crumbs 14,319 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 MM sounds really defeated and dejected in that post. I reckon Williams has cracked the shits over Botanicus E.T. Adventure and informed his camp to sever all ties with LLL for perpetuity. Without any doubt, these are the last two Williams releases for years. Enjoy it folks, we're fucked! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, BloodBoal said: HA! Jinx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I guess MM meant that it's not likely that we'll get any big profile JW release in a short space of time between them, like E.T. and CE3K, which is indeed very atypical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Reading between the lines, it's patently obvious that Williams will order his lawyers to lodge an injunction against LLL, to prevent the CE3K expansion from being released. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, crumbs said: MM sounds really defeated and dejected in that post. I reckon Williams has cracked the shits over Botanicus E.T. Adventure and informed his camp to sever all ties with LLL for perpetuity. Without any doubt, these are the last two Williams releases for years. Enjoy it folks, we're fucked! I can't enjoy ET and CE3K, now I know we're fucked!!! DAMMIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 We should boycott LLL. They deserve to be punished for ruining any chance of new Williams expansions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: We should boycott LLL. They deserve to be punished for ruining any chance of new Williams expansions. I doubt if I'll have the heart to listen to one of their releases ever again. I just wish I hadn't already listened to so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: It's all because of the Jurassic Park Teethgate Scandal! Apparently Williams' personal copy was missing teeth and he misinterpreted it as a passive aggressive dig at his recent choice of film projects. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 The reason E.T. is only shipping on sept.26 is because JW vetoed the release at the last hour, ordered that the 20th anniversary release to be sent instead as CD1, with CD2 been the OST and highlights from various concerts, and Laurent Bouzereau will step in from now and handle every JW, also working with Disney to handle SW and Concord Records to handle Indy, which had a contract renew for another 15 years. Chewy and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, crumbs said: Apparently Williams' personal copy was missing teeth and he misinterpreted it as a passive aggressive dig at his recent choice of film projects. Or maybe it was meant to be interpreted in a different way... crumbs and phbart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Even the emoticon icon is mocking Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, phbart said: I guess MM meant that it's not likely that we'll get any big profile JW release in a short space of time between them, like E.T. and CE3K, which is indeed very atypical. But Far and Away isn't really high-profile, right? Why don't people like Laurent Thingy her? I mostly don't like him because of the fact that the sound of hit Back to the Future DVDs really isn't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 He should stick to DVD releases and not soundtrack releases. Though credit to him for getting us the Indy releases in the first place, so there's that. I'm happier to have a flawed expansion than no expansion at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: But Far and Away isn't really high-profile, right? Why don't people like Laurent Thingy her? I mostly don't like him because of the fact that the sound of hit Back to the Future DVDs really isn't good. Far and Away is far and away from being high profile. Bouzereau's releases were ok for its time, but are not suitable anymore. Unlike past MM and Nick Redman releases, which still has high regards even decades later. We only have The Lost World because MM wisely convinced the JW camp that we already have a recent JP expansion and we need a justifiable reason the dig into JP again. Do you think Bouzereau would be able to pull such a thing? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Expand expand expand... there's full place on my shelves and on my website for new releases ;-) bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Why don't people like Laurent Thingy her? Um, I have nothing against the man personally. It is simply that the Williams expansions he did in the 90s and 00s do not follow the same top quality standards that Mike Matessino does nowadays. Bouzereau's versions of Jaws, CE3K, Raiders, ET, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade are simply inferior to the definitive editions that Mike has now done for Jaws, CE3K, and ET and will hopefully someday do for the Indiana Jones scores as well. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I've always been quite underwhelmed by his Spielberg DVD releases. Now some of that is down to Spielberg I guess (like how he won't do commentary tracks ever) but the documentaries Bouzereau produces always feel quite surface-level and boring. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Bouzereau's versions of Jaws, CE3K, Raiders, ET, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade are simply inferior to the definitive editions that Mike has now done for Jaws, CE3K, and ET and will hopefully someday do for the Indiana Jones scores as well. Oh boy, here we go again... Amer and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 His Indiana Jones doco was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 It was alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 The only thing I can deduce from MM's post is that there will hardly ever be a chance to celebrate those two specific score's birthdays like that. There's no better way to celebrate a score's anniversary with an expansions! That's all MM said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Actually what he's saying is, "Be happy with these amazing releases you're already getting ya ungrateful jerks!" crumbs and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Actually what he's saying is, "Be happy with these amazing releases you're already getting ya ungrateful jerks!" Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Can You please consider releasing... Done and done They have considered them, and now they're done. They might have simply decided not to do them. We should ask them to reconsider. 1 hour ago, Jay said: Bouzereau's versions of Jaws, CE3K, Raiders, ET, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade are simply inferior to the definitive editions that Mike has now done CE3K was a top notch release for the time it was released though, and it's still very good even by today's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Get that nuance outta here, Marian. Not allowed on JWFan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 A flagrant insult to all filmscore fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Marian, I did not say Bouzereau's versions were bad! Just inferior to Mike's. It's an important distinction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jay said: Marian, I did not say Bouzereau's versions were bad! Just inferior to Mike's. It's an important distinction! I didn't say you did. But at least some of his releases are generally considered to be half-arsed, and to an extent at least that seems right, regardless of whether it's Bozereau's fault or not. I just find it important to point out that CE3K definitely does not belong in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 The only one of those three that excite me is Far & Away, which is one of Williams' best of the 90s. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I didn't say you did. But at least some of his releases are generally considered to be half-arsed, and to an extent at least that seems right, regardless of whether it's Bozereau's fault or not. I just find it important to point out that CE3K definitely does not belong in that category. It's probably the least problematic of his Williams expansions yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Like I said thousand of times before regarding the sound quality, the 1998 CD is superb. I'm really curious how MM will top that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, phbart said: Like I said thousand of times before regarding the sound quality, the 1998 CD is superb. I'm really curious how MM will top that. By making it brighter and louder? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,119 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 MM had said that CE3K was less of a mess in the E.T. write up post I mentioned in the other thread. In another pvt facebook page discussion MM has said about his focus on the new CE3K while discussing E.T. : MM: Strictly in terms of content, most of the music has been released in forms fine for casual purposes. In the case of E.T. the material was spread over multiple releases in varying quality and I'd go so far as to say most of the presentation on previous releases was inaccurate, which was something I didn't expect to find. So it's about the presentation and quality, with all of the music captured in super hi-resolution (not the case with releases from 15-20 years ago) and meticulously worked with & comprehensively presented. Close Encounters, being so important to the entire concept of film scoring, certainly deserves to be preserved in this way and explored further, and the new release will have that focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 10 hours ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: By making it brighter and louder? Dunno what that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, phbart said: Dunno what that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Oh, got it. I believe this subject has caused a lot of arguments (heated ones, sometimes), but if applied carefully, it can be benefitial. I, for one, when I'm at the gym or running outside, or in the bus, in the plane and so on, I really prefer to listen to the music instead of the environmental noise. Take for instance Jaws... the 2000 release is practically impossible to listen with the kind of outside noises I mentioned. Now, with the Intrada release, it's a whole different thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Yeah, they really took the easy way out. The Matessino released Jaws sounds great! Very meaty and growly. phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I don't listen to music at all when outside or commuting. It's all done in my entertainment room with a hi-fi set-up, so natually I demand music to be mastered with wide dynamic range so I can replicate how it might have sounded live or at least as closely as it might have sounded in the mixing booth as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 At the gym not THAT much, but I love to listen to music while running outside. You should try listen to Jaws 2 OST while running. Not even the fastest kenyan runner will beat you. Jokes apart, can a music that has wide dinamyc range be loud as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Yes. In the parts that are supposed to be loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 The loud bits are loud and the quiet bits are quiet. Essentially, the audio oscillates between loud and quiet, which makes it more natural, engaging and interesting to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 And more relatable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 But aren't the MM releases this way? They do sound like that to me, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalfreakNYC 59 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I'd take Sabrina. Don't care about the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Just now, phbart said: But aren't the MM releases this way? They do sound like that to me, at least. For the most part, yes. But I've found ID4 an example where the OST was more dynamic than the expanded, and Home Alone 2 had more punch than the later versions (did MM work on those?), and the Jaws 2 OST from Varese sounds better than the Intrada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Ultimately I prefer the sound that Horner achieved with his CDs from the 90s. The dynamic range is the greatest I've ever experienced. The softer parts have a tendency to be a bit overly soft and you really want to crank it up. But then it suddenly gets loud and you're flying across the room like Martin McFly. While this is obviously problematic, I've found it produces some of the most impressive dynamics in any of these score recordings. I like to reference the brass in Hard to Starboard, or "blasts of things" as Horner might describe it. You can can distinctly hear the differences in the playing as they get louder. I feel like when this sort of thing happens in scores by other composers, it tends to have a flatter, less interesting sound, especially when the mixers fuck with it. Horner's music, like his interviews, has an ASMR quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 The Titanic recording is underrated. It does sound very dry. But ethereal in a way Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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