchestration until after Im satisfied and happy with the composition. Then I look at the orchestration. I think of orchestration as performance. What room will it be recorded in? I have to take into consideration the physics of the room, the microphone placement, the placement of one musician to another. If its a symphony orchestra, how are they placed in the room in context of the design of the room? So, whether its Wofford Town Hall in England or Wellington Town Hall in New Zealand, all of those things come into play with me with orchestration. And then, I look at the scene, whether its a dialogue scene, whether its an action scene, how will the music be interfacing with sound effects, with the dialogue. All of those things you have to take into consideration when using different colors of the orchestra or even the weight of different parts of the orchestra. Whats really required in that particular part of the film to tell that story clearly?"Read more at http://collider.com/howard-shore-the-hobbit-rosewater-interview/#oV2qfKEqAI7JTWUW.99This is probably a main reason why DoS and BOTFA sound different in some subtle or not so subtle ways. Certainly BOTFA sounds more generic because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=812502;sb=post_time;so=DESC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=127025925Armies, Dragons and Rings - Hobbit 3 campaign musicHi guys!I thought some of you might be interested in hearing a track that is currently being used in the Hobbit 3 campaign. It pays tribute to some of the memorable, amazing themes from Mr Howard Shore's score to the LotR saga. I hope you enjoy it!>>>Armies, Dragons and Rings - Listen Here<<<Thanks I think people who liked the Nazgûl theme statement in AUJ should love this too.Is this your subtle way of telling us that the nazgul AUJ music was terribly genericbecause this sounded (while awesome in a way) like simple trailer music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Is this your subtle way of telling us that the nazgul AUJ music was terribly genericbecause this sounded (while awesome in a way) like simple trailer musicIf you noticed that this is what I meant, then it wasn't so subtle, was it? Bah to youI still want that music to be on a future release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JWMike 117 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 "SHORE: I dont do orchestration until after Im satisfied and happy with the composition. Then I look at the orchestration. I think of orchestration as performance. What room will it be recorded in? I have to take into consideration the physics of the room, the microphone placement, the placement of one musician to another. If its a symphony orchestra, how are they placed in the room in context of the design of the room? So, whether its Wofford Town Hall in England or Wellington Town Hall in New Zealand, all of those things come into play with me with orchestration. And then, I look at the scene, whether its a dialogue scene, whether its an action scene, how will the music be interfacing with sound effects, with the dialogue. All of those things you have to take into consideration when using different colors of the orchestra or even the weight of different parts of the orchestra. Whats really required in that particular part of the film to tell that story clearly?"Read more at http://collider.com/howard-shore-the-hobbit-rosewater-interview/#oV2qfKEqAI7JTWUW.99This is probably a main reason why DoS and BOTFA sound different in some subtle or not so subtle ways.Certainly BOTFA sounds more generic because of it.Lol at the transcriber. Should say Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Listened to all three in chronological order, Shore is a genious the way he treated the Mordor accompaniments in the scores.This is the most generic Middle-Earth music ever got!It sounds just l like every other statement in the scores.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,359 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Instead here we get two concert arrangements of music on CDDragon-Sickness is not a concert arrangement, its a film cue, you can hear it in the film.Nope.Only in your fantasyland.If you want a shorter version of the scores, then its a valid option. The CR's are great, but really really longI still need to buy it. It's the only album I haven't got.KarolWhy would you want it? It's just a piss poor performance of the music we already have on the CRs!Nope! there is music in the symphony not on the CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,359 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Instead here we get two concert arrangements of music on CDDragon-Sickness is not a concert arrangement, its a film cue, you can hear it in the film.Where?Right after Beyond Sorrow and Grief I believe, it has the music for Legolas talking about Gundabad etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,359 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Maybe, and maybe some dialed out musicIt also includes the sad Lake-town theme when the lake-towners are pulling the cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 yeah thats definitely the dragon sickness cue now that I listen to it closerit even has the arkenstone rendition that we previously assumed was microedited of the albumso I guess I stand correctedthe silent scene where Bilbo remembers how he got the arkenstone was meant to use the first 70 seconds of 'Dragon Sickness' (explains the name of the theme too)That together with the Legolas scenes adds up to 4 minutesThe 2nd half of 'Beyond Sorrow and Grief' must have played for something else than, that was cut from the TEand yeah Dragon Sickness has some missing music, for the scene between Bolg and Azogalso it had some tracked music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 actually Bilbo talking to Balin is a scene that comes later in the movieI cant remember what music played there, but that could be tracked or a microedit from 'Ruins of Dale' as I said the start probably played for Bilbo walking out of Erebor to be alone and reflect on Smaugs words, the music sounds more fitting therealso like I said, I think the Bolg and Azog scene's music was omitted from the album, it definitely played Azogs theme in the moviefor the end of 'Beyond Sorrow and Grief' maybe the scene where the dwarves search for the Arkenstone was originally longer?Oh and I think the last part does belong to the middle parts of the cue, and that maybe the Azog scene was inserted in there to cut it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Jon Broxton has reviewed this one. I only read the last paragraph (excerpted below), as I won't be seeing the film until Tuesday."In my review of The Desolation of Smaug last year I ruminated on Howard Shore’s legacy in terms of the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit scores, and how he has created a truly immersive world of music which follows its design parameters, but is fluid enough to introduce themes for new characters, places and concepts as each new film requires, without compromising the integrity of the work as a whole. Looking back at it all now, with the perspective of having listened to 13 years worth of music for these films, I honestly believe that, with these six scores, Shore has written one of the most important collective works in the entire history of film music. This will be his lasting testament to the art.With the conclusion of the Hobbit trilogy it is quite likely that we will never visit Middle Earth again, at least in the company of Jackson or Shore. This is it. We will never again have the anticipation of a new Tolkien-inspired work from the unassuming Canadian, and while I’m more than thankful for the 18 hours or so we do have, I can’t help but consider this to be a bittersweet moment, the end of an era. Looking at the direction film music is going, especially in mainstream films, I doubt we will ever hear a score like this again, and so my advice to you all is to savor this. Drink it in. Go there, and go back again, and again, and again."http://moviemusicuk.us/2014/12/20/the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies-howard-shore/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Anyways, I like the explanation of why The Hobbit has more character themes and LOTR has more cultural and world aware themes.I actually made this observation when DoS came out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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