Loert 2,511 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yep, it's from "The Brannigan". A.k.a the single greatest cue in cinematic history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 12/03/2016 at 11:44 PM, loert423 said: Well, they played a condensed version of Adventures of Mutt in the interval (just before Act 2 was to begin). Personally I thought that a bit odd, but...there it was! Certainly odd, and I still don't think much of the cue. Should have done Irina's Theme instead. On 13/03/2016 at 10:26 AM, crocodile said: Call me crazy but I think I heard a recording of a choir somewhere in there. Unless it was just playing in my head. Maybe they had a 21 Century Chorus tracks with them? Could they use the original film version? I mean, was it recorded separately? There was definitely something choirish bleeding through during Map Room, though it was barely audible. On 13/03/2016 at 11:42 AM, ciarlese said: I am not able to understand how people can spend any amount of money for such an experience and than feel the right to annoy who is seating next to them or chose to live the experience in a totally ruined way. It's really annoying. It's a concert, first of all. People pay not unsignificant amounts of money to see the film in a concert hall with an orchestra performing the music live. I have to assume that barely anyone going to such an event does so without some kind of respect for the music. They even have an announcement before the beginning and during the intermission that people should stay during the credits and enjoy the music. And what happens as soon as the first note of the end credits sounds? The whole hall starts applauding, and tons of people leave right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Seriously? Ive been to two of these live to screen concerts here and people stay all the way though the credits. Its a concert, not a film showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Many stayed, but a considerable number ran out right away. Anyway, the 21st Century Orchestra was nothing short of heroic. And Airplane Fight deserves just as much praise as Desert Chase. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,016 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Just a few people left during the end credits on Saturday. And I was surprised brcause it was quite unusual. Anyway, can't wait to see it again in May. Although I expect the performance to be weaker. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 What's in May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,016 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I wrote a post for Film On Wax about the Raiders concert, if you fancy reading it. Karol Incanus and Marian Schedenig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Nice video from Boston Pops' Facebook page: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Oh snap! This is tonight? And tomorrow? Maybe we can go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 You don't know how lucky you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 If not we'll probably go when they do it in Tanglewood in August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I'm actually seeing this in Dublin in about 20 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I'm seeing it tonight in Boston! I'll let you guys know if there are any performance oddities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I'll be at the Barcelona show on June 19 http://filmconcertslive.com/movies/raiders-of-the-lost-ark/ crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 An intermission in a two hour film is an oddity! No no choir or synth in the map room ? My seat got upgraded for free though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 No choir at all, or no live choir and pre-recorded choir came through the speakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 No choir at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I loved it. The Boston Pops were every bit the equal of the often deified LSO, with the exception of just a single moment. When Indy climbs on top of the German submarine, the entrance of the trumpets playing the Raiders March sounded distant and dull, making the cue not quite as euphoric as it could have been. Ah well. The music came across prominently in the mix - probably louder than the theatrical mix - but never overwhelmed the dialogue and effects. I'm pretty sure I heard a recorded choir during "Map Room," but it's possible my brain was just filling in the blanks. I don't remember at all whether there was a recorded choir in the other cues. That new bit of music Williams wrote for the first confrontation with Belloq was not included. Everything was reproduced faithfully, although I do wish we could have gotten at least a full performance of the end credits without microedits. Ricard and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Henry Buck said: That new bit of music Williams wrote for the first confrontation with Belloq was not included. What is that? Can it be found online anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 On 6/3/2016 at 2:44 PM, Bilbo Skywalker said: An intermission in a two hour film is an oddity! Pretty sure all Film Concerts Live productions (Raiders is one of those) contain an intermission. Don't know about other live-to-projection concerts. Also, I'll be going to see a performance of this by the Chicago Symphony in early July. It will be my second time seeing this type of concert, after Home Alone in December, which was terrific, although I was sitting in the very last row of the gallery (I got the tickets last minute). This time I'll be near the front of the gallery. On 6/3/2016 at 10:50 AM, TownerFan said: Nice video from Boston Pops' Facebook page: Thanks for posting, this is super interesting! When I went to see Home Alone live to picture in December in Chicago, I brought binoculars and would often focus in on the conductor (Richard Kaufman) and his screen. But I didn't always understand what I was seeing; this video really helped with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I've seen the Lord of the Rings films live and they had intermissions but they're much longer films. Raiders isn't as heavily scored as Lord of the Rings either. There's a fair few long unscored scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 The audiences for Symphony Hall need an intermission in a 2+ hour concert. There's alcohol served, and the patrons are mostly old, so you can imagine. I would think the situation is similar with the other orchestras that have played Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 04/06/2016 at 1:42 AM, Henry Buck said: The audiences for Symphony Hall need an intermission in a 2+ hour concert. There's alcohol served, and the patrons are mostly old, so you can imagine. I would think the situation is similar with the other orchestras that have played Raiders. Yes, the intermission is definitely part of the Live to Projection format, no matter if the movie is long or short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Those poor players need a break, people need to goto the loo. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I've never been to a concert that involves an orchestra playing that didn't have an intermission. I sadly didn't end up going to see Raiders in Boston this weekend. Hopefully we can go to Tanglewood in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC4L 87 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Add May 19-20 at the Southern Alberta Jubilee in Calgary to the list of dates. http://calgaryphil.com/event/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-original-film-with-orchestra/2017-05-19/ After the Hollywood Bowl in Sept I'm most excited for this. Already making ticket purchase plans. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Rehearsal for the show I'm attending tonight in Barcelona Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 How was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I'll be attending the July 2nd performance by the Houston Symphony with some friends and family. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 14 hours ago, mattmane said: I'll be attending the July 2nd performance by the Houston Symphony with some friends and family. Can't wait! I, Daniel Seamus Cunningham, shall also be in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Who are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 39 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Who are you? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20100-the-official-username-change-thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Who are you? He's Daniel Seamus Cunningham, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Alan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I'll be seeing/hearing Raiders live to projection this afternoon, performed by the Chicago Symphony. Really excited -- with this concert and The BFG's release, this is a quintessential Williams weekend -- although I am bracing for all the people who annoyingly cheer wildly while the music is still playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 People who do that need to be shot! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 That wasn't played in Lucerne... or maybe it's so short that it slipped away from my ears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, TownerFan said: That wasn't played in Lucerne... or maybe it's so short that it slipped away from my ears! I'm wondering if you would know the answer to a question that's been bugging me for a while: How is the sound mix for a film in a live to projection concert constructed? I assume it's not as simple as just removing the music, because the dialogue and effects wouldn't be clean, right? Do they go back to the original dialogue and effects elements and reconstruct the mix? That seems like it would be a nearly impossible task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I saw this yesterday in Chicago. It was a terrific experience, to say the least. There were some disappointing moments performance wise (the woodwinds seemed to be having some trouble and were quiet in parts of "Flight From Peru," for instance) but most spots were absolutely nailed by the orchestra. I loved hearing "Adventures of Mutt" before the second act started -- I'd forgotten that was going to happen until midway through the performance when I suddenly remembered. The new Raiders March first half coda Williams wrote based on "Flight from Peru" was great, although unfortunately the transition from the Well of Souls digging music to that coda was rather jarring. At Home Alone in December I had gotten to hear "Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas" from Home Alone 2 post-credits, which was marvelous, so I was hoping we might get an encore for Raiders, but it was over after the credits. I had chills during the awesome "Flight from Peru," "The German Sub/To the Nazi Hideout," "The Map Room: Dawn," and "The Miracle of the Ark." But the whole thing was great. Apparently the CSO will be doing E.T. in November -- hopefully I can go to that. Just the thought of "Adventure on Earth" live to picture: Oh, and there was no choir nor was there any synth choir. It would have been nice to have, but I didn't really mind -- it was great anyway. So it seems that there was just no choral score provided as part of the Film Concerts Live Raiders package, given that no JWFanners who have attended in any city have heard synth or real choir. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Will said: I'm wondering if you would know the answer to a question that's been bugging me for a while: How is the sound mix for a film in a live to projection concert constructed? I assume it's not as simple as just removing the music, because the dialogue and effects wouldn't be clean, right? Do they go back to the original dialogue and effects elements and reconstruct the mix? That seems like it would be a nearly impossible task. I assume there was at least one point in post-production where the dialogue and effects track was finished and the music was layered on top of that. For any subsequent re-releases I believe the music was remastered from the original master tapes, while the D&FX track must have been remastered and expanded to a 5.1 mix separately. @thx99, any insights you could share here? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Will said: I'm wondering if you would know the answer to a question that's been bugging me for a while: How is the sound mix for a film in a live to projection concert constructed? I assume it's not as simple as just removing the music, because the dialogue and effects wouldn't be clean, right? Do they go back to the original dialogue and effects elements and reconstruct the mix? That seems like it would be a nearly impossible task. The studios that make the film keep the original dialogue, sound effects, and music tracks in their archives, so its easy enough to create a new mix that doesn't have the music track in it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 A little story about last Saturday's concert I forgot to mention: There was this little kid sitting next to me during the performance. And during the intermission, I heard his mother talking to someone about her son: "He's a huge John Williams fan, so when we were coming here for the weekend we knew we had to go to this." It was kind of amusing when I later heard his mother trying to teach him about various parts of the orchestra, and staffs and other basic sheet music concepts. Anyway, don't be too surprised if you get a new young member here in a few years. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Omen II 1,235 Posted July 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2016 Here is a very good quality clip of the opening dozen minutes or so of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra's live to picture performance of Raiders of the Lost Ark, conducted by Richard Kaufman. Was this the one that you attended, Will? Cerebral Cortex, Will, Disco Stu and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 That is just fantastic. I wish I could have made it to the performance a few hours away from me last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 9 hours ago, Omen II said: Here is a very good quality clip of the opening dozen minutes or so of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra's live to picture performance of Raiders of the Lost Ark, conducted by Richard Kaufman. Was this the one that you attended, Will? Indeed I did attend this exact performance - this video brings back happy memories. I had chills all over during "Flight from Peru." Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Marcy and I are at Tanglewood now! How starts in about an hour and a half. Can't wait! Anybody else from the board here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 So how was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted August 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2016 It was great! The Pops really performed with gusto throughout. The sound mix heavily favored the music at all times, which meant that occasionally you couldn't hear the dialogue in the middle of a loud action scene well, though that was OK with me since I know the film so well. Karen Allen came out before the film started and spoke a little but about filming it in the summer of '80. She pretty much just said they filmed in Hawaii, London, Tunisia and DC and didn't really have any specific stories ready. She also spoke very fondly of Spielberg and Williams, and his score. Keith Lockhart didn't speak at all There was no extra music for the Indy/Belloq scene, which was a bummer. Also, I never noticed before / had forgotten that in addition to Miracle of the Ark being edited in the film, two other cues (Escape from Peru and... Marion's Theme I think) are edited; the live performance did a good cover of this by making the shortened cue still be very musical; I doubt anyone would suspect they were altered unless they were very familiar with the full cues. For the scene in the well of souls where they break the wall with the statue to escape, they replicated the final film edit. Meaning, they started with the revised insert, then performed the Indy theme tracked in from the airplane fight cue (but it sounded reorchestarted perhaps, so not exactly identical like in the film), then the rest of the original cue. It actually worked very well! There was no choir present, and they didn't have the score's choir come from the film's audio mix (I doubt isolated sessions of that were even vaulted), which meant the three cues with choir in them were presented without it. The Map Room: Dawn worked surprisingly well without it, though the early cue that introduces the ask theme really needs it for full affect. The Miracle of the Ark I was so absorbed in everything I didn't really notice a major difference by not having it. There was one cue I thought I noticed a cool and eery synth voice effect but now I don't remember where. The intermission was handled kind of oddly I thought. It was right at the end of Reunion and The Dig Begins. As soon as Indy's shovel went into the dirt, the film did a hard fade to black, and the orchestra, instead of ending the original cue in full, played a kind of weird rewrite that tried to transition the cue into a short statement of the Indy theme to wrap up the first half. I'd have to hear it again, but my initial impression was that it was kinda awkward. After intermission, when Lockhart came back out, he led the orchestra through a shortened (maybe 1 1/2 minute or so) run through of Mutt's Theme with the screen off. The audience didn't seem to really get what was going on, so mostly talked during it. After that there was applause, and then the movie resumed with that iconic sunset silhouette digging shot. Despite a note in the program asking people not to leave during the end credits because the orchestra would still be playing, some people started leaving before The Miracle of The Ark, and many left throughout the end credits. I am pretty sure when I saw Fellowship and TTT in Radio City Music Hall, no one left until the concert was well and over! Well, there was plenty left to give a long standing o to the conductor and orchestra, for a very well run and entertaining evening outside. The weather was quite nice; it was somewhat odd feeling a breeze while watching a movie (I didn't grow up going to the drive in) but the breeze helped with the humidity. Oh, I almost forgot the end credits were shortened like the film edit. I'm not positive if it was shortened in all the same places as the film cut, but it's actually sounded fine really. Though I don't really know why they wouldn't just perform the full six minute condition, and just show the orchestra on the big screen once the film credits were done. Oh well. Already looking forward to the next Live to Projection concert; these are really fun! Will, Ricard and The Psycho Pianist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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