Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I didn't get into slashers as much until around high school. Until then, I preferred non-human killers (Freddy Krueger was sort of the exception). Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,260 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: the conveyor belt That cue from AotC is so underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: That cue from AotC is so underwhelming. I'm so confused! Oh I'm scrap... it's a NIGHTMARRRRE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That cue from AotC is so underwhelming. This is an objectively wrong statement, and the truth is held by a majority of the fans. Arpy, Jurassic Shark, Mattris and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,049 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Mattris said: The sequel trilogy is without direction. Newsflash: Star Wars as a series was always without direction. In 1977, George Lucas had no concept of what Empire Strikes Back turned out to be; If he had an idea of what Return of the Jedi was going to be in 1980, it was in mere broadstrokes: like having a confrontation with the emperor, having Luke's sister present herself, etcetra. The same is true of his prequels in 1983. The prequel trilogy itself is perhaps the one to be most fully drawn in the writer/director's mind from the outset, but again only in broad strokes. In terms of realizing those concept, too, George Lucas isn't credited as director nor screenwriter on Empire Strikes Back, and he merely co-wrote and produced Return of the Jedi. I will say, however, 1 hour ago, Mattris said: Luke succeed in turning his father back to the Light Side... who, because of the love for his son - not pity - single-handedly defeated the Emperor. The Skywalkers won. What a superb ending to the trilogy. That's correct, and that's why the entire concept of Episodes VII to IX is inherently flawed, regardless of their execution: the story of Star Wars has been told and came to its conclusion. However, when I'm looking at the Disney films as individual works of cinema? Its nothing too bad, especially the core films (the sequel trilogy) SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Didn't George Lucas direct bits and bobs of RotJ himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Yeah, the Ewok shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Didn't George Lucas direct tits and boobs of RotJ himself? Sure did! Can't blame him though. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Copped a feel, didn't he? #metoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,049 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Didn't George Lucas direct bits and bobs of RotJ himself? If he did, than that would be the equivalent of a glorified second-unit director. Point is, you can't call Return of the Jedi "a George Lucas film", which is to say nothing of Empire Strikes Back. Stylistically, that film is probably more removed from the original Star Wars than The Last Jedi is from The Force Awakens. It just looks and feels completely different. Now, I can accept that a lack of stylistic uniformity can read to some (probably to our very own @Mattris, as well) as a continuity issue. But its disingenuous to say that the sequel trilogy is outright bad because they're "winging it" plot-wise from film to film, or because it isn't stylistically uniform, pretending that the original sextet was either of these two things, which it clearly was not. Really, that's how almost all Hollywood film trilogies turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Star Wars and Empire feel more like Gary Kurtz films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Point is, you can't call Return of the Jedi "a George Lucas film", which is to say nothing of Empire Strikes Back. Stylistically, that film is probably more removed from the original Star Wars than The Last Jedi is from The Force Awakens. It just looks and feels completely different. But when I watch ROTJ, which I will rarely do now, all I see is George Lucas. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, Chen G. said: .. its disingenuous to say that the sequel trilogy is outright bad because they're "winging it" plot-wise from film to film, or because it isn't stylistically uniform, pretending that the original sextet was either of these two things, which it clearly was not. I did not say that. TLJ is bad for the dozens and dozens of specific issues I listed... few of which anyone has explained are unfounded. The sequel trilogy rests on the shoulders of Episode 9. 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: But when I watch ROTJ, which I will rarely do now, all I see is George Lucas. When I watch ROTJ, all I see (and hear) is awesomeness! Stefancos, will you admit that I corrected you regarding Luke in the OT: In TESB, Luke had minimal training and wasn't a Jedi yet. He was defeated by Vader - not the Dark Side itself. In ROTJ, Luke was a more experienced Jedi trainee who tapped into his anger to defeat Darth Vader, who let's be honest, could have killed Luke at any time by using the Force to literally crush him. But Luke sensed the good in him and knew that he stood a chance to save his father. He succeeded and earned the rank of Jedi Knight. Vader (Anakin Skywalker) then defeated the Emperor, who again, was a wielder of the Dark Side - not the Dark Side itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Exactly! Luke, as a Jedi did not have the strength to face the defeat the Dark Side. He only managed to turn his father. He must have realized he wouldnt be strong enough to defeat Kylo Ren when he sensed the Dark Side in him, and in a moment of weakness tried to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,049 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, Mattris said: The sequel trilogy rests on the shoulders of Episode 9. That's true enough. But than, that's always true for the third installment of a trilogy: its the climax of the story, and every story is defined by the way it ends. 47 minutes ago, Mattris said: When I watch ROTJ, all I see (and hear) is awesomeness! A....never mind. Suffice to say, I'm not a fan of The Last Jedi, but its probably the better film out of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,883 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattris said: When I watch ROTJ, all I see (and hear) is awesomeness! Yeah...no. The only thing ROTJ has going for it is the Luke/Vader/Emperor stuff and the score. That, and nostalgia. It's part of the OT and features beloved characters, but otherwise I think TFA, Rogue One and Solo are better movies. I think in terms of pure filmmaking even TLJ (which I don't like) is better. And even with its flaws ROTS is a more satisfying film. I'll concede that ROTJ, like most films, is better than Episodes I & II. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Suffice to say, I'm not a fan of The Last Jedi, but its probably the better film out of the two. It's the more ambitious of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,049 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: The only thing ROTJ has going for it is the Luke/Vader/Emperor stuff and the score. That, and nostalgia. It's part of the OT and features beloved characters, but otherwise I think TFA, Rogue One and Solo are better movies. I think in terms of pure filmmaking even TLJ (which I don't like) is better. And even with its flaws ROTS is a more satisfying film. I'll concede that ROTJ, like most films, is better than Episodes I & II. This. I didn't see Return of the Jedi too many times, so I'd have to rewatch it to really compare to Revenge of the Sith or Rogue One, but it seems about right. And yes, its better than The Phantom Menace overall, but I would say - the action setpieces in the latter are better, which in the action-adventure genre must count for something. Really, the only part of Return of the Jedi that really, really works, is the climax of the Luke and Vader storyline: just the throwing down of the emperor, the removal of the mask and the pyre. That's it, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Exactly! Luke, as a Jedi did not have the strength to face the defeat the Dark Side. He only managed to turn his father. He must have realized he wouldnt be strong enough to defeat Kylo Ren when he sensed the Dark Side in him, and in a moment of weakness tried to kill him. Luke's mind/heart probe foretold the awful things (he felt) that Ben would be responsible for. But it seems his "moment of weakness" ("pure instinct", as he put it) was a self-fulfilling prophecy, as Luke's actions that night caused Ben to snap... and become Kylo Ren, apprentice to Snoke. Though, obviously Luke didn't try to kill him. 'Defeating the Dark Side' is not something that has been shown possible in all of Star Wars... although Clone Wars expanded the lore with the realm of Mortis, the fulcrum of the entire galaxy and the Force. This mysterious world was home to a trio of beings that were able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy could: the son and daughter provided balance to the Force, a balance maintained and channeled through their Father. Anakin, Obi-wan, and Asohka (Anakin's apprentice) went there and... things went down (no spoilers). Check out the episode or read the stuff from the official Star Wars website (linked above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Mattris said: Luke's mind/heart probe foretold the awful things (he felt) that Kylo would be responsible for. But it seems his "moment of weakness" ("pure instinct", as he put it) was a self-fulfilling prophecy, as Luke's actions that night caused Ben to snap... and become Kylo Ren, apprentice to Snoke. Though, obviously Luke didn't try to kill him. See! You're starting to get it! Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,624 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I didn't even think about it as the overplayed archetypical self-fulfilling prophecy until now. It's there at its core, but goes down in seconds instead of dragging it out for decades as usual, and creates the villain instead of the hero. Thanks, Mattriss, that was actually a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I already got that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 @Mattris, if you haven't even read any of the other threads regarding the movie I don't see why I should have to put in so much effort to tell someone so disinterested why I liked it. I've told you enough. I loved the characters, the action, the humor, and the surprise at the end. I've read what you don't like about it and I told you I disagree. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Matriss spends all his time here talking about something he hates. Internet conversation in the Trump era! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,049 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Demodex said: I loved the characters, the action, the humor You did? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Luke sucking the teat was great! Its very Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's better than everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Ok, it certainly could have done without the milking scene. It's not a flawless film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's part of the demythification of Luke in the early part of the film. Its vital. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,624 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's Luke trying to disgust Rey away, look at his face. We are also disgusted as the audience, and getting disillusioned alongside her. I count this in the same category as Rey's stilted delivery of "we need you because Kylo Ren is strong with the Dark Side of the Force" and Willie's screaming being annoying. They're disgusing/bad/annoying because they're supposed to be that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,049 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It's part of the demythification of Luke in the early part of the film. Its part of the demythification of Star Wars, in general. But too often the humor in the film is pushing the bounderies, I find. This may be overstating the point, but it is a valid point nonetheless: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Childish humour is incredibly Lucasfilm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 What was wrong with the funny bits in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It was better than most of the attempts at humor in the prequels. Those movies were just unintentionally funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 How could they be unintentionally funny if they were intended to be funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,624 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Ask Tommy Wiseau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Is he that dude with the long hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,260 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 No, that's Qui-Gon Jin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Well who's the dude with the metal face? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Mattris said: I don't give a flying flip about a director "fulfilling an artistic vision". I just want a great Star Wars movie! You can't have the second without the first. (You can have the first without the second, though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Luke sucking the teat was great! Its very Lucas. Frankly I don't think Lucas would've had the cojones. Return of the Jedi was my favorite as a kid because I watched a given Star Wars movie based on its climate and color palette, and I loved the sunniness and earthiness of Return of the Jedi. But I also loved Attack of the Clones because of the rain, so it wasn't the best barometer of quality. I cannot watch Return of the Jedi as an adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Return of the Jedi is a fine film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The Prequels are everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 When's the last time all of us have watched the originals? I think, in full, it's been about six years for me. I don't know the next time I'll ever watch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's been awhile for me. I've been watching TFA and TLJ instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,788 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Another thread title change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: That cue from AotC is so underwhelming. It's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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