Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 If I feel angry and about to destroy the world, Goldsmith action hits the spot like no other composer can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Simply put. Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well, it's entirely possible.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well, it's entirely possible.KarolWell, it's not entirely impossible.Mikko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No chance. Williams leaves him for dust. And I fucking love Goldsmith. Dean1700 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Yeah right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Don't be facetious. Williams hasn't even written real action scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Goldsmith's action music is certainly more succinct than most other composers', including Williams. Whether or not that makes it better, I'm unsure of.Frankly, in the hair-raisingly bombastic/raucous department, they're both outdone by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No chance. Williams leaves him for dust. And I fucking love Goldsmith.CorrectFriggin' mobile browser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hey maybe I should change my name to Friggin' Mobile Browser.Lee - would have used something from Total Recall in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No chance. Williams leaves him for dust. And I fucking love Goldsmith.CorrectFriggin' mobile browserYou are Lee are both morons. JW is good, but compared to Rambo? Total Recall? Air Force One etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 And yet just Abandoned and Pursued alone blows all three of those entire scores away. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted August 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2014 I repeat: Williams has written almost nothing to match Goldsmith's output in the action genre. You can drag out your flogged horses á la DESERT CHASE or whatever STAR WARS/INDY/E. T: action piece you prefer (which mostly sprang from fantasy/adventure scores, anyway) but Goldsmith wrote kinetic action long before Williams and it's simply not comprehensible that the few truly great Williams action cues can outdo hundreds of action cues ranging from PLANET OF THE APES to CAPRICORN ONE to AFO and and and.It's just plain bullshit. chuck, Sharkissimo, Hlao-roo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Plain bullshit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 publicist just repeated his statement. That must mean it's true. Close the thread folks, it's all just been settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Goldsmith's action music is certainly more succinct than most other composers', including Williams. Whether or not that makes it better, I'm unsure of.Frankly, in the hair-raisingly bombastic/raucous department, they're both outdone by others.Indeed. Though there are times when I feel the succinct nature of Goldsmith's action is what undoes it when compared to some of Williams' greatest hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 publicist just repeated his statement. That must mean it's true.Close the thread folks, it's all just been settled.And i don't want to to repeat it a third time.Goldsmith's action music is certainly more succinct than most other composers', including Williams. Whether or not that makes it better, I'm unsure of.Frankly, in the hair-raisingly bombastic/raucous department, they're both outdone by others.Indeed. Though there are times when I feel the succinct nature of Goldsmith's action is what undoes it when compared to some of Williams' greatest hits.Which all are creaking from old age by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I haven't yet found anyone who comes close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Certainly the most diverse, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Frankly, in the hair-raisingly bombastic/raucous department, they're both outdone by others.Like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 *cough*Hans*cough* Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Preach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Basil Poledouris wrote the ultimate action score, so intense that Jerry copied it for one of his. A pity Basil never came close to his masterpiece again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I agree. Wind and the Lion, The Mummy... I could go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Goldsmith's action music is certainly more succinct than most other composers', including Williams. Whether or not that makes it better, I'm unsure of.Indeed. Though there are times when I feel the succinct nature of Goldsmith's action is what undoes it when compared to some of Williams' greatest hits.Goldsmith's action music : Williams's action music :: Lincoln's Gettysburg Address : The Other Gettysburg AddressWhen it came time to deliver the Gettysburg Address, Everett gave a brilliant performance, as all knew he would. That he was able to speak for two hours, without notes, was all the more impressive for a kidney ailment that often required him to urinate (a small tent had been placed discreetly nearby, and what he called a “pot-de-chambre” placed inside).A diarist, Benjamin French, wrote, “Mr. Everett was listened to with breathless silence by all that immense crowd, and he had his audience in tears many times during his masterly effort.” He described the battle in detail, leaving listeners rapt, and in effect telling its history for the first time. Near the end of his remarks, he spoke movingly of reconciliation between North and South, a thought that the victory at Gettysburg made more palatable. Greece was in the air from the moment he started, and his opening paragraphs went into numbing detail of funerary rites in Athens. A reporter, John Russell Young, wrote, of his “antique courtly ways, fine keen eyes, the voice of singular charm.” But he added, ominously, “I felt as I looked at the orator, as if he was some antique Greek statue, so … beautiful … but so cold!” Still, Everett’s triumph seemed complete. In his diary, Everett recorded, “After I had done the President pressed my hand with great fervor, and said “I am more than gratified. I am grateful to you.” Then Lincoln stood up, spoke his 272 words, and sat down. The rest, as they say, is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 How... ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Also, I'm waiting for Sami to weigh in on the potential health benefits of listening to Goldsmith's action music over Williams's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 These days I'll go to Emily Howell for some true musical greatness in the action department. Before that it was Angela Morley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/09/field_hockey_players_to_watch_3.htmlJr. Emily Howell,BangorJunior forward is small in stature but played a big role last season in Bangor's run to the Colonial League title and the District 11 Class AAA semifinals. Howell had 19 goals and 11 assists last fall and was a first team Colonial League and second team Express-Times all-star. "She's a really fast and quick player," coach Carol Alfred said. "She reads plays. She's a natural athlete. She is small but she's mighty. She's probably one of my most physical players. There's nothing timid about Emily Howell." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Who?This "person". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Goldsmith better than Williams in action writing? Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I own a lot of Jerry Goldsmith scores, many of them because they are considered by many to be classics, but I can't say I've really enjoyed them too much (with some exceptions - The Mummy, bits and pieces of Star Trek: TMP, Gremlins, The Sum of All Fears). So I'm going to vote no, because most of the other "action" scores I have, I like better than the handful of Goldsmith "action" scores I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Goldsmith outclassed every other composer at every kind of film music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Basil Poledouris wrote the ultimate action score, so intense that Jerry copied it for one of his. A pity Basil never came close to his masterpiece again. I don't see Conan as an action score. There's hardly any action in it! It's a big fantasy epic, heavy with Poledouris' trademark of conjuring up the most lyrical themes amid darker/more action heavy stuff (that refers more to Starship Troopers, which is more of an action score than Conan, but I still wouldn't classify it as one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I remember getting slated here years ago for referring to STTMP as an action score!I was right to be! (slated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 The similarities between Conan and Total Recall are overstated.Yes one of the themes is similar, but the two scores are totally different entities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I think Total Recall's boring. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Ass! Fool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's in my top five Goldsmith. The movie is a bit of a nostalgic favourite tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's pure kenetic energy mixed with adrenaline and testosterone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 And End of a Dream is Goldsmith's own Hyperspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's the only Goldsmith score I ever traded back to the CD store. But the Poledouris homage track was worth keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I say yes. Although there are some pieces by Williams that gives him a bit more edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 I recall a YouTube video showing the 'Clever Girl' sequence with everything stripped from the soundtrack but the music -- anyone have a link or a copy? Really drives home how masterful Goldsmith's treatment of the scene is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And End of a Dream is Goldsmith's own Hyperspace.yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It's pure kenetic energy mixed with adrenaline and testosterone!And directed by a dutch dude with a clear vision!As for the poll I would have to say YESMany of Jerry's 80s and 90s scores are among the most exciting ever written. Rambo III, Total Recall, The Mummy, the Star Trek scores (select cues), King Solomon's Mines, and much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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